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Abuse advice, please

38 replies

Fretful · 08/10/2018 21:34

Hello,

I've posted before, asking for opinions on whether my husband's behaviour might be considered abusive or not (last thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3347620-Not-sure-if-abusive-or-not). Apologies in advance, this is a bit long.

Since then, things have escalated. About a month ago, my husband lost his temper with our 7 year old DD over how she was packing her lunch box - they were downstairs and I was upstairs and jumped out of my skin when he shouted. When DD came upstairs to me, I vowed that I would never see that look on my DD's face again - she was distraught, terrified, heartbroken all in one.

That day, I wrote my husband a letter, as he never listens when I try to talk to him. I told him enough's enough and that I thought we should separate. We talked about the content of the letter that night, and his viewpoint shifted from, 'Where would I go?' to, 'Well, I'm not leaving'.

Based on that conversation, he visited his GP the next day, who recommended an app called Mood Gym. She also told him to revisit in a couple of weeks to monitor progress. His second visit was last Wednesday, and he saw a different GP. The second GP asked him more questions, and he admitted that he has grabbed the children in the past and hurt them. Based on this, the GP said she would have to refer to social services.

My husband's mood has been a lot 'better' since I wrote that letter (4 weeks ago tomorrow). However, it has placed me on even more egg shells than normal, as it is such a sudden and profound shift. I don't welcome social services in any way, but thought that if they were involved it might serve as the wake up call he needs to make him see the extent of his behaviour. I still get the feeling that he's trying to shift blame and not take full responsibility for what he's done over the course of nearly 11 years of marriage.

Husband phoned me this afternoon to say that social services phoned him and have decided not to follow up. He claims to have told them everything they should know and was honest with them.

He has asked me for my support to get him through the process he needs to go through to become a better person. I can't. I'm physically and emotionally exhausted. After asking for a separation, to still have him in the house, being weirdly nice and engaged (somehow it doesn't feel wholly natural), I simply can't cope. It still feels all about him, and I don't know what to do anymore.

Sorry for such a splurge. I just wonder if anyone has any advice, or has been through similar. How do I know if he's truly remorseful, or just trying to save face/reputation? He mentioned earlier that he has realised 'what' he stands to lose - I can't help wondering if he should have phrased that 'who' he stands to lose... Am I overthinking?

Ugh, sorry!

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Fretful · 16/10/2018 21:53

biggirlknickers thank you, too, for sharing your story, and I’m glad you had the courage and wherewithal to leave. Yes, it does feel like I need someone to ‘allow’ me to go. Because, for so long, it’s been minimised, even though I know it’s not okay, I do feel I need someone to say it’s ok to go, that it is bad enough to justify going.

I have a friend travelling to see me on Friday now to talk things through with me, which I am very grateful for as she lives a couple of hours away. I think she will be just the right balance of sympathetic and ‘what are you going to do about it?’

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fifithefoof · 16/10/2018 21:58

So glad you have a friend coming. They ha e the distance you need. That family can't always manage for one reason or another.

Desmondo2016 · 16/10/2018 22:25

My ex never abused or hurt the kids, he was just an abusive cock to me. When I (stupidly) got back together with him aftwr a couple years separation he did manage to keep up the nice facade for several weeks. But inevitably it slipped fairly rapidly and when we finally split for good 10 years ago he's gone from bad to worse. Unfortunately, for me, the moral of the story is that if he wanted to be a decent person he wouldn't have been an abusive person in the first place. The nice bit takes effort and he won't be able to sustain it once the dust has settled. Being nice and non abusive should be the natural state and if it's not, it's time to go.

glitterystuff · 17/10/2018 00:14

Dear OP, it's hard for MeV to say this, but here goes...

I was an abuser.

It's been (at least) 10 years since I hurt myself, anyone else, or any inanimate objects, and at least 4/5 since I yelled and bullied anyone...

In my case it was caused by (not excused - there's never any excuse), severe anxiety, depression and PTSD, and I got better by way of counselling, CBT, and medication.

I will take that medication for my entire life if necessary and revisit counselling and CBT whenever necessary also.

People can change.

However, it's not your responsibility to make him feel better about himself or "support" him while he changes.

I was lucky, but if I'd have been cut off by the people affected by my behaviour I'd still have been perfectly capable to change - and more importantly - responsible for changing.

You do not owe him anything. Even if he becomes (and stays) the perfect role model, if too much water has gone under the bridge for you, that's perfectly reasonable and understandable.

He can still work on himself and be a dad (with supervised contact?), without you having to stay with him.

And if anyone calls you a prime bitch then they are not worth your time.

Do what's right for you and your children. Your husband must do what's right too. Just like I had to.

If he's genuine he will continue on the right path regardless of your choice to stay or leave.

Flowers
glitterystuff · 17/10/2018 00:14

*me, not MeV

Forgotmycoat · 17/10/2018 08:28

Op I've read your previous thread when you posted and this one. I think your husband has absolutely done enough to warrant an occupation order. Please look into it.

violetbunny · 17/10/2018 08:58

I think you ought to seek legal advice. Preferably from someone who is experienced in dealing with abusive partners.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/10/2018 09:05

This is what I wrote to you on your previous thread:-

"What do you get out of this relationship now with this individual?. It is telling that although he has said he should leave he has not actually done so. He's getting what he wants out of this which is to boss and otherwise bully you all into submission so stays.

I would call his behaviours towards you all emotionally abusive and such men do not change. You've become inurred to his behaviour, you do not know which way is up and now he's started on your kids as well.

Would you want them to have a relationship like this, no you would not. You do not want such a relationship like this either. It is not good enough for them or for you for that matter".

He is basically now in the nice part of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that cycle is a continuous one. I would second the suggestion made to seek legal advice with a view to divorcing your abuser. Contacting Womens Aid would also be a good idea too.

WellThisIsShit · 17/10/2018 09:36

He sounds horrible. Not much love or contrition in here for you in there? You’re supposed to forgive and cover up for no particular reason other than his manipulation not to become the bad guy. That’s not the actions of a man who deserves to be near you.

With regards to you becoming the bad guy for splitting up... I think you could take the line that he can be this new daddy (this increased niceness/current level of attention) better if you split up.

After all, he only started to act like this after you’d said you wanted to separate. Why would he believe that he can change within the same circumstances as before?

I don’t know, I think there’s something in that somewhere? After you’ve got a line, I’d just keep saying it nicely and firmly with a smile, and not be drawn further.

Flowers
FluffySox · 17/10/2018 17:30

My stepfather used to grab hard.

He dislocated my shoulder once and broke my arm another time. My sister says he broke my arm twice but I only remember the once.

Be strong OP. Good luck.

Fretful · 17/10/2018 21:15

Wow, thank you everyone for replying and sharing your experiences, from both sides. I don’t know any of you, but I really appreciate you replying and offering advice.

I think my next steps will be: talk to a local domestic abuse charity about what help they can offer; speak to local citizens advice to ask about finances and social housing and other rights; see my friend on Friday and see what plans come from that; continue to wait and see what social services do next - they are supposed to visit my older 2 girls at school this week, but haven’t yet.

Thank you again everyone, I am starting to get more clarity - I know I should be getting there quicker but it’s taken me a while to get this far and it’s still scary facing up to all of this.

It’s our anniversary this weekend, and I wonder how much fuss he’ll make.

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Dragongirl10 · 17/10/2018 21:20

Op maybe its time for you to vow to be far away with your lovely DD by the next anniversary......good luck

Fretful · 17/10/2018 21:21

Good plan, dragon, good plan

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