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Family wants nothing to do with me, dh or ds anymore

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colinsmommy · 24/08/2004 15:30

Spent a sleepless night last night. Yesterday my mom called to say that my parents, grandparents and aunt and uncle want nothing more to do with my baby unless we go back to the religion. I guess I knew this was going to happen eventually, but can't figure out why they did this now. I got so mad because they are trying to blame my husband for my going "astray" after pretending to be nice to him for six years. I just can't believe so many people are voluntarily removing themselves from ds's life. He is their only grandchild/great-grandchild. I don't really know why I wrote this, but thanks for reading if you did.

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Aero · 24/08/2004 16:03

Thank-you for posting Intheclosit. That makes it even harder to understand though why cm's family would want things to be this way. Any JW's I've ever come across, I'm sure, would not want to treat their families like this.

soapbox · 24/08/2004 16:03

Well I havae just read the following from the offical JW Watchtower website and it is clear that the church does indeed encourage family members to stop contact with anyone who is disfellowshipped!!

What a horrid situation - I really really do feel for you!

"Cutting ourselves off completely from all association with [my disfellowshipped sister] Margaret tested our loyalty to Jehovah's arrangement. It gave our family opportunity to show that we really believe that Jehovah's way is best."?Lynette.

God certainly realizes that carrying out his righteous laws about cutting off wrongdoers often involves and affects relatives. As mentioned above, when an Israelite wrongdoer was executed, no more family association was possible. In fact, if a son was a drunkard and a glutton, his parents were to bring him before the judges, and if he was unrepentant, the parents were to share in the just executing of him, 'to clear away what is bad from the midst of Israel.' (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) You can appreciate that this would not have been easy for them. Imagine, too, how the wrongdoer's brothers, sisters, or grandparents felt. Yet, their putting loyalty to their righteous God before family affection could be lifesaving for them.

Recall the case of Korah, a leader in rebellion against God's leadership through Moses. In his perfect justice, Jehovah saw that Korah had to die. But all loyal ones were advised: "Turn aside, please, from before the tents of these wicked men and do not touch anything that belongs to them, that you may not be swept away in all their sin." Relatives who would not accept God's warning died with the rebels. But some of Korah's relatives wisely chose to be loyal to Jehovah, which saved their lives and led to future blessings.
?Numbers 16:16-33; 26:9-11; 2 Chronicles 20:19.

Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God's judgments and the congregation's action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue.

The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man."
?1 Corinthians 5:11.

Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God, as stated by the sister quoted on page 26. Anyone who is feeling the sadness and pain that the disfellowshipped relative has thus caused may find comfort and be encouraged by the example set by some of Korah's relatives.
?Psalm 84:10-12.

Mosschops30 · 24/08/2004 16:06

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soapbox · 24/08/2004 16:06

In fact - I have never been a JW but have a close friend who has. I use the I am disfellowshipped line any time they caome to teh door flogging the Watchtower magazine - suffice to say that the shock on their faces and the ensuing speed of their departure is hilarious to observe!!

soapbox · 24/08/2004 16:08

Should be clear - I don't say it when my friend comes to the door, but when the usual JWs come round. Hvaen't seen them for a while - think I must have made it onto the 'don't bother her' list!

Twinkie · 24/08/2004 16:09

Its gets easier losing family, time will heal and at some point in their sad little bitter and twisted lives they will realise what they have missed out on - hopefully at a time when you are still willing to forgive them for being so narrowminded and allow them back into your family.

God it all makes me so cross!!

Sorry what an utter load of bollocks - to me believing in something that keeps you away from the people you love and who make you happy as something as anal as a test of your commitment is ludicrous - not very loving giving forgiving supportive etc (to me what religeon is supposed to be!!)

colinsmommy · 24/08/2004 16:09

No, Fio2, I'm in America. But you sound lovely, and too bad I don't know you.

For the record, I'm not disfellowshipped. I just left on my own accord. My intention is not to turn this into a religous bashing, just venting about my confusion. Maybe I shouldn't have done this.

I am thoroughly confused as to why they are using the religion as an excuse, because I know they aren't supposed to have extensive contact with me, but they manage to have contact with my grandma's brothers and their family (who aren't witnesses) when they are in town.

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anorak · 24/08/2004 16:16

Perhaps they think it will make you come back to the religion.

soapbox · 24/08/2004 16:17

Collinsmommy - I think from reading further down the section on the website it also covers people who have disassociated themselves - which would probably cover your situation.

I'm sorry if it came across as religion bashing

I really do hope you can find a way of reloving this but it is going to take some movement from them and that may take time.

soapbox · 24/08/2004 16:18

resolving not reloving!!

colinsmommy · 24/08/2004 16:23

No, Soapbox, wasn't saying anything personal about anyone, I was just trying to let it be known that the intent of my post wasn't intended to stir up feelings against the religion, it was just coming from confusion and hurt over the family.

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Twinkie · 24/08/2004 16:26

Sorry just my natural reaction to vent anger at the organisation that expects people to be unhappy to follow their beliefs!!

joanneg · 24/08/2004 16:27

colinsmommy - I really feel for you. I was cut off from certain members of my family for a while and I know how hurtful it is. COuld this be a way that they see of sort of emotionally blackmailing back into their faith? Do you think that in reality they will go through with this? In other words is it just an idol threat?

I think it is all made worse because of your ds and the feeling that they are cutting him too. What an awful situation.

If they do cut you off I think the way in which you should deal with it is to surround yourself with as many happy and positive people that you can. You, dh and ds are a family now - you dont need them if they cut themselves off. And although this will be sad take solice in the joy of your little family.

They are the ones who will miss out. If they cut you off one day they will realise and regret their choice. Especially when time has flown and your ds is older they will miss out on so much. So they will be the losers. (((hugs)))

Blu · 24/08/2004 16:27

How old is you little boy, Colinsmummy? Is this going to be painful to explain to him?

colinsmommy · 24/08/2004 16:31

He just turned one, so I don't have to explain now, but don't know what to do when he gets older. I can tell him that they love him, but don't know how he will understand that if they won't have anything to do with him.

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JJ · 24/08/2004 16:37

colinsmommy, huge huge hugs to you and your wonderful family. So sorry to hear that this has happened.

mez75 · 24/08/2004 16:58

colinsmommy I feel really sorry for you . I don't know much about Jehovah's Witnesses faith, but I find it hard to understand how people can cut off family members if they don't have the same beliefs? (((hugs)))

Fio2 · 24/08/2004 17:02

colinsmummy, it seems like an excuse to manipulate you back into the JW, maybe? I would let them stew for a few weeks, you never know they might regret what they have done, which I think they will, and get in touch

gothicmama · 24/08/2004 17:04

I agree with fio2 or possible if taht fails you could perhaps send 'photos oncwe a year to them near to birthday time or new year or something

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Miaou · 24/08/2004 18:51

colinsmommy, just read this, and am so sad for you. I felt I have got to know you well (remember the 1000 post thread?) and know that you are a great person with a lot to offer. I have no experience to offer and no advice that hasn't already been mentioned, but just wanted to send you big hugs from me.

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lulupop · 24/08/2004 19:07

My goodness, how horrible this must be for you Colinsmommy. I don't know a lot about JWs but I know some can be strict to the point of total blinkered vision about it. I think any religion which forces you to exclude everything else is fundamentally wrong. I'm so sorry you've been through this as it's always upsetting to lose contact with family.

My own experience is non-religious, but suffice to say that after several years of strained relations, my in-laws recently chose to pull the plug in a really vile way. After the birth of our second child, they went apeshit because MIL hadn't been invited down to visit us quickly enough ( we asked her the day I got home from hospital), and so she just didn;'t bother to call or come on the day we HAD agreed. Then we got a letter from BIL stating, among other things, that DH was a selfish person and had been poisoned against them by me (not true), that he hoped DH's "attitude" was related to the "difficulties in your marriage", and that he hoped I would bond better with our new baby as I had never bonded properly with DS, who as a result was "obese, developmentally retarded, and clingy as she makes him insecure to gratify her own needs".

This from a man who at nearly 40 is unable to admit he is gay, and has only met DS twice!

On the positive side, it does mean I feel no more guilt at not bothering with any of them. Just feel desperately sorry for DH that his family have been so vile, as we are all he has now.

Acrimonious separation is horrible, but as others have said, it will get easier and at the end of the day, you have not forced your family into any choice, they have imposed it on themselves. That they will not see their beautiful grandchild/children any more is their loss. My thoughts are with you. Hugs.

colinsmommy · 24/08/2004 21:51

Thanks all for your support and help in making me calm down a little bit. You are all a great bunch. Just got a semi-nasty call from my Aunt, but able to put it more in perspective. I just need to focus on all the wonderful people we have in our lives now, and think how fortunate we really are to have so many people who care about Colin no matter what.

Miaou-how could I forget THAT thread?

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edam · 24/08/2004 22:17

Really sorry to hear about this Colinsmommy, it is so sad. Dh's mother's parents converted to JW when she was small and it has caused huge problems. MIL never joined the religion, but her (younger) brother did. Although she's still very friendly with her brother, I know it caused a lot of resentment between MIL and her parents, sadly. And means we don't see much of dh's cousins or their families. His mother's family wouldn't come to our wedding, for instance, which was sad for MIL.
I really do struggle with any religion that seeks to separate parents and children, tbh.
Really glad your in-laws are so supportive, at least Colin has family on that side to appreciate how wonderful he is.