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Everything is such a mess

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BuggerFlip · 09/10/2018 00:03

Hello, I've posted a few times over the years about my DH porn/casual encounters type issues. He's a good husband on the whole. Great with kids, works, does 50% of childcare and helps a lot with chores etc. He still makes me laugh and we have 2 lovely children who we adore. But then there's this other side of him that has been there for almost as long as we've been married. Every few years I'll find he's been posting on casual sex websites/gumtree/craigslist. I've nearly kicked him out so many times but he either talks his way out of it or promises he'll change. Everything is fine for a few years but then booom. I did swear to myself after the last (really bad) incident when I forgave him that if this happened again that was it. So fast forward to last week and DH is working away from home for a night. I got a text from him and I just had a sixth sense. He's not that tech savvy and I have access to his google account. He doesn't use it for emails but I can see his photos/search history etc. Next day I found a pic of him naked on his phone clearly meant to be sent to someone. It probably was. Given he's always in bed by 10pm due to his very early starts I saw he'd been on internet gone 1am. Don't know if he'd actually left hotel to meet someone or not. Upon his return the next day I said nothing but when kids went to bed I told him I was going to bed too and to sleep in the spare room. Next day he didn't even ask me why! This pretty much went on all weekend. He knew I was seething but did not ask why. We both share a mobile phone account so I can log in and see his call history etc. I recognise most of his numbers as work colleagues but there was a number I didn't and he'd texted it just as I'd gone out for the night the week before. I called the number and it went to a voicemail giving a name that I didn't recognise. I saw he'd texted the number a few days previous as well. I wanted to check his phone to see if it was innocent before I confronted him and it took a couple of days before he left his phone unattended. There were no texts and the number wasn't saved. So later on kids were downstairs and he was upstairs and I just went and told him I'd seen the picture (he'd by now deleted it but I have a copy) and asked who was 'E' (the mystery number). I don't know what I was expecting but yep it was just a girl who he chats to with sexy talk or words to that effect. I was seeing red at this point and not really taking it all in. So here we are now. 18 years of marriage and I really do have to walk away this time. I know he does love me and I know our sex life has been beyond crap for a long time which is his reason for all of this but I think he just has a need for secrets and lies and gets off on the danger regardless of whether our sex life was great or not. I have my reasons for not wanting to have sex with him a lot - mostly boiling down to his history of porn use and casual encounters websites.
Luckily we have a spare room so he's staying in there. I just don't know where to go from here. I want to divorce him obviously and will probably start a thread on the divorce/separation page as I don't know the first thing. We have kids, joint massive mortgage but with some equity. Kids are all settled in schools etc and I can't afford to buy anywhere near here on half the equity (I feel like I deserve it all given he's put us in this situation). I told the kids tonight. I know I shouldn't have but he's working away and I was on my own with them and had a panic attack and couldn't breathe. I can't stop crying and feel so incredibly sad and depressed. I feel such failure. Then I feel stressed about having to share custody of my beautiful children and leaving my lovely home. Their lovely home. All our hopes and plans for the future. I gave birth to DD in this house. I can't bear the thought of leaving. But I want a clean break from him and us living together isn't that. So can I just submit divorce papers (I've looked at the .gov website today)? I'm that angry I feel that's what I want to do or do I have to go through a solicitor? I have a DS and a DD and I think about what a terrible example he's setting for them. My poor children. I don't know why I told them. I was just a mess but now especially my oldest DS was crying and crying I just hate myself for hurting him. I didn't mean to. They need to know but not like that. I won't be able to afford anything to buy nearby but can't go far due to schools. I love them so much. I need to do what's right for them but staying with their sleezy father who breaks my heart over and over can't be right. Just need a hand holding really. I don't have many friends in rl and those that I do are mutual and I don't honestly want them knowing what a perv he is. Still, once I tell people it will seem real.

OP posts:
BuggerFlip · 09/10/2018 00:06

Oh and I should add that I found evidence today of 2 secret email accounts which is obviously where he's hiding his double life from me. Would normally try and hack in but I just don't want to know anymore. I know enough for me to divorce him

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goldinthemtherestars · 09/10/2018 00:18

I was just off to bed when I read your post and didn't want to leave you with no response at all at such a devastating time.

From what you've said I'm sure you are doing the right thing but really hope you have someone in real life who can support you through the coming months of undoubted upheaval.

Re divorce, I have no idea but perhaps Citizen's advice might be a starting point? Do you have any family - parents, siblings, or colleagues or old friends from before you were a couple who you could reconnect with? I'm so sorry you are going through this. You will get through it, you sound sensible and clear-headed about what's ahead.

Don't beat yourself up about the crying and telling your children. We cope as best we can, and you were honest with them which is never wrong in my book. Deep breaths from now on though, as they will need hand-holding so you will need to be strong, and you do sound strong, just temporarily de-railed by the shock of your OH's repeated betrayal. Good luck.

Sethis · 09/10/2018 00:26

I know our sex life has been beyond crap for a long time which is his reason for all of this but I think he just has a need for secrets and lies and gets off on the danger regardless of whether our sex life was great or not. I have my reasons for not wanting to have sex with him a lot - mostly boiling down to his history of porn use and casual encounters websites.

This seems very chicken and egg, the way you describe it. You don't sleep with him because he watches porn, he watches porn because you don't sleep with him etc etc. I'm not defending anything at all, but it just sounds cyclical in nature.

Is it far too late to look at relationship counselling? Is the relationship completely unsalvagable? If so then I'm really sorry it's gotten to that point and you're committed to a divorce, which I'm not qualified to advise on.

Stay strong, regardless. There's lots of support networks out there if you need them, I'm sure others will provide more detail shortly.

SuchAToDo · 09/10/2018 00:35

Op do you have any friends or family to lean on during this stressful time?

Also if you have shared bank accounts you may want to withdraw your half at least, because he may take it all otherwise in a bid to stop you...

Op a crap sex life is no excuse for his behaviour, there are women who have sex every day with their partners and their partners stray...in other words, this is not your fault in any way...

Op i don't mean to be harsh but you need to rethink that he loves you...you have caught him out not only this time but other times...if he loved you he wouldn't do this stuff at all, if he was sorry and ashamed he would have stopped after the first time..the fact that he's done it repeatedly even though you catch him shows he has no respect for you as in his mind he thinks you will forgive him and take him back regardless....if you don't want a lifetime of this you need to stay firm in your decision and leave him and let him know he's gone way too far and that there's no way back

If you are worried about sharing custody with him arrange for his time with them to be at a contact centre

BuggerFlip · 09/10/2018 00:53

Thanks for your replies so late. I do have a friend I can talk to but just don't feel able to just yet. I have to tell my parents but they're on holiday at the moment. They're elderly and will be so devastated. We do have a joint account but tbh it's only ever overdrawn. I deal with all finances in the marriage so everything is open. We're both on average wages, nothing amazing but I'm the higher earner by about 25%. I work f/t and my eyes are all puffy from crying. I don't know how I can go in tomorrow as all I'll be thinking about is my DS's crying himself to sleep tonight. I'm going to get the house valued and see where we are. I think DH is going to be in shock when he realises I'm going through with this. I do still love him. I just can't keep doing this over and over Before I know it I'll be in my 50s, kids will leave home and I'll be left with this sham. I have really dark thoughts though like I just want to end it all. I really am just so devastated. I wake up in the middle of the night and the realisation hits me and I just start crying again.

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Adora10 · 09/10/2018 10:57

Actually shocked at this thread, I have no idea how you have put up with that for so long OP, only glad you have finally decided enough is enough, what an absolutely foul dirty horrible man he is; he actually seems to get off on the fact that you find out too; oh my god, please forge ahead and get him out your life and bed; let him have his seedy life on the side at least you won't be party to it anymore; one of the worst scenarios I've read on here, utterly despicable what one human can do to another.

Read the divorce topics and get yourself knowledged up, delighted that you are going to have a much happier safer and cleaner life ahead of you, good luck!

Cath2907 · 09/10/2018 15:17

I asked my husband to leave on Saturday. We own a touring caravan so he set that up and moved out yesterday morning. Whilst I know I've made the right decision I feel in shock now. My head is all over the place and every now and then I start crying for no good reason. I told DD last night and she had a good cry (she is only 7 so just told her Daddy had moved out for a bit). I told my parents on the weekend and they were surprised and were really supportive. My plan is:

  • Get up every day and get dressed and get DD to school, kid walked and me to work.
  • Write a list of things I now need to do that DH used to do and I can't count on him doing now (to be honest it isn't a long list which was the issue!)
  • Look at finances and work out what we owe, my incomings (he doesn't work), outgoings, house equity, pension pot etc.. Write it all down and assess how much of what I earn I need on a monthly basis to keep my head above water and what assets I could ditch to clear debts
  • Make an appointment with a solicitor to ask how to go about starting to get divorced and what else I need to do apart from getting finances in order
  • Make sure I spend some time having fun with DD every evening.

That is all I need to do for the next few weeks. The wheels won't fall off the cart for a few weeks if I take the time to get myself sorted.

Have found out that the car (DH was supposed to be maintaining) needs all fluids so tonights new job is to take DD to Halfords to buy oil and antifreeze and to show her how to maintain a car.

Luckily I used to live alone 14 years ago before DH and I was damned good at it so I know I can survive - just need to ride the wave for a bit first!

Good luck riding yours - keep breathing.

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