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DM doesn't want to know about DH's controlling behaviour

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sleepingonthesparebed · 05/10/2018 04:06

It's long and detailed, sorry.

My DH can be rather particular about things to the extent that regularly he makes decisions unilaterally about stuff that affects both of us/the whole family without talking through stuff with me or both of us coming to a decision together. This generally relates to financial stuff even though we both contribute to the finances equally. At times it also relates to non financial stuff.

I am utterly fed up of this and have attempted on a number of times to talk to him about this approach and to explain that as far as I'm concerned then it's selfish and controlling and that he needs to work together with me in the future to make decisions together. When it relates to big financial things then not to involve me is bordering on a deal breaker for me. I consider it controlling.

One example is that we are due to renew our mortgage soon. We've spoken about it in general terms but not made a decision yet as to which to go for. He's researched it all and started to make an application online for a new mortgage but only told me about it right at the end when he expected me to just check the details he'd put in about me. He wanted me to click through and approve it but even apart from the fact that this was not even what we had discussed and decided on jointly, he'd got some fairly basic info about me wrong and got cross when I said that I wouldn't just go ahead and do it and I wasn't simply going to sign something that I didn't know anything about or that we haven't properly discussed together, especially something like a mortgage application.

He denies that he is controlling and when i raise stuff like this with him, he tells me I'm over-reacting because I'm over-worked and stressed and tired. To me, this is gaslighting and minimising what he's doing and minimising that he is controlling over these things including finances and the fact that he's trying to get me to sign up to a mortgage that I know nothing about and haven't been involved in decision making over. It's like walking on egg shells and I feel really pushed into a corner.

At the weekend, in front of DM and DC, something completely unrelated came up in conversation between me and DH which resulted in him shouting at me completely out of the blue. He never shouts and we very rarely have any arguments, even discussions about stuff tend to be calm and out of range of the kids. I had felt so tightly wound about the financial thing over the previous few days and his belittling of the situation that this shouting at me really scared me and I shouted back. I don't even remember what I said to him but because of his sudden shouting at me and the drip drip of the financial stuff and his ignoring of it I felt really under threat. DM and DC saw and heard this bit.

I know that I tried to spell out to him that I was shocked by his sudden shouting at me over something that really was so random and unnecessary. I also tried to explain to him that I was feeling under attack not only from his shouting but also the way he's tried to deal with the financial stuff without me.

As predicted DH used this as an opportunity to try and say that this reaction was again because I am over worked and tired (I'm neither of those things) and that I was making a mountain out of a mole hill and so on.

DM has - and I can't believe this even now - apologised to DH on my behalf for shouting back at him. She went and said sorry to him for my reaction. She hasn't been aware until then of the financial stuff or that I feel overly controlled by him or the gas lighting.

I told her that evening after everything had calmed down that she had no right to do that "on my behalf" without knowing the full story from me and that if she did know the story then she wouldn't be apologising.

I tried to explain to her (as much as I could with him and the DC in the house and while trying to put toddler DS into bed) the gist of the financial and controlling and gas lighting situation but she seems adamant that I'm making it up or that I've got the wrong end of the stick.

She seems unable to comprehend that this financial control and minimising of the blame and shouting at me for no reason might be inappropriate. She also doesn't see that she did anything wrong by apologising on my behalf for my reaction to DH.

Whilst DH and I try to work through our own differences about this (another post for another day and god knows where that will lead us), I seem to have a DM who doesn't believe me when I tried to reach out to her for help and tell her I am upset and scared about being in a controlling relationship.

She's since texted me saying that she wants nothing to do with this incident any more and doesn't want to hear me complaining about something which doesn't exist. She refuses to believe that there's anything wrong with DH behaviour.

I feel really let down and isolated. I feel that the person that I could have turned to for help or advice or support simply isn't there for me and also doesn't even believe me when I try and explain the situation. I'm scared that if there really is a DH situation in the future when I might need to call on her for support then she'll not believe me.

So I feel stuck. I have other (limited) support in RL in the event things with DH develop but I'm stuck with the knowledge that my own mother doesn't believe me. I'm tempted to just email her this whole post by way of explanation as I don't think I have the emotional energy at the moment m to sit down and explain it to her face to face, knowing that she too is likely to minimise it and defend DH.

Can someone help me see a way through this with DM? I'm not avoiding the DH stuff as this is being dealt with separately but my current worry is how to get my DM back onside.

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sleepingonthesparebed · 06/10/2018 06:48

Thank you for the range of insights; some more constructive than others. They've given me food for thought.

Nightwatch and Gloomy - I imagine that even if I do seem to know what to do, or if some of these things seem trivial to you, they are very real and upsetting to me and there's not really anyone else I can talk to about this, seeing as DM doesn't want to know and other RL support is not necessarily available. It might not seem much to you but it helps me immensely to pick it apart and talk it through like this and get some perspective m. So do bear that in mind next time.

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sleepingonthesparebed · 06/10/2018 07:07

Adore - yes she does know about it. A little more empathetic than DH but essentially "you're old enough and wise enough to know how to avoid getting pregnant in the first place."

Maybe I am hard work. But I'm still me and still have feelings and need to understand them. I'm trying to keep it (anything) together for the kids and present a brave face but clearly I'm failing at that too.

I also need to feel like DH and are are in a loving understanding relationship and for a whole host of reasons including those already mentioned, I don't think we have that at the moment.

Last night after all the kids were in bed, I went into the lounge to try and talk to him. He looked at me, got up out of his chair, walked straight past me, switched off the light and left the room closing the door behind him. With me in the fucking dark in the middle of the fucking room.

And I'm not allowed to feel angry and scared?
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bastardkitty · 06/10/2018 07:27

You are basically being gaslighted on this thread. Your H shows complete disrespect for you. No one should treat another human being the way he treated you by ignoring you and leaving you standing alone in the dark. You need a counsellor or psychotherapist who understands emotional abuse so you can properly process your feelings and make plans for yourself. It's traumatizing to be treated like this. It's what is often referred to on MN as death by a thousand cuts. Please ignore the people who are encouraging you to doubt yourself - they have an agenda. You know what he is doing to you. It's corrosive to your happiness and state of mind and is no model of a healthy relationship to your children.

FabulousUsername · 06/10/2018 07:33

OP I totally get that your natural reaction to being shouted at was to (due to surprise/shock) shout back and sadly you're now feeling guilty/wrong because of your DMs reaction when it was your DH shouting in the first place that is the real problem.

I was in your shoes so many times in the past and used to come onto Mumsnet, unable to sleep, to forensically describe arguments when I dared to shout back at STBX. I got great help and insight for the most part but what always did sting was someone commenting that I "sounded like hard work"...I think it's your DH who is hard work and I don't imagine he is awake in the night going over things, he's just so sure that he was in the right and it was all your fault that he had to shout at you.

I would be upset about the mortgage issue, not because I hadn't been involved but the way in which he presented it. He is taking your income into account, isn't he? I used to do all of the financial research in my marriage but I'd always explain my findings/recommendation before actually doing the application! I'd feel very taken for granted and insulted in your position.

LizzieSiddal · 06/10/2018 07:38

You need to find a counsellor for yourself. Don’t go to couples counselling with him because he sounds awful. Sort yourself out first.

I also think you may need to talk through the abortion as you said you had it “reluctantly”

FabulousUsername · 06/10/2018 07:40

Agree, cross post with kitty!

What helped me a lot (in addition to Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft) was the book Verbal Abuse by Patricia Evans - verbalabuse.com I think. She describes arguments almost exactly like yours.

It can really help to read up and understand the dynamic of the situation.

Cambionome · 06/10/2018 07:41

Op - you are getting a ridiculously hard time on here.

I was also married to an emotionally distant man who felt the need to control everything. It was hard, hard work and I got out a year ago after 28 years of marriage.

The problem is that men like this tend to get worse as they get older. The shutting you in a dark room makes me wonder about his mental health (either that, or he really just can't stand any disagreement from you at all and you are expected to toe the line at all times). I'm not sure which is worse, but I think you are completely right to insist on expressing your point of view.

Good luck. I think you are going to need it.

Cambionome · 06/10/2018 07:43

Good post from kitty - I think he/she has it.

Swimminguphill · 06/10/2018 07:45

Didn’t want to read and run. I really feel for you OP. No empathy from your mum or partner, which must feel like a bleak place to be. Am govsnacked by both of their responses to the botched abortion. Have you had counselling about that? I think there are places you can go although other posters know more than me.

It doesn’t really matter whether other posters would feel x y or z in your situation, the important thing is that you feel how you do.

My mum is quite unsupportive and would probably have a similar response to these issues to you. However I know she is not normal and I reject her interpretation - it means I would never ever tell her about any of these types of issues because I wouldn’t need the resulting headfuck. I think you need to reassess your relationship with your mum tbh.

On your DH, trust your instinct. If things feel wrong, do listen to that. I actually feel it might help to take a bit of the tension out of the situation rn tbh. My DH doesn’t respond well if he feels cornered. Can you try and have a nice day today? I often take the kids for a long walk when I’m feeling down. It makes me feel better and gives us both some space.

Anyway have some Flowers I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It sounds really hard.

Ignoramusgiganticus · 06/10/2018 07:53

What are you actually frightened of? Do you think he will be violent?

I agree that this is all about communication and counseling will be good.

bastardkitty · 06/10/2018 08:01

Please don't step one foot into counselling with him!

LusaCole · 06/10/2018 08:06

Wow, OP. There is a lot going on in your life at the moment. Honestly, it sounds you have had / are having a very tough time, and your DH probably is too. I agree with posters saying not to worry about your mum's reaction and focus on your marriage. It's a shame she hasn't been more supportive, but the main issue here is your relationship with your husband. Have you got a close friend you could confide in instead? Counselling could definitely benefit you too. Good luck OP.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 06/10/2018 08:18

Thing is, OP, if you've (unconsciously) chosen a man who is abusive, your unconscious choice will have been shaped in some way by the family you grew up in - including the absence of a father figure, and all the reasons behind that.

This is why very often those in abusive relationships are betrayed by their own families when seeking support - so you can feel like you're going mad, you're being unreasonable, or there is no help in sight.

As soon as you can see that they're connected, you can make better informed decisions for yourself.

Shambu · 06/10/2018 08:18

You are basically being gaslighted on this thread. Your H shows complete disrespect for you. No one should treat another human being the way he treated you by ignoring you and leaving you standing alone in the dark.

This.

Shambu · 06/10/2018 08:21

I'm sorry your mother is being so bizarre OP. i think you're just going to have to accept that you can't rely in her in this situation. Pick a couple of friends to confide in and I find a counsellor to see solo, to get support for yourself and figure out the best way forward for you in the marriage.

Shambu · 06/10/2018 08:22

(Or out of it)

bastardkitty · 06/10/2018 08:26

What Dolores said!!!

MrsMozart · 06/10/2018 08:33

I've not RTFT. Just wanted to jump in with some support.

If my DH went ahead with getting that far on a mortgage application, where I hadn't been involved with that final decision (yes he can do the research, but we'd have to have the discussion together and agree that's the one we were going for, unless there were external factors and we'd discuss those, not have a fait accompli handed to me), then he amd I would've been having words for sure. You need to take the emotion out of such actions of his and consider each on its merit at the time. No just agreeing with it to keep the peace, and if he's taken an action then he needs to undo it.

As for your DM, if this isn't her usual type of response, go and talk to her. Find out if something else is going on in her world.

subspace · 06/10/2018 08:34

You are basically being gaslighted on this thread. Your H shows complete disrespect for you

This.

I'm sorry your husband is behaving like this. It's not okay to apply for a mortgage in your (joint) name without you fully understanding and agreeing. It's not okay to shout at you, it's not okay to give you the silent treatment when you want to sort things out with him, and it's not okay for him to walk out of the room and turn the light off and shut the door with you still in it. Fuck. That. Shit.

I'm sorry that your mum isn't being supportive. Maybe what's playing out supports her idea of what marriages are like. Maybe he has charmed her. Maybe she has tendencies for his type odd behaviour. I'm astonished she chose to apologise for you; that's not okay.

I'm sorry quite a lot of the comments on here have blamed and gaslit you. You don't deserve that. Blaming you for shouting back, when you've just been shouted at, in front of the kids... wow. They're right in that you shouldn't have shouted in front of the kids, but to ignore the fact that it was in response to him puts you in some kind of weird 1930s housewife scenario when hello people, it's 2018!

I'm sorry it seems like you're in this alone. Know that a few of us at least, see it for what it is. Xxx

Cawfee · 06/10/2018 08:46

Counselling ASAP for you to work through all of this and then relationship counselling can come later. Lots going on in this post. You feel minimised and ignored and overlooked. You are working and earning but he’s acting like he’s “the main man”. Has he only been like this since you had kids? Firstly, yo don’t need your DM to believe you. I know it’s disappointing but don’t let that influence your feelings. You are the person living your life and she is only seeing a small snapshot of what’s happening. She’s made it clear she doesn’t want to be involved in your relationship so stop talking to her about it. Talk to a counsellor instead. That means she can’t have it both ways though. If she’s not going to support you then don’t answer any questions about it and relegate her to the role of “occasional fun granny”. This is her call. Your her daughter and she should be unconditionally supportive. She’s not so you adjust your relationship with her accordingly. Talk to us instead. We are here 24/7 so you’ve got support. I think your expectations are 100% reasonable. You want to be consulted and involved in the big life decisions. Me too. Surely that’s a basic level of marriage respect. Don’t back down on this expectation. I agree that filling in a mortgage application and just expecting you to approve it is a big red flag. Why he did that, is something you should explore once you’ve got marriage counselling arranged.
The pub thing...honestly, you should have just let him go. You’re turning everything into a battleground understandably because you’re feeling pissed and aren’t getting any resolution but try and stop doing that. A break from each other is probably a good idea. Check him into a hotel for a week and tell him you need space? Living in a pressure cooker is no good for anyone

sleepingonthesparebed · 06/10/2018 10:15

Thank you Cawfee. I needed to hear that about both of them. Have had a quiet little cry in the loo and am feeling a bit stronger. Will investigate counselling for me first. Thanks

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sleepingonthesparebed · 06/10/2018 10:17

Thank you lovelies for being so kind and wading through my life washing when I feel so rubbish at doing it myself and at times can't see the wood for the trees. Aiming for a better day today. Lots to think about. Thank you

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RandomMess · 06/10/2018 10:25

Your DH behaviour sounds like he's trying to but you back on your box. How dare you stand up to him Sad

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