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Relationship with parents is a mess...

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M4MMY · 06/11/2018 12:15

We were always close and I was very much a home bird. However, when I got married, because XH could only find work in a specific area of the UK, miles from "home", we had to live quite a distance apart and saw each other approximately once a fortnight. This changed to weekly after I had my DT.

When my DT were a few months old, I fell pregnant again. And then I found out (while in hospital on a drip thanks to severe morning sickness) that "D"H had been having an affair.

My parents were brilliant. No doubt about that. I was discharged from hospital into their care and they got me through the remainder of my pregnancy, looking after me, DT, helping me find a house to rent, etc. When DC3 was born, they continued to pitch in and we saw them daily. They also minded the DC when I returned to work part-time.

Fast-forward. DC are all now of school age with friends, after school activities and what can only be described as hectic social lives. I still work part-time while the kids are in school. But my relationship with my parents seems almost broken beyond repair.

My parents think that I used them when I needed them. They think they are now shut out/excluded. It's been getting worse and worse for years (DC are now 8 and 7) and I don't know how to fix it.

Example; DT unwell. DC3's best friend passes our front door en route to school. I ask her mum (my good friend) if DC3 can walk to school with them to save hauling DT out of bed first thing in the morning. Friend only too happy to oblige, DC3 and her friend skip off giggling and holding hands. Great. I later tell DM and am told I should have let her and DF know. They would have driven 6 miles to collect DC3 and take her to school for me. Why am I so determined to exclude them?

There are many, many examples and perhaps I should be more thoughtful but to me, I handled things the sensible way. There's nothing to stop DP coming over, being here all day if they want and I told them that. But they "know when they're not wanted".

I could let them help round the clock. I couldn't cope with that. I ended up on meds and seeing a counsellor because I just deal with the constant smothering. They phrase it like; "if you let us help, it'll be much better". I hear; "if we do it for you, it'll be much better because you're nowhere near good enough on your own". Maybe that's my illness/paranoia? That's what I'm told when I try and explain how I feel to them. But really, I'm just sick to death of having everything questioned and criticised.

This is where I feel like SUCH a bitch... DF has just been diagnosed with cancer. It's curable but it is still cancer and there's a long road ahead, treatment-wise. I'm being told that the thing that keeps him/them going is having a sense of purpose, knowing that they're wanted. That being excluded is harder to come to terms with than the cancer diagnosis.

I've told them over and over and OVER (for years now) that they ARE wanted. That they're welcome any time. I don't want to go back to the days of having no ptivacy/no life of my own but it seems like because we had that weird year or so where we were together SO much, boundaries have now been completely blurred and it's like I'm a child again. I tried explaining that I want them to treat me like they would anyone else - a friend, for example. Come in, spend time with us. Don't question when I last hoovered. Or if I've eaten - what I've eaten. Or have I got a lot of ironing piled up again? I've a massive ironing pile. Always. I don't care. I pick stuff out of it at night when the kids go to bed and in the morning, they have their nice pile of fresh clothes to put on and the sky doesn't fall in. It feels like they seek out and highlight my shortcomings. But I know they're actually just trying to seek out ways to help. I don't want help. Not that level of help anyway. I just want them here, playing with the kids, enjoying them, having a laugh and a bit of fun. Like normal grandparents. Meanwhile, I'll deal with the running of my own life.

But if I do that, it's rejection. Worse than a cancer diagnosis. How do I win? I can't, can I? Am I the prize bitch that they seem to think I am?

Please don't be too hard on me - I'm sick like you wouldn't believe over all of this. I just don't know any more if they're right - am I mentally ill? Is it normal to have your mum come over and change your (already clean!!) bedding for you when you're a 36yr old mother of 3? Is she just doing a nice, normal thing? Or am I justified in thinking it's just too much? What about DF's cancer? He's going through the hardest of times right now. And am I really making him feel worse? Or is it what I think; that they just won't listen and understand?

I'm sorry this is so long...

OP posts:
M4MMY · 06/11/2018 12:20
  • I just couldn't deal with the constant smothering
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AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/11/2018 12:28

Its not you, its them. They are the ones at fault here and they are controlling your lives still.

I would read "If you had controlling parents" by Dr Dan Neuharth as a starting point (particularly that book) along with Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. Also consider posting too on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these Relationships pages.

According to Neuharth, there is a three part process of recovering from a controlling family: Naming the Problem, Understanding the Problem, and Solving the Problem.

It’s sometimes hard to know you were in a controlling family without seeing how healthy parenting looks compared to controlling parenting. However, not all controlling families are the same. They take a few different forms and the complex nature of the control makes it very difficult to disentangle yourself from the mess. Many adults in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond are still struggling with current issues that can be traced to controlling families.
Neuharth’s book is a book full of clear tables and descriptions and real-life examples to help name and understand the problem. He has delineated 8 styles of controlling parenting and most controlling parents fall into one or more categories (I give a very brief explanation of them).

Smothering – infantilizing their children

Depriving – withholding love and protection

Perfectionist – fixating on appearances, order, power, prestige

Cultlike -not just religious cults, but even military families and those with parents with high profiles in corporations

Chaotic – mercurial moods; acceptance and love one day, rejection the next

Using – self-centered, identifying their children’s successes as proof of the parents’ success, belittling their children

Abusing – verbal/emotional or physical/sexual abuse

Childlike – incapable, needy parents who can’t protect their children from abusive partners, often needing their children to take care of them.

I am sorry to read about your dad's cancer diagnosis but that will not change their underlying controlling and smothering natures here. This is who they are. Its their way or no way as far as they are concerned and the fact that you have tried to rebel against this is not at all surprising. They see you as incapable really. They've never listened to you or try to understand you at all; its really their way or no way as far as they are concerned.

No it is not normal to have your mother come over and change your already clean bedding when you are a 36 year old mother of three, did you really have to ask?. Its not help either from her because you have not asked for it; she simply saw it fit to come over and do that for you (well mainly her) whether or not it was actually warranted. Their actions are all about power and control; they want absolute over you and your children.

What are your own boundaries like with regards to them?. I would certainly start making myself far less available to them and there is really no fixing this at all. They have never apologised to you nor have accepted any responsibility for their actions either.

Lottapianos · 06/11/2018 12:34

'But really, I'm just sick to death of having everything questioned and criticised.'

I hear you. My parents are smotherers too, and have had real difficulty with us growing up, becoming adults and not needing them in the same way any more. It makes you want to scream. My situation is very different as we now live in different countries so I haven't had to deal with the physical invasion of my space for a long time, but the emotional smothering was still there. To cut a long story short, I had years of therapy and gradually withdrew. I'm in touch with them but not very often, and very much on my terms, and I tell them the bare minimum about my life. I'm starting a new job soon, and have been having driving lessons for a few weeks, and I have told them none of this because I'm afraid of the criticism and don't want to open myself to it all

So I hear you, and you're getting no criticism from me. It sounds like your parents can't see you as anything but an extension of them, and don't see you as a separate, independent, adult person. They were there for you when you went through a terrible time - that's what loving parents should do and you don't owe them for that. Your life is now back on track and you don't need to lean on them in that way anymore, and that's something to be celebrated, but instead they seem to see it as you abandoning them. You are actually questioning your own sanity because of your parents' behaviour. No, none of your mother's behaviour is normal. Their comments about 'we know when we're not wanted' are emotional blackmail and are extremely unfair. It sounds like you have been more than welcoming to them, and made it as clear as you can that you want them to come and visit and be part of your home and your family. They don't seem to want to hear it because it's not on their terms

'Or is it what I think; that they just won't listen and understand?'

It sounds like it OP, from what you have shared here. I'm sorry, I know how awful and hurtful it is to have parents like this. It definitely sounds like it's them, not you

M4MMY · 06/11/2018 12:57

Thank you both so much. I'm a bit of a mess right now but I promise I'll reply properly when I've gathered my thoughts a bit more.

I just struggle so much to get my head around it... They say that all they ever wanted, what their life was about was being the best parents they could be. And I KNOW that's true. They adore us. Would do anything for us. And want to just keep protecting us, loving us and looking after us. They thought (as did I) that I was happily married, XH had a good job so money wasn't a worry... Life looked set on paper. I guess they backed off and it all fell to bits... So it's probably even harder to let go second time around, especially now that there's 4 of us, not just me! The stakes are even higher. They don't have friends and they don't have hobbies... I feel if they did, that would help... I don't think any of this comes from a bad place... I don't think they want to control so much as just make sure life's as good as it can be for all of us. If they were bad people, this would all be so black and white. But they're just broken and that's what's so unbearable. I KNOW I could make it different. Make their lives better and happier. It wouldn't affect the kids because they'd be fine. But I don't think I can take the sacrifice to my own mental health. And that's where I feel so selfish. Like I say, my head's a mess just now, going round and round in circles. I love my parents very much and I sometimes wish I didn't. I hate to see them hurt.

Thank you again for your replies. Flowers

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Lottapianos · 06/11/2018 13:04

OP, it is not down to you to make your parents happy. They are independent adults in their own right. You say they have no friends and no hobbies - I wasn't remotely surprised to read that. That's a situation that only they can change. It is completely unfair for them to expect you and your children to cater to all of their emotional needs.

It sounds like you have been well trained all your life to put your parents' needs first. I know from experience how hard that is to overcome. The guilt can feel absolutely crippling. You say that you are concerned about being 'selfish'. There is nothing 'selfish' about setting boundaries for yourself, prioritising your mental health and wellbeing, and wanting to have a relationship with your parents in a way that works for you. That's an entirely healthy and understandable approach to take.

It sounds like you're clear about the boundaries that work for you, but you're having difficulty enforcing them because of your parents' guilt trips, emotional blackmail and plain old nastiness when they don't get what they want. Please listen to your gut feeling, that deep need that you have to protect yourself, and to assert yourself as a grown adult.

ColdAndSad · 06/11/2018 17:40

They say that all they ever wanted, what their life was about was being the best parents they could be. And I KNOW that's true. They adore us. Would do anything for us. And want to just keep protecting us, loving us and looking after us.

Except they won't stop criticising you when they visit you for things that are really none of their business, they won't listen to your perfectly reasonable boundaries, they blame you for things you haven't even done...

If they were brilliant parents who only wanted you to be happy they'd be thrilled that you've found your feet again, that you are living a nice life, and that you have a good support network of friends around you.

They are bullying and manipulating you and you deserve better.

RandomMess · 06/11/2018 17:46

You and the DC are their hobby...

Musti · 06/11/2018 17:53

My parents lecture me or try to help about getting my house more organised. I understand what they're saying but I don't want to dedicate any more time to it and it's up to me to live how I like (which is in a reasonably tidy and organised house, just not to their show home standards).

Could you compromise and get them to look after the kids a night a week and also get them to come and help clean or something a few times a week? A single working mum of three is a very busy person so if you have parents wanting to help, then May be let them?

LukeSkywalkerBoots · 06/11/2018 17:54

They’re smothering you Op.

It was great that they helped you when you needed it but that doesn’t mean they get to be overbearing all the time. You’re an adult yourself, you have your own family and want to do things your own way. NOBODY wants their parents picking holes in how they live their life or have their home. It sounds also very much like they’re manipulating you by emotional blackmail- accusing you of using them and telling you repeatedly they want to be needed. You’re an adult now and they’ve got to back off and let you live your own life as an adult without breathing down your neck.

You’re not in the wrong, they are.

Bluetrews25 · 06/11/2018 18:29

Smothering.
YOU are the parent now, OP, so they should ease off what they are doing. Most GPs would be only too pleased to be doing less for their adult DCs. Do they plan to continue until they are 99? They are massively overstepping the mark by doing anything you don't explicitly ask them to do (changing the bed, for example) Perhaps they need to get a volunteering job.....
Am I the only nasty, suspicious person wondering if the cancer diagnosis is genuine? Forgive me, but it's very convenient. Surely, if genuine, they would need to be doing less for you (so they have time for appointments and treatments), not more!

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