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I don’t know what way is up anymore

59 replies

IWasADrabLittleCrabOnce · 10/10/2018 20:32

I think I’m being emotionally abused. I know that sounds pathetic that I don’t even know but it’s been such a long time with him insisting that he’s not abusive, he would never hurt me, he’s not like that, that he’s calm and nice to everyone, how could he be abusing me... Except, he is.

It’s little things, lots of tiny things and eventually I just can’t take anymore, I blow up, I shout, I slam doors, I have to go into another room to calm myself down. But he’s always so calm, completely calm, even, low voice.

He’s never used my name, never, not even once. Since our child was born he calls me Mummy, despite me asking him not to. I’m not his mother after all. He has no reason why he won’t use my name, he just says he doesn’t use names. But he does. Just not mine. Ever.

He has a child from before we were married. He pays £500/month in maintenance but doesn’t see the child at all. He also will not allow his family to talk about this child in front of him. He refuses to tell me anything about this situation. Denys the child is his, Denys he pays maintenance. It’s very weird. There has been a dna test and he is the father but he denies this, even when the letter was in front of him he said he’s never had a dna test and he only has one child (the one he has with me). Despite his family knowing all about this child and seeing them regularly, I knew nothing until I was pregnant with our child and we had been married for five years. If anyone talks about this child he repeats I only have one child or he pretends that they are talking about the child I have with him. So, fucked up, right?

He constantly tells me I am socially awkward and have no sense of humour. This is kit true, I don’t think so. Before we were together I was always known as the funny one, a good laugh, had lots of friends. He tells all his friends and family that I am socially awkward and hate people. For example we were at a wedding years ago and I was talking to a couple and he came over and said something about why was I talking to them and turned and said sorry she hates people, she’s just pretending not to. I mean wtf, thats weird isn’t it?

He thinks he is absolutely gorgeous and that his whole family are gorgeous. This is one of his favourite subjects and he’ll talk at length about his good looking self and family, thank goodness our child took after him etc. He’ll then say, totally out of the blue, that he doesn’t care about a good body, that I’ve got a pretty face and that’s all that matters. But that’s horrible isn’t it? That’s cruel, I think.

He makes me pay for half of everything and I do all the housework. He will not lift a finger. I am exhausted doing everything and working full time in a professional job. I admit I don’t always look that great, I have a number of chronic illnesses and sometimes I look tired and sore. I might shove my hair in a messy bun and wear clothes that are suited to cleaning and child and animal care, but I’m too busy! If we go anywhere he spends a huge amount of time getting ready and by then I barely have a chance to put on a clean top and brush my hair. He’d never admit it, but he likes it that way, I’m sure he thinks it makes him look even better. We go out as a family maybe a couple of times per year. He doesn’t like to spend time with me. Even in the evenings I have to go to my bedroom after I’ve done the housework and spend the evening there because he likes to sit in the living room. If I try to stay downstairs he just sits on the sofa, staring at a switches off tv and glares at me every so often until I go away. He says this is because he wants some ‘me time’ to relax and watch tv. If I say I want to watch with him he goes off on a rant saying that I don’t like what he likes, that he works so hard and he just wants to relax without me ruining his programmes. He doesn’t sleep in our bedroom he sleeps on the sofa, every night for years. If I ever ask him why he says he didn’t mean to, but he does, it’s literally every night.

He’s a firefighter and if he doesn’t turn a conversation around to how attractive he is, he turns it around to the fire service, what a hero he is, how the court ty burn to the ground were it not for him, how handsome he is in uniform, how his colleagues love him so much, how he’s the hero of the village.

That’s long. Sorry. Even if no one can face reading to the end it’s helped just typing all that out. It feels clearer. He’s actually a horrible person. The thing is no one else sees it, all I hear is how lucky I am to have him, he’s a great guy, popular, fun, kind, so handsome. But I can’t stand him. I’ve got to leave don’t I.

OP posts:
zippyup · 10/10/2018 22:08

I've just seen your final message, you sounds totally broken.
Make a plan and make sure you are doing everything you can to keep yourself and baby safe x

IWasADrabLittleCrabOnce · 10/10/2018 22:16

I’m not slating you zippy, I was just trying to explain why I can’t face counselling, I don’t recognise the person you describe as how my husband is.

Honestly, he sleeps very soundly on the sofa, I suspect it’s a control thing. I obviously want to share a bed with my husband, he denies me that.

I don’t know, maybe I’m being too harsh or not trying hard enough but I’m so miserable, I just can’t go on like this. I’m worried about the effect of it all on our child. I feel so lost and overwhelmed.

OP posts:
MelonBuffet · 10/10/2018 22:16

You’re right not to go to counselling with him. It’s well documented that abusers will charm the counsellor and then use what you say as more ammunition against you once you’re out. I’ve learned that the hard way!

Counsellors don’t recommend couples counselling when there’s been abuse, but they can’t always spot it and go into the sessions trying to be fair and equal.

Don’t even think about it. By all means get some counselling on your own to build up your confidence to enable you to leave him.

Dixhuitagain · 10/10/2018 22:22

It may be helpful for you to start looking into narcissistic personality disorder and the behaviours that people with the disorder exhibit.

You might find some answers to your husband's behaviour and also ways you can manage them until you can leave.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/10/2018 22:23

I would think that he abused his ex too. Such men do not do embarrassed.

You need to get away from your abuser before he really does completely destroy you from the inside out. And yes you do have to leave.

Do contact both Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247 and the Rights of Women here. They can and will help you further in making plans to safely leave this frankly dangerous sounding individual.

user764329056 · 10/10/2018 22:24

This isn’t a situation for retaliation or counselling, this kind of abuse has to handled in the right way to pave the way for a better life for you and your child OP. Please contact Women’s Aid when you can talk freely, this is textbook abuse and they will be able to help you. Please take care xx

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/10/2018 22:26

Zippey

You do not understand the dynamics of abusive relationships at all do you.

No decent counsellor would ever see OP and her H in the same room due to the abuses he metes out towards her. Joint counselling as well is never recommended where there is abuse of any type within the relationship. This is all about power and control; he wants absolute here.

CitrusFruit9 · 10/10/2018 22:30

You are married to a man very like my exH who is a grade A psychopath (even my lawyer says so), I got chills just reading your first post. I was relieved when you said he was a firefighter because my exH was a lawyer so I knew it could not be him.

You will never convince your H that he is at fault in any way, he is just incapable of believing that and incapable of empathy.

Be very careful because as soon as you step outside your allotted role he will be furious. Five years down the line my exH still sends ranty letters to my solicitor (I am NC) reiterating the same points over and over again - because he must be right and it is impossible that we do not see it. Remember, you cannot reason with an unreasonable person.

You definitely need to see a solicitor experienced in DV, ideally one recommended by Women's Aid, and you definitely need to tell them the detail of what you have said here about his behaviour so they can see how bad it is. I never told anyone IRL until the last year because I was so ashamed and that has given my ex carte blanche to use the legal system to abuse me further. He loves going to court just to get a chance to rant about me. Even when he loses he has had his reward.

Definitely do not go to counselling with him and ideally do not go to mediation either, he will milk those opportunities for all he can get.

RamblinRosie · 10/10/2018 22:32

Solicitor now!!!

Issue divorce papers, he may be happy but you’re not, you don’t need his permission!

As you’re married, the division of assets will be based on need.

Don’t leave unless you’re in fear of your safety, certainly don’t leave without your child.

cestlavielife · 10/10/2018 22:35

Solicitor
Counsellor for you on your own
Make a plan and do not tell him til you safely away....
He might say he wants you to go but he will be v cross when you do. It s how they roll ....

Doingreat · 10/10/2018 22:37

Oh god. This is horrific. I've got goosebumps just reading your op.

I'm so glad you're planning to leave him. Please do get in touch with women's aid. You need a careful exit strategy with an abusive shit like him.

In the meantime please stay safe. Thinking of you and sending you strength

wheresthehope · 10/10/2018 22:39

Run...Hes horrid!
But also stand up for yourself. Tell him you have a name and fucking use it! Tell him you live in this house and you will watch tv if you choose to. Join him to sleep on the couch.. That will throw him off!
But really look after yourself and sort your legal stuff and leave! You deserve better Flowers

Louise1206 · 10/10/2018 22:51

He sounds awful. That's not how a relationship should be. You're denying yourself peace and the chance of a loving relationship whilst you are with him. X

Doingreat · 10/10/2018 22:53

Agree with pp. Don't answer if he calls you mummy. My understanding is that by calling you mummy he's trying to reduce you to your 'function'. As though you have no identity of your own. Something like that. Maybe other posters can explain better.

Stay safe op. X

Skittlesandbeer · 10/10/2018 22:54

Use that time that he banishes you to your room at night, to do your planning. Keep any notes well hidden (not in that room).

And please realise that what the world thinks of him, or what they’ll think of you for leaving him is quite quite irrelevant. Let him worry about ‘how it looks’. Since he’s so keen on it. Two failed marriages might take the shine off his reputation somewhat anyway. You worry about getting out of this horrific situation (it’s not a marriage), and prioritise your child.

A couple of years from now, when you’re happily settled with a normal human bloke, the world will figure out very quickly who was at fault. The look of honest happiness on your face, and the massive improvement in your child’s development will be all the evidence anyone will need.

If you really feel you need to, then journal his behaviour towards you. Count up how many nights he’s slept on the sofa. Write 2 paragraphs about his first kid. First paragraph is the undisputed facts (DNA test, etc), second para is his line on it all. Make a note about how many conversations he starts about his looks, start counting everything. Refer back to your notes when he starts to gaslight you, and you start to doubt yourself. And please be very careful not to provoke him or show your hand, until everything is ready for your escape.

One day, far into the future, feel free to tell him the real reason you left was that he got too saggy and middle-aged, and that good looks we’re important to you in a partner.

teenybean · 10/10/2018 22:55

Odd question, but is he retained firefighter?

IWasADrabLittleCrabOnce · 10/10/2018 23:02

Gosh, lots of posts. Thanks for taking the time everyone. Lots of good advice. I’m feeling more prepared and calm. I’m starting to get a rough plan together in my head. It’s just so much to deal with. He’s on his first of a row of nights tonight, it’s nice to have a bit of peace.

Teeny, no he’s wholetime...why?

OP posts:
DeRigueurMortis · 10/10/2018 23:36

That's great OP.

So a plan....

  1. Start gathering as much financial info as you can (photos of his payslips, pension, savings, bank accounts etc)
  1. Book an appointment with a solicitor taking all the above. A lot of solicitors offer a free 30 min first briefing. Sounds good but they mean 30 mins so avoid chit chat and have questions prepared. You can find solicitors via the law society's website - just search on your area and divorce. I'd strongly suggest you use a Women's Aid recommendation on solicitors if you are in an abusive relationship (as you are). However, if there are non local to you, the use the law society website and when you contact them make clear that privacy is an issue given you are in an abusive relationship. If they don't get that, don't use them.
  1. On privacy - if you have a phone/tablet, check your settings. Specifically your browsing history and location settings. You don't want him tracking you through your devices. Change all your passwords for any accounts you have. Not just the obvious like banking, but you don't want him logging in to marks and Spencer's and spending £300 of your money just because you used a password he could guess (child's name/birthday etc).
  1. Given he wants to banish you, use that time to your advantage to get things done.
  1. Create a new email address he doesn't know about - gmail or other. Use this for all Commes.

Good luck Thanks

30000Lakes · 11/10/2018 03:10

Another one saying that this is very chilling... sounds like my dad - severe personality disorder. Do not doubt that he will turn on your child too. I know it sounds awful but if he cuts your child out then they will not need to endure his abuse.

The thing with Narcissists and sociopaths is that they need narcissistic supply/fuel. This can be in the form of people worshipping them and saying they are great, it can also be in the negative form, people being upset with them.

He gets supply by knowing you are upset he sleeps downstairs. He gets supply by making you think your body isn't good enough. He gets supply when other people think he's a great guy.

Do loads of reading about this and I promise it will make sense.

Graphista · 11/10/2018 03:37

"Make life as hard as possible for him. Don't do the house work, sit in the lounge with him so he doesn't get his me time. Make his life miserable." DO NOT do this!

That was chilling reading your op and I would not be in the least surprised to learn the reason he doesn't see his other child but still has to pay maintenance for them is he's not ALLOWED to see them, because he's UNSAFE.

DO NOT change your behaviour around him. I've far too much experience of men like this and they ARE likely to turn violent when they think they're losing control over their victim.

DO NOT get counselling with this guy, it's strongly advised against where there's abuse and he sounds like a master manipulator!

Contact women's aid, let your GP know the situation (both for support and so there's a record), I've also read good things about these folk on here:

www.ncdv.org.uk

Site down for maintenance at mo but try them later. They are apparently particularly good in dealing with housing side of things.

Also women's aid can recommend a suitable solicitor in your area. And on their site there is advice on preparing to end the relationship in a safe way.

A thought occurs to me - have you ever done a Clare's law check on this douche? I suspect you'll find it illuminating!

As for all those people who think he's "mr wonderful" you'll more than likely find after you split from him that they actually don't think much of him at all. People do see through twats like this.

PLEASE also log out of mumsnet when you're not active you don't need him seeing this thread and knowing you posted it.

CrabbityRabbit · 11/10/2018 07:19

He sounds very scary. Like a dead person inside.

You have had some good advice here. Flowers

TomHardyswife · 11/10/2018 07:44

"Make life as hard as possible for him. Don't do the house work, sit in the lounge with him so he doesn't get his me time. Make his life miserable." DO NOT do this!

I also agree.. DO NOT follow Zippyups advice.

Otherwise you have some fantastic advice on this thread.

TomHardyswife · 11/10/2018 07:46

Take one day at a time but promise yourself you will take steps to get yourself out of this relationship.

We are all here rooting for you.

For you OP Thanks

Kr1stina · 11/10/2018 07:53

Don’t change anything about how you react to him. Don’t answer back. Don’t argue .

Google “ grey rock “.

If he spots any changes and asks what’s up, just “ oh I don’t know, I’m tired, maybe I’m coming down with a bug / I’m getting depressed again/ I’ve got a migraine coming on / I’m getting anaemic” .

Try to be as boring as possible .

Use all your energy to plot your escape.

pudding21 · 11/10/2018 10:14

Another one chilled by reading what he does to you. He is abusive drablittlecrab. He is demeaning and belittling you so you stay and he can push all his insecurities onto you to make his sad little self feel better.

Don't say anything more to him to try and convince him to change and see you as you deserve. He won't. Journal, get advice from Womans Aid and be careful around your privacy. Get your ducks lined up, see a solicitor and have an exit plan. Please talk to someone in real life.

Good luck. You deserve so much more than this.