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Please help, I cant see the wood for the trees.....

106 replies

FrancisUnderwood · 22/09/2018 21:41

Please help, I'm really struggling to make sense of what has happened to me over the last 4 months, I feel broken and confused, i'll try to be as concise as I can.

4 months ago I met a man and we hit it off almost away, my age (37), similar hobbies, interests and humour. Although I had previously been of the thought that I was happily single and had all my life ducks in a row, he blew me away.
Within 2 weeks i'd met his parents, his children, there was talk of engagements, living together and potential children of ours. All my friends said it was crazy fast, and I knew it was, but it was utterly intoxicating to be so wanted. I fell hard and fast.

Within 3 weeks he'd called my boss (without my knowing) and arranged my time off work to go on holiday with him and his son, without consulting me first.
I was 50/50 as to whether this was absolutely insane/controlling or a deeply romantic gesture but for the first time in my life I thought i'd found The One.

Once I was on holiday with him, things changed. He'd ignore me for long periods of time while he played on his phone, he took his phone everywhere with him, but always had it on silent and spent several hours a day in the toilet on it. He wouldn't look at it if I was in sight of the screen. I spoke to him about the phone thing and he said it was his holiday and he was entitled to relax as he wished. Not wanting to be a nagging girlfriend I eventually took myself off for walks around the area to enjoy the country we were in. His entire attitude to me changed too, he became very cold and quite cruel in some ways, there was no affection, no sex, no hand holding, nothing. He would tease me till the point of tears if he saw it was affecting me in any way. He could be similarly cruel to his DS too, at times, in a strange way of persuing a line of questioning on something really banal until the DS was very, very upset. He seemed to enjoy it.
Once we got back I told him how I felt, and why and he said that nothing was insurmountable as long as two people loved each other, so we tried again.
I would stay at his some nights and some nights come back to mine, I found out that on the nights I was at mine he would have a female friend over. I asked why she never 'popped round' while I was there and he couldn't give me an answer, it transpires she'd been an internet date he had had a fling with earlier this year. That omission bothered me somewhat and we had words.
He's become increasingly cold and cruel, telling me he doesn't want to do the things I want to do and wants to do his own things (I've never imposed any activity upon him, but have had to keep a strict schedule of attending endless gatherings of his).
He keeps telling me about his terrible temper.
I wanted him to meet my parents this last weekend and he hung around the house forever in his dressing gown knowing we were scheduled for 12:00, playing on his phone before announcing at 12:00 that he needed to have lunch first and proceeded to start cooking. I was just astounded and rescheduled, but still took him to meet them several hours late.
While I was waiting I decided to de-limescale the kettle, he asked what I was doing and looked at me as if he hated me, it was horrible. I was wearing his jumper and he made a big song and dance about me taking it off as he wanted to wear it, then, once I had, put another one on instead.
We went to a festival over the weekend and a very drunk friend of his pulled me to one side and told me he'd told her that he was taking his Ex to it instead of me. When I told him what she'd said he was angry at ME and we had to come home early, ive honestly never had someone look at me with such hatred in their eyes.
He sent a message to a group chat I'm in (his friendship group) saying I wouldn't be attending another event scheduled for Christmas and then backtracked when he realised i'd seen it and said he meant his DS. He didn't.
The climax of all this came this weekend when a girl started to ring him and he'd reject the calls, he then went out to pick his son up (a 15 min drive) and was out an hour and a half, he said he'd called her back while he was out but she was just a customer. He told me about her husband and kids, their cars and life etc and I believed him.
On Monday I found out she was another 'ex', the one the drunk friend had told me about and was, in fact, very single. He'd lived with her not 6 months previous. I hit the roof and called him a liar, then called it off.
He hasn't said much only that he's not lied and she's just a customer wanting work done.

I'm broken. When I said I loved him, I meant it. He's completely changed towards me, blocked me on everything and gone cold as ice. 3 months ago I was his world.
I'm feeling such dissonance between the man I fell for and whoever this man is.....please help. I'm so lost.

(Please be gentle, i'm really very delicate at the moment.)

OP posts:
lovemenot · 23/09/2018 14:49

An overt narcissist......count your blessings he showed his true colours as early as he did.

Mine was covert, death by a thousand cuts. Took a long time for his true personality to come through. 18 years of covert control disguised as love.

Keep reading and researching honey, you’ll get through this.

twilightsaga · 23/09/2018 22:23

Classic narcissist

Dadaist · 24/09/2018 01:02

Stay away from this dangerous narcissistic bastard.
OP - the only way to rid yourself is to cut him out of your life completely. It hurts like hell because they come into your life as wonderful and amazing and you long for that person and that feeling and that relationship. And you grieve the loss of that magic time. But - big BUT - it s not real.
Some creatures are seductive and solitary. Snakes don’t need friends. There is nothing good for you in this man - and you can only free yourself by having no contact whatever - ever. Good luck OP x

bluebell34567 · 24/09/2018 08:13

is there anyway you can avoid passing infront of his home?

Queenofthedrivensnow · 24/09/2018 08:18

He is insane. It's him not you. Massive hugs

Sicario · 24/09/2018 08:35

He's an arsehole. You have been conned - which is a horrible feeling - nobody wants to feel like a fool. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Treat yourself to something nice this week! Sending hugs.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/09/2018 13:30

Please contact Womens Aid and do their Freedom Programme ASAP!
You missed and ignored a whole TONNE of red flags here and ploughed on into this toxic relationship.
Please take your time to learn about boundaries, red flags, etc.....

Hissy · 24/09/2018 13:49

You just have to keep moving on OP, one foot in front of the other, keep him blocked and out of your life.

He is a VERY dangerous man. What he has or doesn't have Narc or insane or whatever is completely irrelevant.

He is WRONG for you, and will harm you if you allow him close.

Yes this will take a while for you to get over, but it's a good learning exercise too.

when someone is rushing you the way he was, there's a reason for it, he wants to trap you and lock you in. The reason varies, but trust me, it's because he knows on some level that if you took the time to think, you'd dump him. BECAUSE HE IS GENUINELY AWFUL.

Disengage asap, change your number if at all poss, and don't give him so much as a postage stamp of space in your life.

FrancisUnderwood · 24/09/2018 19:01

Thank you everyone for all your replies. The links are truly chilling to read. I still feel knocked sideways and people who have seen him since our split have said he is absolutely fine, normal, like no one would know, which is especially hard to hear. I keep reading your replies and they're helping enormously.

OP posts:
bluebell34567 · 24/09/2018 21:43

because he has no heart. please dont waste any minute for him, switch back where you were 4 months ago and continue like it never happened.(maybe easy to say than done, sorry, but try)

rememberatime · 24/09/2018 23:01

I married a man like this and he destroyed me. It took me 18 years to get away. I have needed 5 years of therapy to get over it and I still suffer with anxiety and possibly ptsd... A short counselling course really might help you to understand how you feel now and to feel safer. my children were also harmed. One suffers with anxiety and the other with PTSD every time she hears his voice. Please do what you can to protect his children from him - that will be something good that has come from this.

TheCakeDiet · 25/09/2018 08:37

If it helps, remember that what you are mourning/missing isn't even real. You are grieving for a relationship with a character that he created specifically to trap you. That man doesn't actually exist. That's tough to swallow but it is the truth. HE DOESN"T EXIST. And the mask was slipping already....

Namethecat · 25/09/2018 08:47

He sounds just like a man my friend got involved with a year or two ago. It didn't end well . ( He is known by a nickname,lives in the South east, and had a house built at around the same time - just in case he might be the same man 😧 )

FrancisUnderwood · 25/09/2018 17:38

@Namethecat We're in the NW and I don't think he has any links to the SE so probably not. I'm sorry for what your friend went through.

Yes, I can avoid driving by his house and have done, however, our departments overlap at work and I sometimes have to see him once or twice a week. Today was one of those days.
He made a bee line for me to tell me about his weekend and the activities he'd been upto, even showed me a video on his phone. I tried to be bright and breezy and after 10 mins or so had to make my excuses to leave.
It wasn't horrific, just heart wrenching.

OP posts:
FrancisUnderwood · 25/09/2018 17:40

They were activities we'd once enjoyed doing together....

OP posts:
mummmy2017 · 25/09/2018 17:47

He is like a weed, he will want to pull you back into his mess, please don't let him.
You deserve so much more than him.

4seasons · 25/09/2018 18:06

Why on earth did you feel you had to be pleasant to him when he was talking about his weekend? If he tries this again just keep an impassive expression on your face and say ... “ I’m really busy , excuse me but I need to talk to ( insert any name of another colleague).... then walk away . If he comes back with any comments simply tell him calmly that you aren’t interested in what he does anymore. This man is a deeply unpleasant human being. Cut him off and cut any conversation dead. It’s what he deserves.

umpteennamechanges · 25/09/2018 18:21

To be honest the best approach to him telling you about his weekend is actually to look at him like he's something horrible you picked up on your shoe - complete disdain and then pretend you can't hear him.

This man is like a disease. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you and everything wrong with him. You're far, far, far too good for him and you need to remember that.

elephantsegypt · 25/09/2018 19:18

OP - i was in an awful relationship like this. i look back on it now and dont even consider it a relationship. he was all over me in the first few weeks, i was the best thing ever, all he had ever wanted, presents, being utterly reasonable and understanding, patient, caring.

then he turned into a monster. i was constantly criticised, he didnt make time for me, the list went on.

the thing was, he wasnt ALL bad. he could be charismatic, suddenly giving me glimpses of the 'original' him. that kept me hanging on and worst of all, i blamed myself. i thought i had turned him into that, i thought i had ruined the relationship.

all i can say OP is that within 2 weeks of it being over, i began to see what an awful person he was. a month later i barely even thought of him. but days after it ended, i was crying my eyes out blaming myself.

it takes time to step back and see how terrible it was. you will get there. we all read your posts and it almost seems crazy you even feel sad he is gone. but i was you, i get it. you are blinded by the whirlwind.

PLEASE remember that there are people in this world that will not do that to you and that you deserve that. you cannot change him - this took me forever to accept and believe - and someone who can be so cruel and you have seen him be that way with his own kids too... honestly, you know deep down this is for the best.

PM me if you like. stay strong!!

MarthasGinYard · 25/09/2018 23:54

'He made a bee line for me to tell me about his weekend and the activities he'd been upto, even showed me a video on his phone.'

Fucking hell Op

He's awful

Thinking of you Thanks

Beamur · 26/09/2018 07:04

He's a nasty piece of work. Stay strong and avoid engaging with him!

AlaskaSometimes · 26/09/2018 09:04

Avoid and ignore. Don’t try to be bright and breezy. He will enjoy toying with you and forcing you to sit through these interaction. Excuse yourself coldly and move away.

Don’t drive past his house. Don’t engage with ANY discussions about him with your friend group. At all. Stop people immediately if they start to discuss him. Don’t find out what he is up to. It doesn’t matter.

He is dangerous for you. Seriously. Treat this as a potentially life threatening danger. Read back some of the big threads on here in the past from women who have been trapped in relationships with men like this. Narcissist men who almost destroyed them.

Don’t let yourself fall in love with someone before you even know them. It is a huge danger sign.

You are doing so well and soon you will wake up astounded at your close call. You are doing so well. Keep posting if you need strength. But don’t show him any weakness as he will thrive on it.

MarthasGinYard · 26/09/2018 09:07

Shut him down.

Take back your power

Hard but do able

beenandgoneandbackagain · 26/09/2018 09:17

'He made a bee line for me to tell me about his weekend and the activities he'd been upto, even showed me a video on his phone.'

What a horrible, horrible man. He knows exactly what he is doing and what he hopes to achieve.

I agree with the previous posters about politely dismissing him if he approaches at work. Men like him are masters at creating the perfect hook for each situation, so the only thing you can do to protect yourself is to keep as far away from him as possible and actively disengage from him every time he approaches. Be warned, he may see this as a challenge - do not be afraid to approach HR and tell them you were in a relationship which you do not want to pursue if he continues to harass you.

MrsMozart · 26/09/2018 09:41

Bloody hell lass. He's barking mad!

Pick up your heart and run.