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Just something men do?

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CleverQuacks · 16/09/2018 16:46

Before starting I should say (so as not to drip feed) that I have borderline personality disorder which means I can struggle with relationships. This therefore may be impacting on my understanding of the below and so I am looking for other opinions.

When I was 17 I was in an abusive relationship for nearly 2 years. This was my first relationship. He was physically and emotionally abusive and isolated me from all my friends and family.

During this relationship he used to touch me sexually whilst I was sleeping. Due to having BPD I struggle to sleep and regularly take sleeping tablets and so sleep very deeply. I started having “dreams” that he was touching me and performing oral sex on me whilst masturbating. Initially I dismissed it as dreams but then one time woke up and caught him doing it.

When I woke up I was confused and didn’t say anything. I just pretended to still be asleep until he had finished. Later that day I challenged him about it but he denied it.

Anyway the relationship continued and this continued happening until I fell pregnant and I decided that I didn’t want my child to be born into an abusive relationship and left him.

3 years later I met my now husband. He is a good man and has never been abusive. I told him about my history from very early on and he was very supportive.

Then 6 months into the relationship I wake up and he was touching me sexually. Once again i just lay there and pretended to be asleep. Then I challenged him about it later and he admitted it and said he was sorry. I thought that was the end of it but it kept happening. By this time I had given up and just accepted it is something men do.

My relationship with my husband has recently ended, for other reasons, and I am left confused. I always hated how this sexual touching made me feel kind of used but am I over reacting? Is it normal sexual contact between two adults who are in an intimate relationship?

I am now single and don’t plan on having another relationship for a long time, if at all but there are things that I am so confused about and need to put to bed. Any insight anyone can give would be great.

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Surfinbird · 16/09/2018 17:10

This has never happened to me ever. It is beyond wierd, and it is sexual assault.

Was your husband doing it after learning about your ex doing it ?! You are well rid.

I’m so sorry this has happened to you, it’s not your fault and it’s not all men either. It wasn’t right and it’s okay to accept that it wasn’t alright.

didyouseetheflaresinthesky · 16/09/2018 17:13

I would flip my fucking shit. If I caught him touching me while I slept, I'd castrate him with a spoon. No it's not normal.

StormcloakNord · 16/09/2018 17:19

100% not normal unless you've expressly given consent/permission for them to do that.

It's not something all men do at all and it really is sexual assault. Don't let men do this to you.

CleverQuacks · 16/09/2018 17:29

Thank you for the replies. The term “sexual assault” feels so serious. I don’t no if I can accept that is what this is. It never felt “right” but sexual assault feels extreme. Thank you for your thoughts though. I do appreciate it.

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Thingsdogetbetter · 16/09/2018 17:31

Your first partner was an abusive cunt. Unfortunately your second was also an abusive cunt. He was just better at hiding it. He know about your ex's abuse and took full advantage of you. He targeted you because you were vulnerable while pretending to be your saviour. Which actually makes him a double cunt.

The freedom programme will help you recognise red flags. You have been incredibly strong to leave two such relationships. You rock.

CleverQuacks · 16/09/2018 17:35

Haha i am actually trained to deliver the freedom programme as part of my job (social worker). You would think I would be able to see it.

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WhiteRosesAndSunflowers · 16/09/2018 17:57

1000000% not normal and neither is it something that 'all men do'.

It's never happened to me, or anyone that I know, I'm so sorry to hear that you've been through it twice now, but well done for leaving those disgusting assholes!

Hope you're doing better now Thanks

Honeybee79 · 16/09/2018 18:04

It is not normal, it's sexual assault.

UatuTheWatcher · 16/09/2018 18:37

It is 100% sexual assault. Don’t understate it. I know it’s difficult to wrap your head around the idea but it is sexual assault.

fantasmasgoria1 · 16/09/2018 18:39

My first husband used to do similar but my fiancé doesn’t. It’s totally wrong and abusive , certainly not normal.

LuluBellaBlue · 16/09/2018 18:50

I’ve also had this from several different exes.
Not ok!!!
Nowadays I wouldn’t stand it, but like you came from an abusive past so boundaries weren’t clear for me

CleverQuacks · 16/09/2018 19:34

Thank you for the extra replies. As I said I am unlikely to have another relationship for a long time, if ever. But if I do get into a new relationship I will try to be stronger and not allow this to happen again.

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PodgeBod · 16/09/2018 19:37

You didn't allow it, the responsibility and blame is 100% on them. I'm sorry you experienced this twice.

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