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help please - not ideal

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Justmusing · 29/10/2018 16:07

Where to begin?! this could be long but will try keep it brief as possible.
My partner and I have been together 16 years, we have 4 children - 15, 13, 6 and 3. Things have been less than perfect over the years, my partner basically a high functioning alcoholic and the past 18 months he was slowly spiralling out of control due to drink - being arrested getting into fights etc. He was a heroin addict at the age of 16 - 20 (he had been clean a year before we met) so i guess alcohol was a substitute. He always managed to hold down a job, had a successful business for the past 8 years and finances have always been okay.

The past year we barely spoke, i was asleep in bed by the time he came to bed and we both didnt see each other in the day as he was working and i was working at home. He would be out drinking at least 2 x per week without telling me he would bang on the doors to be let in at 4am and then we would argue about it. It was awful. Daughter became very ill start of the year out of the blue and had major life giving surgery in July (shes 13) however shes now well thankfully but is on life long meds. Then about June time right in the middle of daughters illness my dad became really ill, he suffered from a stroke and was not expecting to come out of hospital, stressed was an understatement. He wasnt very supportive but didnt go out and drink during the time our daughter was ill, and after my daughters op he was drinking again but much worse. One night he left his phone (august) and i found a series of whatts app messages to his friend where he was talking about how this girl was on his case, some of the things that they where talking about where awful, about women etc, and a certain womans name kept cropping up about how much he wanted her etc. I did some digging and found he was messaging this woman who is renowned for being odd and very manipulative - i was shocked, they where not doing anything but it seemed like she was setting him up with women who she knew and in particular this certain woman. I found this women on facebook and seen he liked her pics etc but no messages where on there. Anyway long story short i was ready to walk - we just sold a business and i was prepared to take my 50% and go. However he broke down, like really broke down on his knees hysterical (bearing in mind i had seen him cry once at his g.dads funeral), confessed all, i did have to message this other woman who had screen shotted me messages they had been sending for the past 18 months!! nothing too incriminating, they had never met up and it was banter most of it although he asked her out a few times and told her he was a single dad!! he also admitted to messaging several other woman (some being people i know!!) and sleeping with one woman he went to school with 4 years ago (one night stand ) i painfully contacted them to confirm. So basically he had been chasing 1 woman on FB for over a year and had messaged several others and had a one night stand with another woman a few years back. Devastated - i knew he was a dick with drinking etc but didnt think he was cheating too.
So roll on 3 months, he has stopped the drinking, deleted his social media account, stopped socializing with certain people and been the doctors to discuss his drinking habits and behaviour etc. Hes said and done all the right things, he is mortified about how hes been, recognised he has a BIG problem and his life was spiralling out of control and begged and cried for me not to leave him. He has given me full control of all the business sales money and basically been the partner he should be. He takes full responsibility and comforts and reassures me daily about how he loves me etc and how hes gonna make it up to me for the rest of his life. So even though its really hard and i am trying slowly to piece stuff back together and we are working at it again its really bloody hard!! we have started building a house and things are a 100000% better than what they where.

Until today. I have found out i am pregnant.
SHIT. I don't know how we have been so irresponsible :( this would be baby 5, financially its OK kind of but emotionally for me NO! its early days what if he slips back? he doesnt think its a good idea to go through with it, he's right - the youngest goes to school next year and we where hoping for a bit more freedom, we never get time alone, family all live miles away and its pretty full on. We have a weekend away booked this weekend and its taken alot to organize the kids to be looked after - its out=r first night alone/away in 6 YEARS!!!
I really don't know what to do. Its a huge spanner in the works :(

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nowifi · 29/10/2018 16:13

Sounds like you have been through a lot. In your heart do you want to keep the baby? Doesn't really matter about anything else when you come down to the bare bones of it. Unfortunately it's a decision only you can make. Flowers

hellsbellsmelons · 29/10/2018 16:14

he doesnt think its a good idea to go through with it, he's right
OK..... But what do YOU think?
Could you have another?
Could you have a termination?
If it's early days then the sooner you decide the better.
But this is your decision.
No judgement on here.
Most people are totally pro-choice!
But it's your choice!

Spudina · 29/10/2018 16:17

Bless you OP. I wouldn't want another baby under those circumstances either. But I'm sure I could go through with an abortion either, as it's not something I've ever had to think about. FWIW, it's good to here that your husband sounds genuinely remorseful. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Spudina · 29/10/2018 16:18

Hear not here!

MumOf5Monsters · 29/10/2018 16:27

It’s all about what you can live with.
You’ve been thru a lot....
I’ll play devils advocate....
What if you have baby and he slips back?
Could you be a single mum of 5?
Could you live with having a termination?
Could HE live with a termination or do you think it may set him back?
Could having a baby bring you closer?
Sit down..... ask every question and answer honestly......
The decision is ultimately yours.
You seem strong to go thru what you already have and so far come out the other side.
Good luck..... 💐

Unicornandbows · 29/10/2018 16:33

I personally wouldn't go through with a 5th baby I think there are many red flags that your relationship is in trouble and throwing a baby in the mix might just be the breaking point as some of the strongest relationships babies can prove to be a challenge.

I would focus on your relationship and seek counselling etc as there is a lot of hurt that needs to heal.

But then the choice is entirely yours and only you can judge if you can or can't bring a child x

Justmusing · 30/10/2018 08:11

Its a really hard decision. I just don't know what to do. One part of me says no to termination, we can do it - we already have 4 kids whats one extra? the other, i guess my head, says no way - been through so much this year and we are working on our relationship, the youngest goes to school next year and we will have more freedom plus the home is so chaotic already. My partner says he doesn't think he could cope with another baby due to the whole situation - i certainly don't want to be left at home with another baby if he's going to be going off the rails (he says he won't) - no way could i cope with that. Plus i get severe morning sickness, past 4 pregnancies i have ended up on a drip on several occasions and literally inbetween hospital i am bed bound being so sick for almost 7 months :( but could i live with going through a termination? i don't feel emotionally strong enough for yet more stress this year

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Justmusing · 30/10/2018 08:17

Plus - partner went the docs just 2 weeks ago to be referred to have a vesactomy - he's waiting for his consultation appointment then this happens :(

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LollyPopsApple · 30/10/2018 09:01

I think this will sound harsh but you really do need to think about the potential baby’s needs here and what you’d be bringing them into. It’s only been three months of good behaviour from him (and by good behaviour I mean not drinking himself silly, not cheating, basically an incredibly low bar for a partner and father to clear), that’s a speck in time. He swapped his heroin addiction for alcohol, he obviously doesn’t respect you, he didn’t just cheat once in the heat of the moment, he was chasing other women for MONTHS and seems like he only stopped cos he had to. The tears, the ‘breaking down’, all sounds like manipulation.

You have four children already and a very rocky relationship with a man who doesn’t respect you and has substance abuse problems. It would be grossly unfair to bring a brand new little baby into this. It’s your choice and your body but i think most people would admit that to go ahead with this pregnancy at this time would be for selfish reasons rather than because you’re in the right place to give a baby the stability and security it needs.

Ariela · 30/10/2018 09:12

I'd go and get some counselling from eg www.mariestopes.org.uk/other-services/counselling/

Notacluewhatthisis · 30/10/2018 09:45

Honestly, I would have this baby. Things are sorting themseleves out. You seem happy. Throwing a bomb in May unsettle that. In my head I would be thinking of the 4 I had and want things kept even for them.

But that doesn't mean that's the right decision for you. This is so hard as there is not right or wrong. Flowers for you.

Notacluewhatthisis · 30/10/2018 09:46

Shit meant to say....I WOULDN'T have this baby. Sorry.

Justmusing · 30/10/2018 10:50

I have booked an appointment with my doctor for this afternoon, i think i am going to go down the termination route - the more i think about it the more i think a baby would absolutely throw a huge spanner in the works, i mean how do i know how the situation will be in another 6 months, i don't want to worry about the possibility of bringing up a baby as well as the other 4 on my own. I still struggle daily with what he has done and its going to take a hell of a lot of continued effort from my partner to some how build back the trust.
I already have daily anxiety and have just started a new job to help get me out the house a bit more and find myself again.

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hellsbellsmelons · 30/10/2018 10:56

Discuss all options with your GP.
It believe you are making the right decision here.
Well done on getting a job.
It's important to find yourself after kids.

JessieLemon · 30/10/2018 11:13

That’s great you got an appointment so fast, OP. Is it even worth trying to find a way to rebuild trust with a man who you literally have no reason to trust? How is your self esteem?

Justmusing · 30/10/2018 11:37

JessieLemon - I would not be giving him another chance if i truly thought he was not sorry and remorseful for the way he has treated me in the past. The fact that he is making a huge effort, sort help for his drinking and deleted all his social media has helped massively in giving it another try ( he's never ever made this much effort before). We are in a good position financially to move forwards after selling the business and building a new house and about to look into another business opportunity, so it really is a brand new fresh start. We have 4 kids together and been together for 16 years so i guess its worth a shot. We have been getting on so much better these past few months and he knows he has a hell of alot to lose if he fucks up even once or touches another drink. He knows i will leave for good and take everything along with it.
I am taking it one day at a time, my self esteem is shattered, there are days when everything feels so fresh and i feel angry and sad and horrible, but there are better days too. Its also hard as the woman who he was messaging (although nothing sexual between them but she was encouraging him to cheat - i know it sounds weird but she really is an odd person and well known for trouble causing) lives up the road from where the house is being built so i have to drive past her house daily and sometimes she passes me in the village too. Thats difficult. She knows it all obviously and i messaged her on FB when i found out. She's a really bad liar too.
We are in 2 minds whether to sell the house once built just to get away from the area (small minded village)

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