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Should we have a trial separation / break up / go to counselling?

7 replies

ThePartyArtist · 25/09/2018 12:11

I don't know what to do.

Been with my husband for 14 years, married for 4. We have an 18 month old.

Over the years, throughout our relationship, DH has displayed abusive behaviour. Very early on he'd hurt himself, bang his head on the floor, wail and cry. He called it panic attacks and was deeply apologetic afterwards, every time. It took me a long time to realise it wasn't that, it was abusive behaviour.

The turning point was when we were engaged; an argument came out of nowhere and escalated into him preventing me leaving the room, holding onto my legs, screaming at me, slamming the door hard enough to damage the wall etc. I spent 2 nights at my friend's house and returned to find him deeply apologetic again. I almost called off the wedding. He pursued various therapy which in retrospect was not the right thing, e.g. stress management.

Just over a year ago, this behaviour surfaced again for the first (or first I can remember) time since the incident described above. So it had been about 3 years since it last happened. This time the baby was in the room, DH perceived me to be being critical of him and grabbed the baby and ran out of the room completely out of control, hitting the baby's head on the wall in the process (unintentionally). The baby was fine but I was deeply distressed. I was so close to ending our relationship. I gave him an ultimatum that there must be no more violent behaviour (he easily agrees to this) and no more shouting (this is the sticking point - he always says he wasn't shouting / I'm being too soft / he couldn't get his point across otherwise but eventually he seemed to get it and agree). We went to Relate who refused to give us joint counselling because they termed it domestic violence. He felt conned by them doing this, but I understood the reasons. At Relate's suggestion, he self referred to a domestic violence perpetrators programme run by Barnardos. He's almost done it before but wriggled his way out, saying they are all bad men and he's not like them. Anyway, this time he stuck it out and attended for 9 months on a weekly basis. I noticed a significant change, he was so much calmer and in control of his emotions. Our relationship felt like it really improved and I felt he was being a great dad.

However at the weekend, he got stressed parking the car and used it as an excuse to shout again. He was behaving erratically with how he handled the car, and berating me and raising his voice. I repeatedly asked him not to and reminded him our toddler was in the car and must not be subject to this. Once we'd parked he continued to berate me in the street, I got our toddler out of the car and walked to our friends' house and I knew he'd stop once they were with us. He shouted at me down the street that he wanted to have a conversation, can we make up etc. but he was so aggressive still that I knew it would only escalate. Two hours later on the way back from our friends' I reminded him of his promise about no shouting which he'd broken. He became aggressive again and I had to drop the conversation because he couldn't safely drive whilst being like that. We agreed to a civil conversation after our child was in bed.

That night, we said we'd have a 5 min chat before bed. It turned into an hour and a half of arguing and crying, perhaps we should split up, perhaps we should go to counselling together etc. etc. The next day (yesterday), I couldn't go to work. I was having panic attacks and crying hysterically. I felt my world was falling apart. I took the day off and spent 3 hours chatting to a friend, a Relate counsellor online, and someone at Women's Aid. I feel like every time I'm getting to breaking point before he realises the seriousness of this. On the day it happened he was minimising his behaviour, saying he'd done so much on this therapy; it wasn't as bad as before; I was over reacting; I've shouted at him before etc. etc. Only when I took the day off and told him I had told work we might be having time apart did he see the seriousness.

We are going to speak face to face today. He has been in touch with the domestic violence programme he attended and asked his counsellor if we can go to see her together - which Women's Aid have warned me not to do, because it'll make it our problem rather than his. I don't know what to do. I need to show him that breaking that ultimatum has a consequence but I don't know what. I am considering a trial separation but I can't get my head round it. I'm so exhausted I can't think how the logistics would work or what it'd achieve or how to not disrupt our toddler through it. I have told him I'm going to Women's Aid counselling to look at my options - I think that'll give him a shock. Is that enough of a consequence for his actions? Do i need to go to a friend's overnight to prove a point? I just don't know what to do.

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 25/09/2018 12:53

You need to leave!!
Please speak again with Womens Aid and get some recommended counsellors and attend some sessions on your own.
You need to understand why you are accepting this behaviour.
Why you have put up with it all for years.
And NO NO NO again, do not go to joint counselling!
If he has to do another DV course then you should not be together anyway, while he is going through it all.
That is never recommended either.
What does separation look like?
Do you want your DD to grow up and find a man just like your DH?
Because she will as this will be her normal.
Protect her from the cycle of abuse.
Protect yourself.
Get out as quickly as possible.
Womens Aid can help you with an exit plan.

Heidimay · 25/09/2018 13:00

Please please leave this relationship straight away. You've got people in positions of responsibility and authority telling you it's domestic violence, there's no way this can continue. I'm sure you were hoping someone would have an alternative suggestion to fix it but there's no other option. You can't be at risk like this and you can't live like this, it's no life for anyone putting up with such horrific behaviour. Ask people like Women’s Aid for their help and take it. They were great when I needed their help.

Aquamarine1029 · 25/09/2018 13:09

This is simply horrible. Your husband is a fucking lunatic. Your only option is to leave him and I suggest you do so as quickly as possible.

ThePartyArtist · 25/09/2018 13:27

I don't know how to, where do I start? I work full time, have a toddler, no family within hundreds of miles. I don't even know how separation works in practical terms or how you do it.

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Aquamarine1029 · 25/09/2018 13:51

Go to a solicitor as soon as possible. They can give you the advice you need.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/09/2018 14:00

DV courses rarely if ever are successful and such things really do have high reoffending/failure rates. He feels entitled to act as he has done here and he feels he has done nothing wrong.

Do not tell him any more of your plans; this is not necessary and you've told him more than enough already. You certainly cannot let your son grow up thinking that yes, this is how women are treated in relationships.

Listen to Womens Aid and engage fully with them in getting you out of this abusive situation. TBH I think you should actually go into a refuge with your child now.

You need to seek legal advice asap with a view to divorcing your abuser. Joint counselling with abusers is never advisable anyway because of the abuse that has been and continues to be meted out against you.

Did you yourself grow up seeing alcoholism and or familial violence; what drew you to such a person in the first place?. Those are questions you are going to have to ask yourself as well.

Adora10 · 25/09/2018 14:04

Can't believe you stayed with him after he injured your child; i think his abuse and physical assaults have become your norm; I dread to think what will happen next, please dear god contact womens aid and get your family and friends to help you leave this complete cunt of a man; yes he needs help but he hasn't sought out any, he'd rather put you and your baby at risk of death and no I'm not exaggerating.

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