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WhatsApp and iCloud. Can anyone help!

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MissMarpleMyArse · 13/09/2018 14:13

After some suspect WhatsApp activity from my husband a few months ago I set his phone to back up to iCloud. It's all been quiet since then but I've just remembered the iCloud thing.
I now want to look at what is backed up to iCloud. I tried deleting and reinstalling whatsapp and retrieving backed up data but it just bought one ancient message back
I'm now going in through >iCloud>manage storage> then it shows me backups, WhatsApp and a few random apps. What's app says some KB but when I click on it I only have the option to delete data.
Is there any way I can do this??
Like my username suggests, I'm a hopeless detective!
Many thanks in advance

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 13/09/2018 14:14

Does he know you’re doing this? Confused

MissMarpleMyArse · 13/09/2018 14:18

Yes. Well not WhatsApp specifically but our phones are both mine as through my business, I told him I was backing everything to iCloud. So he is welcome to log into it too.

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 13/09/2018 14:20

Ok so he’s probably turned it off in his settings, I know I would have in his situation!

ErickBroch · 13/09/2018 14:54

I don't have my whatsapp backing up to icloud, not everyone does. He probably doesn't so you won't be able to see anything

Trinity66 · 13/09/2018 15:01

what was the suspect activity?

SciFiFan2015 · 13/09/2018 15:05

Pretty sure WhatsApp won't back up to icloud as it has in built end-to-end user encryption per device. If the CIA and FBI can't get at the data without permission I doubt you'll be able to!

BalthazarImpresario · 13/09/2018 15:46

If his WhatsApp is backed up to the cloud it is so that when he installs the app again he can get his charts restored.
It isn't like viewing gallery or anything shareable. Just for ease of moving between handsets. WhatsApp unlike others doesn't allow you to use it in multiple devices so you can't have it running for the same number on different devices unlike fb messenger etc.

BalthazarImpresario · 13/09/2018 15:49

Sorry I misread your op, are you doing this on his handset? If not and you've done the full app install it'll have asked for his number which will have alerted him in his phone.

richdeniro · 13/09/2018 15:57

Download 'Dr Fone' - you can can download his whole whatsapp directly from his phone and even restore old messages that have been deleted.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 13/09/2018 16:20

This whole thing is outrageous. If OP were a man asking for help to download messages from his wife’s phone this thread would have run to several hundred posts in disgust, let alone actually answers telling him how!

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 13/09/2018 16:52

You'd need to be on his phone for it to work; as others have said.

It will also have notified him that you've tried; so you could use this as an opportunity to talk?

But if he's hiding something, he's very likely to have hard deleted it now.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 13/09/2018 16:53

Download 'Dr Fone' - you can can download his whole whatsapp directly from his phone and even restore old messages that have been deleted.

I tried this last time it was posted; on my spare phone. Whether it works depends on how you delete messages. It might work for some people, maybe most of they aren't covering their tracks well, but not everybody by any means.

Kennycalmit · 13/09/2018 19:24

All you posters giving out advise telling her how to get around things should be ashamed of yourselves

AgentJohnson · 13/09/2018 21:39

Step away from the rabbit hole.

MissMarpleMyArse · 14/09/2018 08:57

Thank you for clarifying how the iCloud works. I already tried reinstalling on his phone but it just bought one old message back.
The dr fone thing feels a step too far at the moment but it's very tempting!
I really don't want to be like this but it's hard. My ex cheated on me for months and I had no idea at all. I found out when I went up to the spare room where he was on the computer to see if he wanted a coffee. He had gone to the loo so I reached over for the cup and my bracelet knocked the mouse, the screen came to life and the contents of an email on the screen will be burned into my brain forever.
I got suspicious this time as my husband's phone has always been left about with no lock. My daughter picked it up to look at the weather to see if she should take a coat to school and it asked for a passcode. He looked really uncomfortable and said the phone asked him to put one on. He took it off again without me asking but it was glued to him after that. I noticed from last seen on WhatsApp that he would always be on it every time he left the room. I confronted him, he denied doing anything wrong and his activity practically stopped.
He doesn't go on it for days at a time now, but when he does it's always when he's out, and he swipes the app away after. I don't know what to think. I love him and hate feeling this way but I can't go through that again. I feel like I'm going mad. Maybe I am

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FuckItPassMeTheWine · 14/09/2018 10:10

From whey you’ve explained I would download the app that is being suggested upthread.

Ignore the posters that say “if this was a reverse there would be outrage” unless you have experienced the gut feel of being cheated on you really don’t know what it is like. You have a child with this man and more then likely assets tied up with this man . Better to have the knowledge then to be absolutely blindsided in years to come is my view. Protecting yourself and your dc has to be the priority. Flowers x

Lifeisabeach09 · 14/09/2018 10:18

I would keep investigating. He does sound as if he is hiding something. Do you think he is having a physical affair or just whatsapping another woman?

Trinity66 · 14/09/2018 16:06

Sounds dodgy alright OP

MissMarpleMyArse · 14/09/2018 18:28

Thank you all for replying to me. I keep looking at him and thinking he lioves me too much to do this to me. But then I thought that about my ex. He was distraught that I ended it as he somehow didn't think his 2 worlds would collide.
I can see that the iCloud isn't going to be of any use after it has been explained. I have no idea who it could be, if there is someone. I will watch and wait for a few days I think.
He is more useless with technology than me so I may just show him the WhatsApp thing in the iCloud and say I didn't realise it backed up all of our chats. I must be able to detect a flicker of panic on his face if he is up to no good. If I do then I will think about the Dr. Fone thing and say I retrieved the info from iCloud.
I know it's wrong and if the trust isn't there I should go, but I don't know how much of my paranoia is down to what happened before. Most of you have confirmed it's a bit suspect though

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