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Help, I'm struggling with an affair from 4 years ago.

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Alexwell · 18/10/2018 13:28

hi, i have just joined looking for some help. Im a 43 yr old guy and ive been in a relationship with my partner for 20 good years. We are extremely close, and by my own admission, i have sometimes been a bit possessive, but no more than a lot of men i think. In the earlier days of our relationship, we were living together, i found texts on her phone from a man at her work, it was all talking about splitting up from me, moving in with him etc etc. We had a massive argument, she said nothing had happened etc etc and we moved on. Everything has been great since, we have travelled together, love each others company, soul mates. Then 4 years ago, things started to feel a little off, lots of bickering, nothing major. She had a good job and had to start going to meetings and courses. One night, i still don't know why, we were going out for the evening, and i said i forgot something and ran back to the house. i checked her bag and found a secret mobile phone. It was full of sexual texts from a colleague of hers at work. He was very explicit and she was very explicit in her replies, there were also loads of calls made. I confronted her over it, feeling like i was going to die. My life was literally destroyed. She confessed to having an affair for the past few months, and that she hadn't been going to meetings etc, that was all made up to go and have sex in a car park. I didn't know what to do. so i phoned the bloke up and threatened him, told him to stay away. As far as i know he has, apparently he got transferred, again something i cant confirm. We talked and talked and talked and i couldn't bear to lose her as i love her so so much. She told me it was to do with the fact she had low self esteem from childhood issues which i was aware of, and she wanted to feel like she didn't deserve me. We agreed to try and repair things. And we did. But we never truly spoke of it, i always asked deep questions but she could never 100% answer them. Time moved on, so did we. The next year i lost 2 people close to me and i had a nervous breakdown, everything had just been too much for me. I had therapy for anxiety which helped and i took up meditation. Everything has been great since, the last 6 months have been the best ever. she has a new job, i have promotion, all good. But all of a sudden, its come to the same time of year it happened and i have that nagging feeling and the memories are playing havoc with me again. She came home and says she is joining whatsapp which freaked me out, she doesn't understand why. The fear i have over her using something like WhatsApp for work colleagues is massive. I realise that is probably wrong, but considering twice before, on a mobile, with work colleagues i feel justified. She says she just wants to have some fun on it, and she'll hardly use it. I know how it works, and how all of a sudden lots of other people are contacting her on it (she works for a big organisation)She says she loves me to bits and wants to marry me, as i do her. But she feels that i should be over it now, and how long will i keep stopping her doing the things she wants to do. I don't feel she understand my side of it at all, even though we have spent so long discussing it. She says she is made to feel like a teenager having to explain to a parent what she wants to do instead of just doing it as an adult. i get that, but my trust is still broken. Any help is greatly received.

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gendercritter · 18/10/2018 13:35

Once your trust is broken, it's broken (in that relationship). I don't think you can salvage this. It's really common, if you've tried to move past the affair, for things to fall apart 3 or 4 years later when you realise the relationship is actually irreparably damaged. Leaving is hard but I'd make a clean break.

Also, by my own admission, i have sometimes been a bit possessive, but no more than a lot of men i think rings massive warning bells for me as a totally separate issue.

No it isn't normal to be possessive. Being possessive will lead to you either having a frightened, miserable partner or one who leaves you. Sort it out.

Alexwell · 18/10/2018 13:38

I have sorted to possessive side of things out, that was an early problem i had as a younger man.

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Adora10 · 18/10/2018 13:45

You don't trust her and why should you, look what she did, pretty sordid stuff; I'd feel exactly the same as you, not sure what to advise but if, after four years you still feel shit it's maybe time you put yourself first here and really think if you could maybe be happier with someone else.

You do sound a bit like her mother, but I can see why you are checking up on her, once the trust is broken, it's fucked really.

Alexwell · 18/10/2018 13:49

Thanks for replies. Just to be clear, for the majority of the last few years, we have been really happy, its just resurfaced. Like its the anniversary of it or something weird. Plus i have been ill and been on weird tablets that have made me very low mood. I have stopped taking them now thank god. I know using WhatsApp to most people is nothing, but to me its a massive fear. Plus i have seen it ruin 2 of my friends lives.

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Changedname3456 · 18/10/2018 15:30

I wouldn’t be in any rush to get married, if I were you, not with the situation as unsettled as this.

She’s got a point about you not being her Mum, but then again I have seen a LOT of threads where the OP’s been a woman in your situation. In the majority of them, she’s told that her cheating partner needs to commit to giving her complete access to phones, laptops etc and that this level of “control” is perfectly reasonable where a massive loss of trust has occurred.

I’ve not been where you are (my exW cheated but left me for him so I didn’t experience trying to forgive and forget) but I don’t think I could just blank it from my mind as she seems to expect you to be able to do.

Personally, I think I’d want out of the relationship to find someone I could completely trust. Life’s way too short to be constantly peeking over your DP’s shoulder and/or worrying if that “work meeting” is actually why she’s stayed out late.

SymphonyofShadows · 18/10/2018 15:36

She's done it twice now, why wait around for the third time? The first time she convinced you that nothing happened as you had no proof. If you stay you will never have peace, you will always be waiting for it to start again.

Adora10 · 18/10/2018 15:51

Having a secret phone has feck all to do with self esteem issues, it's extremely calculating and deceitful.

Raspberry66 · 18/10/2018 16:01

WhatsApp doesn't ruin people's lives. It's a tool and like any tool it's what people use it for that matters.

It's like blaming a knife for being used to stab someone.

Also, once trust is gone it's very hard impossible to repair a relationship. Some claim to have done it but most don't really know they have. You can only say that if one of you dies and the relationship is still going strong. It can take over a decade for some relationships to finally fall apart.

Alexwell · 18/10/2018 16:31

i understand what you are saying about WhatsApp. I know my fear of her using it is irrational, and that the app isn't the problem. But thats the problem, how do i get over the fact that she could be contacting all sorts of people on it?

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Adora10 · 18/10/2018 16:42

The issue is you still do not trust her OP, that's why. I didn't actually read properly. Whether you want to believe it or not, it sounds pretty much like she's had two affairs, that you know of.

Monstermunch1234 · 18/10/2018 17:49

I've had a similar experience to you. Except my DPs indiscretion/affair/inappropriate behaviour happened nine years ago and again, six years ago. I didn't get a confession, the truth (or some of it) trickled out over time. I'm still in my marriage and committed to making it work but this deceit is something that I think about virtually every day. Looking back, I wish that I had insisted on counselling. I think it would have helped me to understand but would also have made my DP acknowledge their behaviour and would have made them understand the impact this behaviour has had on me. Whether or not they were then willing to change or be open about their behaviour would probably a good indicator of their feelings toward me. Hope this is helpful.

Thebluedog · 18/10/2018 21:25

I managed 3 years with, my now, ex, before I threw the towel in after his affair. I found that any important dates, anniversaries, birthdays, Christmas etc were spoilt for me, all I could think about was that time whilst he was having his affair.

Trust I like a peice of paper, you start with a lovely clean sheet, during an affair, you screw it up and rip it to peices, then you can, if you want, try and repair it, sellotape it back together, try and iron out the creases, but it will NEVER be the same again.

I couldn’t live with it and it eventually broke us

NotTheFordType · 18/10/2018 21:33

I haven't RTFT but if it's not worked in 4 years, seriously just go.

MMmomDD · 18/10/2018 22:35

OP - you are transferring your fears and anxiety to an app...
She has a smart phone - so she can be communicating with anyone in the world - with or without WhA.
Texting, FB messenger, secret email addresses, chat rooms....
All of that is already part of everybody’s life.
You can’t keep her in a prison disconnected from the world.

Have the two of you tried couples counselling?

Haffiana · 18/10/2018 22:39

Do you actually stop her using whatsapp? Because if you do then your reaction is abnormal, your thinking is badly screwed up and possibly you need to seek professional help. That is called controlling behaviour which means that contrary to your statement, you are being extremely possessive.

Your fears may feel completely justified to you because they indeed have a root in something real, but you will not 'solve' your relationship problems by trying to control what your partner does. That is irrational and you know this, but you don't really understand it.

You need to speak to your GP about your meds first and foremost. You need to be truly well in order to really get to grips with your relationship. Then, if you still want to go forward in your relationship and if your partner is willing, you both need to go and speak to an impartial relationship counsellor.

ferando81 · 19/10/2018 00:50

She's cheated on you twice .Dont get married unless she is filthy rich .so when she cheats on you again (which she will) you can make her pay.

dontgobaconmyheart · 19/10/2018 03:36

with the greatest of respect OP things are not 'great' if you are overcome with anxiety on the anniversary of the cheating 4 years later. Or if she has been cheating on you and lying to you in your relationship. This sounds like the opposite of great, perhaps things are not as fantastic as you want to think they are. It doesn't sound like you discussed the problem as a couple or built any intimacy back after she had an affair so much as shoved it under the carpet to avoid losing her.

Whatsapp "ruining lives" - this is not a thing, nor can she 'join' whatsapp, it isn't a dating app or a place to meet new people, it is a messaging app where you message the people in your phones contacts list only, so the same people she presumably already texts. It doesn't have any additional functions to meet strangers or scour online for them. Only people that already have her number will even be speaking to her on it, and she will already be speaking to these people surely. I think most people just use it because its free, and far surpasses texting. You are either misinformed on what it is or are being unreasonable about controlling her use of it. She could be contacting anyone she likes by text message frankly, it is the same thing. These friends you speak of will not have needed whatsapp to do whatever it is they did.

Ultimately you do not trust her and that doesn't appear to be getting better for you, this is no way to live surely. What is concerning is what you say about your medication and it causing you to feel anxious and have low mood. This should definitely be discussed with your GP. Neither of you sound happy in this relationship despite saying you love one another. Have you considered it has become codependent rather than healthy?

sadiesnakes · 19/10/2018 03:41

The problem is she's not truly sorry for what she's done, if she's not truly sorry then she's capable of doing it again. The trust will never be rebuilt because of this. You can leave and move on, it'll be really hard but IMO worth it. You can stay but this is your life forever, you will never ever trust her and will spend the rest of your relationship trying to deal with these feelings. It's not a life op.

alvinp · 20/10/2018 10:52

Two affairs that you know about. She has no empathy for your position and unfortunately you appear to be more cognisant of her perspective than of your own. She doesn't respect you and you don't seem to respect yourself either.

This is not a way to live your life. Leave, take some time to rebuild yourself and your confidence. Yes it will be hard but your alternative is slow corrosive mistrust and very likely more betrayal.

In time you will meet someone who does respect you and who deserves your trust and respect in turn.

Move on, this one is going nowhere.

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