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Situation when ex collected kids - shaken

18 replies

Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 15:33

Split 1 year ago from ex, he has our dc (6 & 3) to sleepover at his sometimes at the weekend (no fixed arrangements, amicable so far). Before and during our drawn out split (affair on his part) he turned Jekyll & Hyde a lot, would lose his temper and throw stuff, when he’s in a rage he can say anything. He can be a bully, no doubt. He’s been really settled since the storm of the split passed, more patient with the kids, they love going to stay. But today, I feel like a whirlwind just happened and I need some perspective on what happened and how I dealt with it.
He arrived to pick them up. I was outside messing with the car seat, as something had jammed. Suddenly I heard crying and shouting, ds (6) was upset, ex was shouting that he wouldn’t take him if he didn’t do what he was asked. I managed to clarify - ex (other nationality) wanted him to say a phrase in his language, dd had repeated it, ds said he didn’t want to. For some reason ex had escalated this situation by throwing an ultimatum and ds was now crying and upset. I tried to calm the situation “does it matter if he says it” etc, ex: “I said he should so he has to!” ex was over irate now and pointing at ds saying nasty things, “this is all your fault” etc, saying he was taking dd, but not ds. I became cross and said to ex no need to speak to ds like that, this is a non situation, he’s not a performing monkey, why are you spoiling his day with you...I then spoke to ds asking why he didn’t want to say phrase, he said he was worried it was rude (ex has form for teaching them rude phrases in second language) I explained this to ex, but things then got a little weird, as ex got angrier, saying no way was ds coming if he refused to repeat. Trying to grab dd and put her in the car “He’s stubborn, blah blah, he needs a kick in the head” (ds is stood through all this crying) at that I stepped in and said no ones going now, I won’t let you speak to him like that. I herded kids back in the house and he pushed his way in. I asked him to leave, he refused and told me to call the police on him, if I really wanted to go down that route... Said it was my fault for not standing up for his parenting. I said it was not a discipline issue, it was a non issue, it should have not got to that stage. He shouldn’t be speaking to his son like that. Ex knocked a toy over in anger. I honestly can’t rememer what went next but suddenly he’s hugging ds and saying sorry. Then it’s over. Ds is desperate to go with his dad, they rush out and jump in the car, I try and hug ds and make sure he’s ok but he just wants to go. I just stand by and let them drive off, I have no idea how it all escalated, how it de-escalated. I feel utterly powerless. I tried to stand up for my son as ex was being utterly horrible for no reason, but I somehow failed and made it worse.
They’ve called after they drove off, ex apologised to me on speaker and said they chatted and made up. I spoke to the kids, they are cheerful and excited about where they’re going, but I’m at home shaking and can’t understand what I should have done to handle this. I feel like I don’t know up from down.

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Guiltypleasures001 · 22/09/2018 15:37

Sorry to,hear this op

Ide be a tad worried at what he was trying to get the kids to say? It's a bit weird this say this statement in this language ? Ide be worried it was something horrible,about mummy

Allthepinkunicorns · 22/09/2018 15:43

Personally I would have called the police and told him to do one. He threatened to kick your sons head in, no way does he deserve to see your ds. What if your ds doesn't behave when your not there what would your ex do then.

Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 15:43

Thank you, no it wasn’t anything like that, I can’t translate exactly but just a silly throwaway phrase, they were obviously all just chatting inside while I was outside and somehow it became a stand off between ds and his dad. Ds isn’t keen on speaking the language anyway so doesn’t like repeating.

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Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 16:03

That’s my instinct from the behaviour Allthepinkunicorns, it was disgusting to hear. I have no idea what would have happened though if I called the police. I’m not sure how to deal with his contact going forward.

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Thebluedog · 22/09/2018 16:08

The threatened to kick your ds in the head? That is way beyond getting angry and annoyed

Mrskeats · 22/09/2018 16:10

‘He needs a kick in the head’
Wow. I would be very concerned by this.

Doyoumind · 22/09/2018 16:20

OP I think you really need to assess what your relationship was like and what he's like. Have you unintentionally been minimising his behaviour? The way he spoke and acted is not acceptable for anyone. He reminds me of my ex who was very threatening and abusive in many ways but not physically. It took someone else to point out to me he was an abuser.

He's now got your children either feeling too scared to say no or thinking he's done nothing wrong and it's fine to act that way. It won't be clear exactly what they are thinking unless you probe.

Unfortunately it is very difficult to do anything to deal with how he behaves with your children, even involving the legal system. Next time he pulls anything like this do make a point of calling the police even if it's afterwards. It will help to build up evidence of his behaviour.

It's also best to have a more formal agreement about when contact will take place and I wouldn't have him coming into your house.

Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 16:35

Thank you doyoumind, I think you are right. I know he is verbally abusive, he has said vile things in a rage to me many times. I think I am desensitised as he says it’s ‘just words’ he doesn’t mean it, but I’m aware of what’s unacceptable behaviour which is why I tried to put my foot down this afternoon, and stop him taking them after he acted like that. But I couldn’t somehow follow through and now he’s apologised it’s all brushed away. And I’m left wondering if I made it worse with what I said, if I was right to challenge him in front of the kids, and how on earth I can protect them from this.

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Maelstrop · 22/09/2018 17:01

With that level of verbal aggression/threats, I’d be making him go through the courts. Contact centre, maybe, unless he calms the fuck down.

Doyoumind · 22/09/2018 17:20

Sadly, Maelstrop based on my own experience and what I've heard from others the court would be unlikely to limit contact or order it to take place in a contact centre based on what the OP has said.

I think he would pursue this through the courts and get standard contact arrangements.

rageymcrageface · 22/09/2018 17:25

I'd be keeping in close contact while he has the kids this weekend. It's quite strange that he managed to de-escalate and get the kids on board so quickly and call you to say all was fine.

Aprilshowersnowastorm · 22/09/2018 17:29

My exh used to threaten to put ds through a window when he was naughty.
Ds has massive anger issues as an adult now.

Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 21:47

Thanks for all input, I have been in contact a few times, I can tell he is in ‘contrite’ mode. Seems all is well with dc tonight. Once I have them back I’ll make it clear how unacceptable this incident was and must never happen again. I need to talk to ds about it somehow too. What you’ve said about your ds is a huge fear April, I know my ex is mirroring his own dad too. Hope your ds can get some help.

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Doyoumind · 22/09/2018 21:58

Bendy if you tell him in person or on the phone send an email to confirm it. You need back up evidence for everything. Contrite means nothing. If he was truly sorry this wouldn't happen again. It will.

I have a problem with my DC picking up behaviours. It's a big worry and a challenge but I am very clear on what is ok in my house and what is not, whatever happens when they are with ex.

Bendypencil · 22/09/2018 22:25

Thanks Doyoumind Flowers

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Blondebakingmumma · 23/09/2018 06:42

How awful! Can you email him saying “it’s not on the threaten kicking ds’s head in. If it happens again the children will not be leaving with you and I will be calling the police”. That way he knows you are standing your ground and there is written evidence xx

MysteriousQuinn · 23/09/2018 10:51

Good grief! I have to admit that I can lose my temper with dc's sometimes and (very regrettably) said a few unpleasant things in anger but saying that ds 'needs a kick in the head' is seriously crossing the line. If anything like that happens again then call the police straight away, show him that his behaviour is serious and completely unacceptable.

Aprilshowersnowastorm · 23/09/2018 11:15

Op my ds has had lots of therapy, he is 26 and now self harms.
Get out op, you need to protect your ds.
For now keep a diary, of both their behaviours- should you need legal intervention at some point.

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