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How do I avoid this? Male friends. LONG!

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ShadyLady53 · 07/10/2018 22:18

I seem to regularly get into this situation with men these days...a grey area where I’m not sure if we are meeting as friends or as more than that.

I work in an industry where networking is really important and it’s quite common to meet up with people individually for coffee or meals and chat over projects, developments, potential future collaboration etc. It’s a very shmoozy industry that I’ve been in since I was a child and I’ve just grown up thinking it’s normal to agree to meet a man for coffee or whatever with absolutely no expectation that it’s a date. I’m beginning to realise that it might be different in the “outside world” and I’m struggling to know when someone might be interested in me romantically or sexually and when it’s literally just meeting up for a chat/catch up. I’ve spent most of my life believing no one would ever want me and I think that doesn’t help either.

5 years ago I ended up in a situation where, outside of work, a male colleague started asking to go out just the two of us most days for lunch and dinner with me (as opposed to eating in the canteen with our other colleagues). He was also always asking to come to the cinema/gigs/theatre with me and if we got a random day off he’d say “hey, wanna go into the city with me?” This went on for almost a year. To cut a long story short I fell completely in love with him. I didn’t tell him because I felt like if he was really into me he would have said something and I was, at that point, terrified that he would hate me for being attracted to him and not want to be around me anymore. I was also worried about the dynamic at work, although it was quite an incestuous workplace and everyone was sleeping with one another!

He easily could have made a move if he’d wanted but he didn’t so I just put it down to unrequited love on my behalf and tried to distance myself but he was always desperate to hang out with me. He was extremely physically affectionate with me and really emotionally opened up to me but the one time he went to kiss me, he stopped himself at the last minute and I was left there with my eyes closed and my lips pouted looking like a complete idiot. I was confused and started turning down opportunities to spend time with him as it hurt so much. The more I pulled away, the more he wanted to spend time just the two of us. At the same time he kept saying he had an online girlfriend and then eventually told me he had booked tickets to go and stay with her for a few months (she lived on the other side of the world). Around that point, we both moved away and never saw each other again. He was quite cold to me when we said goodbye.

I’ve not really been with anyone in the time that’s passed. I’m a bit concerned now though that an acquaintance that I’ve known for several years is getting attached to me but he never explicitly asks me out and I’ve no idea what I’m dealing with! I’m not at all attracted to him and I wouldn’t want to confuse him the way I was by that other guy in the past.

Several years ago I ended up on a day trip with a good friend and some of her friends. This acquaintance was there and I drove half the group there including him. After that, he started texting at occasions like Christmas (several times during the day) and emailing asking if I fancied seeing a particular film with him and a few of the other people from the group. I said no as it was in a city that neither of us lived in (an hour away) and I would have got home after midnight and had work the next day. I explained that I was interested in the film but couldn’t go due to the above reasons. 3 weeks later he text again asking if I’d seen the film. I said no and that it wasn’t on at the cinema anymore! He just replied saying he hadn’t seen it either and that he hadn’t went with the others in the group that night.

More recently he’s regularly been trying to get me involved with certain events and projects that he is also at or involved in. I’ve said yes to a couple but only because I’m interested in the project and not because I want to see him. He started phoning me, under the guise of it being about the “projects” but then talking about himself for ages and never actually mentioning the projects until I asked what he wanted to talk about.

I was starting to feel a bit awkward and like he was reading things into it that weren’t there so I decided the last project I did would be the final one I’d see him at.

Since then he’s been texting and emailing again, mentioning events related to the last project I did (but not directly asking me to go). One of the events he’s mentioned is a three hour round trip and wouldn’t finish until late at night, possibly necessitating an overnight trip. I’m not interested in going and just said that I hope he has a nice time if he goes.

Apart from inviting me to these events or telling me about projects, we do not meet socially unless it’s through a mutual friend, he’s never “flirty” with me and I don’t feel we have a rapport. He’s regularly emailing, phoning and texting though, between 1 and 3 times a week and I do feel he’s trying to initiate opportunities for us to spend time together.

If you’ve got this far, you can probably tell I’m hugely inexperienced with men. I genuinely can’t tell if they are into me or not. I feel it would be really easy for me to end up on a “date” not knowing that it is a date or believe that I am going on a date only to find out it’s not that at all and the man was never interested in me in the first place.

Has anyone got any advice as to how I can know whether a meet up is a date or not?! I don’t want to get my feelings hurt again by stupidly falling for a friend or hurt someone else by inadvertently leading someone on. I’m totally clueless (and bracing myself for a backlash!).

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ShadyLady53 · 07/10/2018 22:32

Oh FFS. After me emailing back saying I won’t be attending the event that’s a three hour round trip, he’s emailed again (3rd email today) and “casually” mentioned 3 future events that he will be attending (none of which I’m interested in!) and said “I hope to see you at something soon x”.

He’s not directly asking me to go with him, just saying “x,y and z are on and I’m thinking of going” so I don’t feel I can say, “I’m so sorry but I don’t feel like we have that kind of connection.”

I also can’t figure out if it’s me that’s being weird or him. He never expresses a direct interest in me, just in things he wants to see or do.

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subspace · 07/10/2018 23:40

Yeah, he's being weird. He's into you, but he won't actually get the nerve to ask you out on a date directly.

If you're definitely not interested in him you could "casually" mention the new guy you're seeing. That's often used as code for back off I'm not interested but I want to save you some face.

Shambu · 07/10/2018 23:45

Has anyone got any advice as to how I can know whether a meet up is a date or not?!

Ask them?

Musti · 08/10/2018 00:03

So do you like him?

With your examples I would say they were definitely interested. I can't see many men making that much effort to see a woman and keep inviting them without being interested. Next time it happens with a man you're interested in, then you should also instigate stuff and be a bit flirty.

MistressDeeCee · 08/10/2018 00:34

Looking for a convenient shag when they're away from home. All nicely condensed within work hours, with added attraction of lots of work away days hotels

Why else wouldn't a grow man just ask you out?

Try to meet a man who isn't a work colleague, you'd be better off.

Scott72 · 08/10/2018 02:41

Why else wouldn't a grow man just ask you out?

Because he's shy, inexperienced, socially immature? That sounds like this is the case for the second man who keeps trying to ask her out. I'm not sure what was going on with the first man who wound up moving away.

ShadyLady you've need to tell him you're not interested in unambiguous terms.

Try to meet a man who isn't a work colleague, you'd be better off.

Yes. Dating work colleagues is just a bad idea on principle.

ShadyLady53 · 08/10/2018 08:26

Thanks everyone.

Mistress, I haven’t slept with either of them and knew/have known them for years...wouldn’t exactly say I was a “convenient shag”. Especially as there were lots of other easier options around if guy 1 had just wanted someone to fuck. I’ve no clue what was going on with him.

Guy 2 isn’t and never has been a work colleague. I’ve never dated a work colleague.

Subspace and Musti, I definitely don’t feel that kind of a connection to guy 2. As Scott72 suggests he’s quite awkward socially and I think very inexperienced despite being in his mid to late thirties.

It’s not like he’s actually directly asking me to spend time on a one to one, so I can’t say “do you mean as a date? Sorry, I don’t see us having that kind of connection.” It would be kind of presumptuous for me to turn around to him out of nowhere and say something like “just so you know, I don’t fancy you!” and he’s never flirty at all so I can’t ask him to stop flirting. I’ve been very careful with my behaviour around him and done nothing to give him any hope so to speak. I’ve also made it clear that I have no free time, which isn’t a lie, but he continues to email or text about events. It’s like he’s expecting me to free up time especially for him, but...I don’t want to and there are other people I’d want to spend time with before him.

I think perhaps I’ve just got to accept that I’m doing all I can and that if he gets hurt, it’s not my fault. I’m not sending out any signals.

I also agree with first guy that I shouldn’t have waited for him to make a move. I definitely flirted back but I could have been bolder.

Long term, I think I’m just scared of looking like a twat if a man suggests coffee and I say “is this a date or just a chat?” As I say, in the industry I work in, its completely normal to go out for a coffee or meal and it not be anything other than a chat.

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DisplayPurposesOnly · 08/10/2018 08:41

The first one was interested but not enough to commit to an actual relationship (possibly due to his online relationship) and was just stringing you along.

Second one is interested but you are not. Just keep saying no. Don't bother with explanations (it's too far, it's too late), just a simple 'no thanks' will do. Otherwise you're giving the impression that if it wasn't too far or too late you'd say yes. Also you may not need to reply at all every single time, eg if he's made a statement ('hope to see you there') and it's the third email of the day, just leave it!

0ccamsRazor · 08/10/2018 08:54

You are under no obligation to reply to man2, you could just have his emails sent to the junk folder.

ShadyLady53 · 08/10/2018 11:13

@DisplayPurposesOnly, I think you are probably right about both guys. Thanks also for the advice about not having to answer every email. Wish I’d read it before replying this morning!

The email I sent basically said I’m scaling back on a lot of social things and projects to prioritise spending time with loved ones on my time off but that I hope he enjoys the events he mentioned. I didn’t really leave it open for a reply. And thanks to you and @0ccamsRazor, I can see that perhaps I don’t really need to acknowledge every email and message.

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