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Difficult decision ( Breaking up is hard to do)

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 14:50

I am appealing to the collective wisdom of mumsnet because I have no one in real life that I can discuss this with.

I'd be grateful for thoughts/questions/anything that might help me come to the right decision. I've always found it really difficult to make decisions . I know leaving a relationship is not easy for anyone but I've had a couple of really terrible breakups and my relationship history is so unhappy generally that it seems to get harder to know what to do and when to do it.

Ok I don't want to make a really long post so to cut to the quick.
Since my divorce I've lived alone for about 4 years (co-parenting). I am in no hurry to live with someone again and in fact this is probably the reason that I haven't joined a dating site or made any attempt to meet anyone locally. I am slightly avoidant and an introvert so like to have a lot of space within relationships.

Wasn't looking for anything but company really so spent a lot of time on forums/online. I met someone online and quickly fell into an internet "relationship". I now know this is easy to do if you talk to someone every day for a while you can quickly get quite close to them. After about 8 months we decided to meet in a neutral country . I knew it was important to meet rather than let something drag on for years and be caught up in the fantasy. We spent a few days together, got on very well, holiday romance. Got back. felt close to him as a friend but I guess the fantasy started to break down when I looked into the practicalities of a long term relationship. Due to us being in different countries, my low wage, the possibility of being together is difficult/ if not impossible. So we have kept talking because he wants to try for a visa ( at some point- he needs to save money etc). Meanwhile my relationship style is that I tend to lose enthusiasm unless there's a lot going on/a lot to talk about etc. I don't miss the physical side of a relationship but I really miss having an emotional connection. This is why at the beginning online was good. Now, however, I just want someone to go out with at the weekends, have a cup of tea with, go walking with. I miss that.

Another year passes. I get some interest from another couple of people in my city. I turn one down and meet the other for coffee as friends. When I realise there is some romantic interest from him I say I can't and it's complicated as I have someone online. He tells me "You don't owe him anything" and that an online relationship is not a real relationship. This friendship fizzles out. I'm practically alone in my city.

I meet the online guy again for a short holiday to see if I still feel anything. I think it's gone but I'm still close to him as a friend. He's probably my best friend at the moment. He sees a future with me. I say it's unlikely to happen. I feel it's so unlikely I can't invest and I've checked out.

I've just heard a friend of mine is coming to my city for a few days soon. Id love to show him around, spend time with him. I am close to this man and it's possible things could happen if I was free. To clarify I'm not looking for a husband or live in boyfriend. I'm not interested in casual sex. But I'm in my late 40s and opportunities to just go out and have fun and have some dates might not come along that often.
I feel I'm dragging out the inevitable and I ought to break up with the online guy not because I don't like him I do but because I'm not sure how you can stay interested, invested and committed to someone you can only see once a year ( I don't think I want to go away next year. It's money and time I can't afford and logistics with the ex re children).

If I break-up he will be devastated and I'll lose my current best friend. If I do it I don't know how to do it and what to say. He will ask me so many questions. The last time I tried to do it he was asking if I'd had a proposition from someone or was in love with someone else. I feel I don't want to have to justify or give a reason beyond. I don't want to stop living my life . At the moment we talk every day at the same time and some days I don't want to talk or have nothing to say. If I go out I have to text when I get in, before I go to bed.
If I was living with someone of course I'd be trying to work things out, not giving up so easily, not wanting to go out with other people. But I'm not. I'm on my own and although I like my own company. I'm lonely.

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aquamarine2 · 11/09/2018 15:29

hmmm. does mr online have someone at home do you think?

Dimael · 11/09/2018 15:40

I have had a relationship with a man living in another country and I say end it. He may be lovely and you get on but realistically how often do you see him - once a year? It’s like having a pen pal! Maybe you could stay friends with online man?
I know ending my online romance was the best thing I did. In the 9 months we were together I saw him for 2 weeks. I was stressed and upset if I didn’t hear from him and it wasn’t worth it. I met someone local now and I really enjoy seeing him. I get space on weekday evenings, like I won’t see him today or tomorrow. And on the weekend I get a day with him and a free day. So I get space and you can too!

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 15:46

"hmmm. does mr online have someone at home do you think?"

No he doesn't. He lives at home ( no wife and kids) and we speak every day on the camera. I've seen his family. Why do you think that? He can't come here yet because he's likely to be rejected for a visa.

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 15:51

"I have had a relationship with a man living in another country and I say end it. He may be lovely and you get on but realistically how often do you see him - once a year? It’s like having a pen pal! Maybe you could stay friends with online man? "

I know it feels very much like having a penpal to me. To him this is a serious relationship but I get the disadvantages of a relationship ( commitment) without any benefits I feel. I mean no one to share time with/ living costs/emotional support from a real person at your side. Thanks for your take on this.

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aquamarine2 · 11/09/2018 15:52

do you think the visa plays an important part here? Given that you have spent so little time together? What country are you in if you don't mind me asking?

ravenmum · 11/09/2018 15:56

I don't really get how this is not a penpal? What do you mean by commitment? Does he also have to report back to you if he goes out? Do you question him about whether he has been propositioned?

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:01

"do you think the visa plays an important part here? Given that you have spent so little time together? What country are you in if you don't mind me asking?"

I'm in the Uk so I can understand you might be cynical of his motives. I have met scammers and I feel that they are easy to spot. He knows I don't earn enough to be his sponsor long term so cant get him in for good. What we would like is a 6 month visitor visa so we can spend time together to see if it's worth taking further. But I think getting this is a way off. I think he's in denial. If anyone is an immigration expert here or knows where I can get free advice that might help. If someone could say to me "they probably can't get a visa 90% of visas from people in that situation are rejected", I would at least have something to go on. At the moment I don't know whether to give him more time. What if I met someone else in the meantime? Am I just prolonging his agony?

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aquamarine2 · 11/09/2018 16:05

leave yourself free to find someone that wants nothing more from you, than you. They are not always easy to spot and your income may not always be the draw. Take care xx

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:08

"I don't really get how this is not a penpal? What do you mean by commitment? Does he also have to report back to you if he goes out? Do you question him about whether he has been propositioned?"

No I encourage him to meet other people. I think he's worried I will meet someone else. What I mean by commitment is he is trusting me not to "date" or have physical contact with anyone else. I can understand that would be cheating if he was living with me or in a relationship with me in the UK but what I feel is I stay in and try not to meet people because when you are deprived of physical contact ( and I don't mean sex) it's hard not to want to have that if the opportunity arose.

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:11

"Leave yourself free to find someone that wants nothing more from you, than you. They are not always easy to spot and your income may not always be the draw. Take care xx"

Thanks for your good wishes. I don't have a good income and I do think he wants me for me ( he has limited opportunities to find someone where he lives). But the problem is he doesn't know the real me. Thanks for your advice. I think I'm building up to knowing what I need to do. I can't live like this for ever.

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:14

Sorry I just re read your post and see what you mean now. Many thanks again.

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ravenmum · 11/09/2018 16:15

So you are bound by your commitment, but he isn't?

Like Dimael I also have a date-only bf. He's 54, I'm 49, he has a child part time and neither of us want to move in with anyone; we meet up about three days a week, go out, have fun. It's not impossible to find.

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:21

"so you are bound by your commitment, but he isn't?"

No he's not seeing anyone else romantically. He's exclusive and I don't want to be. I encourage him to have a social life ( he doesn't have much of one) and say that he shouldn't wait around for me ( he wants to). If he fell in love with someone else I wouldn't be devastated. That's the difference.

I appreciated you all supporting me but I'm the bad guy here not him

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:23

I'm ready to break up but don't know how to. I'm not scared of being alone just all the upset I guess and losing a friend I've talked to every day for 2 years.

Sorry for all the posts I'm just trying to think it through and yes to be honest whether I meet someone else or not doesn't bother me. I'm not in a hurry.

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ravenmum · 11/09/2018 16:26

It just sounds like all the demands for commitment are coming from him - when tbh he has no reason to expect you to be committed. You can't ask that much of someone you see once a year, unless it's what both sides want, and they both agree on it - did you?

ravenmum · 11/09/2018 16:28

Sounds like you need to take your own medicine and get more of a social life. Or do you mean you have even been depriving yourself of that as you're afraid to expose yourself to temptation? If so, whether you stay or go, that's a lonely place to be.

ahYerWill · 11/09/2018 16:34

I think you just need to come out and say it when you next speak to him. Tell him you aren't happy with the relationship as it stands and don't see a future for you as a couple. You value his friendship, but understand if he's hurt and needs some space. Breaking up hurts, there isn't a 'nice' pain-free way to do it, so you just need to be honest, but firm.

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:36

"You can't ask that much of someone you see once a year, unless it's what both sides want, and they both agree on it - did you?"

I guess I fudged it early on. I said I couldn't promise anything ( ie a serious relationship) until I met him. That I didn't know how I would feel. Then afterwards he said shall we make a plan to take the next step, ie a visit to UK. I went along with it at the time. (Still in the euphoria of first meeting, talked to a solicitor). Then after the solicitor explained how hard it would be started detaching a bit for fear of over investing. Fell out of "love" which he acknowledged but eventually agreed to second holiday a year later to see if things would revive. I did say to him... What if I met someone local and said sometimes I want someone to go out and about with. He just asked me to be honest " Did I love someone else?". I had a crush on someone at the time... somehow we argued and got through. I think by implication I've committed myself by agreeing to go for next stage (visa).... and not been able to backtrack. Ive changed my mind over time. I'm sorry I sound so vague and submissive. I guess it's the pattern of my relationships. Ive always got stuck in relationships long after my feelings have gone. .not knowing how to go. Writing it I sound pathetic...

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PolkaDoting · 11/09/2018 16:36

Why would it be difficult to break up with someone you only write to?

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:41

"Sounds like you need to take your own medicine and get more of a social life. Or do you mean you have even been depriving yourself of that as you're afraid to expose yourself to temptation? If so, whether you stay or go, that's a lonely place to be."

Yes 99% of my social life is online. It's not just temptation though maybe that's a factor. I don't want to rush into something just because I'm feeling lonely. I guess I've socially isolated myself for a while so it's hard to go back out there. I do know if I developed more of a real life I'd be less hung on these online people.

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:43

"Why would it be difficult to break up with someone you only write to?"

We skype every day and have had two holidays together. I feel he's emotionally dependant on me ( he's had and has a difficult life) and the thing he hates most is a lie.

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MorrisZapp · 11/09/2018 16:49

This all just sounds really intense and unhealthy. Is there a reason your social life is conducted online? It seems a bit sad that you don't have friends in real life.

This guy sounds a user anyway. He's easy to dump, a you never see him.

ravenmum · 11/09/2018 16:53

It's hard to do, but sometimes pulling off the plaster quickly is the way to go.

I can be a bit of a loner so I know what you mean. Maybe start with something "easy" like a weekly event where you don't have to interact (even cinema or something, or evening classes where you can just sit there), then move on to something like rambling where loners don't really stand out as much, and interaction depends on you?

Anonesense · 11/09/2018 16:58

"This all just sounds really intense and unhealthy. Is there a reason your social life is conducted online? It seems a bit sad that you don't have friends in real life.

I guess things drifted when I was in the throes of unhappy marriage/small children years. I'm just getting my self-esteem back slowly. I never had many friendsto begin with but that's fine. One or two has always been enough.

"This guy sounds a user anyway. He's easy to dump, a you never see him."

In his defence I don't think he's using me. After all what's he getting. No more than I am at the moment. I guess his options are more limited. I appreciate your perspective though. Everyone's comments are helping...

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Anonesense · 11/09/2018 17:01

Thanks Ravenmum. You've made some great points and suggestions. I don't feel my life is sad in general and I enjoy my job. I'm just a person who likes to feel free and I feel a bit trapped. This thread is helping me gird my loins a bit... so thank you

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