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Is this emotional abuse?

19 replies

Worried10000 · 17/10/2018 19:18

I’ve recently split with partner and a friend thinks he was abusive which I thought was an extreme remark to make. Looking back I’m now confused and I’ve been reading things that resonate with me now but I can’t think straight. Your lovely opinions from an unbiased perspective would really help.
We met 5 years ago. Instantly he was so loving and generous and I had flowers, romance and he said I was his soul mate. I was swept away. Within 6 weeks he was living here and he talked of marriage and babies etc. It was like a dream. After 4 months we were settled when out of the blue he dumped me as his ex was pressuring him to go back to his family. A week later he came back. He said she’d been coming on strong and he was confused and was so sorry so I forgave him. We carried on for 6 months but we only saw each other a couple of times a week. I was besotted but he always put himself first. His attitude changed but I assumed it was worry over what he’d done. Out of the blue he dumped me again and I was distraught. We were apart for a while.
Eventually, we got back together but had to keep it from his ex. He has spoke of marriage and buying a house and when I was with him he was so loving and caring. But I saw him on his terms which suited me because of my job. If I wanted to plan something concrete I always got maybe then he’d forget. He would tell me he was going to do something like take time off work for me but then he took time off to be with his mates and when I brought I up he denied ever saying the time off was for me. He hated the air fresheners in my house and turned them off all the time. If he did something hurtful and I called him on it I usually ended up apologising as he turned it round on me. I caught him lying about having his kids overnight so he could go out with his friends and I got silent treatment till I apologised for snooping.
He would take part in races but not tell me and he would rearrange having his children to socialise but never for me. He borrowed £14000 (two lots of 7 10 months apart) but has nothing to show for it. He wouldn’t always respond to texts coz he was busy and then I’d get a loved up message that his head is all over the place as he’s busy. He said crying makes him run away so I shouldn’t be emotional. He told me that if I want something from him I should ask but when I did he said asking never gets. I did feel like I buried a lot as it felt like I’d get nowhere so I did cry quite a bit on my own but I couldn’t bring it up with him as when we were together he was totally lovely and charming and told me he loved me and that I, and we, were amazing.
He gave advice and it’s only now when I list it it seems controlling. He hated air fresheners and turned them off, he asked me to wear brighter colour s as I look beautiful in them, he wanted me to buy tight jeans and complained whenever I wore baggy ones, he wanted me to cut my hair and change the colour, buy an expensive coat, eat different food, wear heavier make up are some.
He has again broke up with me as he want to move his life forward and he said were on different pages as I want a house and he’s not sure. He totally denied bringing it up. He made everything my fault as if I’m holding him back and he doesn’t want to deal with the conflict.
This came out of the blue as in we were planning a holiday on Sunday and hefinished it the following Friday.
I’ve since found out he then went on 2 maybe 3 holidays/breaks with his friends. He is 40 and acting like a child.
A close friend thinks he has something wrong with him emotionally and my head said she’s right but I miss him.
It feels good just getting this down in writing. Any advice or opinion would be gratefully received.

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MissConductUS · 17/10/2018 19:23

I don't think it much matters whether you call it "emotional abuse" or not, but he's a head banging bad boyfriend and you're well rid of him.

He really "borrowed" 14k from you? Do you have anything in writing you could use to sue him with?

Have a party. You're free of this git.

Doghorsechicken · 17/10/2018 19:29

He sounds absolutely appalling. This is not normal, he’s using you because you’re convenient. Get rid & find someone worth it. Actions speak louder than words!

category12 · 17/10/2018 19:35

Yes, I'd say that's emotionally abusive.

Your first red flag was the lovebombing at the beginning, where he moved everything so fast, made such big promises of commitment and everything was whirlwind.

Worried10000 · 17/10/2018 19:45

MissConductUS he borrowed it from a bank not me! I only ever lent him £100 at Christmas.
Thank you for your advice. I just need my heart to accept what my head knows.
It’s good hearing it from you as I’d got to the point where our relationship was my normal.

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MissConductUS · 17/10/2018 20:00

Some men will take an inch, then another, then another until everything is upside down and you have no idea what to expect. Telling you to wear tighter clothes and more makeup means that you're just an accessory, not a person.

Good men will be considerate, respectful and appreciative of what you contribute to the relationship. Find one like that. Your relationship with him was not normal or healthy.

CaptSkippy · 17/10/2018 21:06

Sounds like gaslighting, which is definitely a form of abuse.

In either case I know from experience that an on-again-off-again relationship is a terrible idea. Your ex is also flakey. If he wants to get back together again it would be better for your own sanity to tell him to shove it.

crappyday2018 · 17/10/2018 22:05

God OP he sounds like a hideous person. Yes he is abusive, I have no doubt. Men like that can turn on the charm when they need to, otherwise they wouldn't never get a woman in the first place. Sadly the loving side is the false side they use to keep you hooked.
Please have some self respect and get rid of him for good this time. He's 40 years old so he is not going to change now. With any luck, he will wind up a very sad lonely man. Find someone who genuinely loves you.

dirtybadger · 17/10/2018 22:28

Tbh I'd dump someone just for being so bad with money (not 100% clear he was but sounds like it).

He doesn't sound like much of a boyfriend. Isn't one of the key benefits of having close friends and partners that they are there to pick you up when you're down? Not that you have to pretend you never are!

dirtybadger · 17/10/2018 22:29

Asking you to change anything about you appearance Hmm he sounds gross

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 17/10/2018 22:51

I'd dump him without hesitation. He's an appalling excuse for a boyfriend. Don't waste any more time or tears on him

Worried10000 · 17/10/2018 23:09

Thank you so much for all your comments. I feel like I’ve had a huge hug from you all.
Thinking about everything it was always “things will be different when...” and he never followed through. I was always expecting the lovely man from the beginning to reappear and I’m now slowly realising he didn’t exist. The selfish man is the real version.
I did speak to the ex when we first met and she told me how selfish he was but it didn’t match with what I’d seen so I put it down to her being jealous. He’d told me she was abusive and crazy and on antidepressants. I now realise she was probably on the tablets because of his behaviour. ALL the things she warned me about happened but it crept up so slowly it became normality.
Do you thing he’ll treat the next one the same? I have it in my head that she’ll get the lovely man I fell for and none of the rubbish he put me through.

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gamerchick · 17/10/2018 23:13

A man that paints a crazy ex on pills is usually the one fucked up.

If you want his true measure, the next time he comes crawling back... Tell him no.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 17/10/2018 23:32

I'm sure he'll treat the next poor woman just the same. She'll get the lovely charming version to draw her in, then he'll start giving her the grief he's given you. But if you warn her she won't believe you, just as you didn't believe his ex.

Put him where he belongs: behind you.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 18/10/2018 10:31

To be honest I don't think he sounds abusive.

He just sounds like an arsehole.

differentnameforthis · 18/10/2018 11:19

Sounds like he has someone else as well as you. Or had.

You are better off without him.

MissConductUS · 18/10/2018 11:39

@Worried10000 - huge hugs to you dear. Smile

If he comes simpering back in a week all sweetness and light just ignore him and focus on moving forward.

Worried10000 · 18/10/2018 13:30

Thank you so much. I am literally all over the place with how I feel. When I was with him I felt so special and he was lovely. On the days we were apart I could sometimes feel like a burden. When I suggested anything it was always maybe and he used his children as the excuse - I might have to have them. Everyone else on the planet seemed to get an automatic yes. He also used to say that he couldn't let people down after he has agreed to something but he let me down all the time. I am trying to tie the two different people together - the one he was when I was with him and the one he became when he went out of the door.
There was total duality of what he said and what he did but he seemed so sincere when he said the lovely things he used to.
The I love yous were never prompted by me. 4 days before he discarded me he was sending loving texts at 7 in the morning then suddenly he was cold as ice. He had always been off/on emotionally but I never thought he would do what he has done.

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MrsMartinRohde · 18/10/2018 13:43

you're well rid.

much of what you said reminded me of my ex husband, who was (is) a compulsive gambler. (he blew through his share after our divorce in two months. about £60K. NOTHING to show for it.)

as for his next victim relationship, sure, she'll get the lovely version but he won't change, he'll eventually do to her what he's done to you. I know how hard it is. I convinced myself for years that my ex would be the nice version of himself 100% of the time next time round. nuh.

be glad you can cut him off.

MissConductUS · 18/10/2018 13:46

4 days before he discarded me he was sending loving texts at 7 in the morning then suddenly he was cold as ice.

There's really only two likely explanations for behavior like this. Either he was being insincere and just telling you what he thought you wanted to hear, or he's gone off in pursuit of someone he fancies more.

Eventually, we got back together but had to keep it from his ex.

You were once the woman he fancied more who had to be kept secret from his old girlfriend. I'd say history is repeating itself.

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