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Fraught relationship with sister. How do I distance myself?

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themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 12:57

I have always had a fraught relationship with my sister and she got worse when she got married because she married someone even worse than her.

The pair of them have caused a lot of trouble between my DH and me and also between my parents and my children. They have interfered in everything from whether we should buy a house, go on holiday, have children, which schools to send my DD, they decided DS had Aspergers and I needed to get home seen by a professional, my job isn't good enough, etc, etc, DD should have school lunches, not a packed lunch. You name it, they have an opinion on it.

They hate my DH. They are constantly commenting on our relationship and now they have extended this to my teenage DD, interfering as to how we bring her up and are especially trying to drive a wedge between DD and DH.

The problem is that we have an elderly mother in poor health and DD is also v good friends with her cousin so we HAVE to see one another. DH is at the point where he refuses point blank to see them. I see his point but I don't think that is practical right now and being polite but distant is the better way. However, we always get sucked back in when we try that tactic.

I have tried talking to them but they are not easy to negotiate with because they are the sort of people who are always right and the most trivial discussions can turn into a kind of cross-examination as it is, with me walking away thinking wtf was that about.

I have kind of put it to bed that we can't really have the relationship we want but how to I manage it from here?

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noego · 10/09/2018 13:03

HAVE to see them..........BS. You're letting your DD go to a toxic environment. God knows what shit they are putting into her head.

Go NC and stick to it. Yes they'll kick off and demonise you and your family, but so be it.

NotTheFordType · 10/09/2018 13:08

Sorry I'm confused. Why are you keeping in contact with them?

themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 13:08

Unfortunately, as DD is 14 (and v headstrong), she would just go anyway. She does have her head screwed on (mostly) and knows her own mind. The majority of the time, she knows they are fucked up.

And, even if I did manage to stop her, that would just be playing into their hands. After a big argument, I did tell DD not to go round for a few days as I wanted things to cool down a bit first and, if she stayed late, I'd have to get her. Both girls interpreted this as no longer being allowed to see one another, which was not the case at all. Cue, my sister phoning DD up (I would never call DN), telling her not to listen to her mum and how childish I can be.

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Aprilshowersnowastorm · 10/09/2018 13:10

Tell dd she needs to see cousin away from their house

Dd is old enough to put up her own boundaries now - by example from you!!
Have a rota to see your dm, less chance of crossing paths.

themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 13:53

They are still at the stage where they just like to hang out either at our house or theirs. Occasionally, they go to town or cinema but these things cost money so they don't do it that often .

I expect it will change when they have jobs an get a bit older. Perhaps I should just keep my head down and hang in there

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 10/09/2018 13:56

Has your dd ever commented on how argumentative and negative they are? As a teenager, I am surprised she has not started to distance herself from them by herself. That she hasn’t is an alarm bell. They /are/ may be “training” her. Is the cousin older/ more dominate personality? Does your dd feel she has to always agree with whatever is said when she is in their company? Has she read Queen Bees and Wannabes yet?

Or perhaps your dd is a lifeline to their dd? Harping on your parenting may be a mask to avoid attention on their parenting.

Take a page from your dh’s playbook.
Limit what you will tolerate.

If not NC, go grey rock. At present you are feeding the monster. Stop it. They do not need to know your vacation plans or even that you are taking one. They don’t need to know your diy projects, what you are doing for Christmas, who you vote for, the great deal you got at the store, dcs accomplishments, etc etc.

They have Zero need to know about any aspect of your lives.

When your dc ask about the distancing, you can be honest and say:
Given the way they treat us, they really are not nice people. If they were not family, would you/we put up with it? No. The fact that they are family doesn’t change that. We will limit what we will tolerate.

Your dd may need to understand that she is not to leak information to her cousin. She needs to honor your need for privacy concerning her aunt and uncle, thus her cousin as well.

Perhaps, once they notice you backing off, they will dump you to punish you. Result! Don’t be afraid of the shitstorm character assassinations- people see through that and it says more about them than it does you.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 10/09/2018 14:08

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Telling your dd to not listen to you is unforgivable. She is undermining you and probably wants to be the major influence in your daughter’s life. This is your sister stealing your daughter.

Are you just going to roll over and let that happen? In case you don’t quite see it, the correct answer is No. Screw the kids’ friendship- you have a fight for your daughter on your hands! Angry

I am NC with one of my sisters for this very reason. You may feel this is over dramatic, but I’ve been there, got the t-shirt. You need to act now. By the time dd is 16, you will have no influence with her.

Just “take a break from the relationship” and don’t go back.

themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 16:12

I'm intrigued, Andtheband. What happened?

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themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 17:07

Certainly, her parenting leaves a bit to be desired so your posts have rung several bells for me

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 10/09/2018 17:59

It’s a long story, sorry in advance. These things develop over time in subtle ways. A little bit, then a little bit more...

I was very generous with including her in my family because she was/is single - no dc. After our parents passed, I felt sorry for her. She was over generous with gifts for my (2 at that time ds and dd) dc-trunk loads every time she came (lives 80 miles away-1-1/2 hr drive here in the States).

Always out spent me at Christmas, but asking if this was ok? I didn’t really get it so never said no. I tried to reciprocate $ to $ for her but just couldn’t keep up (I’m a sham). Outings, theater, etc...I finally told her I wasn’t running up my Visa for entertainment.

She took dd to get her ears pierced when she was 12. I was ok with that and told her she could...but her friends were raising their eyebrows like I should have minded. I let it slide.

Then she started to say she was taking dd traveling overseas when she turned 18. I didn’t say anything. She said it again later and said when dd is 18 there wouldn’t be anything I could do about it. I told her that was offensive and she didn’t bring it up again.

Dd spent a week with her during that summer when she was 12- like a week at Camp Auntie. My dd felt the need to distance herself from the controlling bossiness and wanted to come home early but felt guilty because of the show tickets so stayed.

The “enough is enough” circumstance came when I had the audacity to get pregnant again. It was a surprise pregnancy, I was 45 and there was a 13 year gap with dd. Sister blew a head gasket. I had begun to realize that I should distance myself from her...but then the pregnancy: I thought I needed her at that point. I asked her to save “a couple” of vacation days for me.

Someone at work told her since our parents were dead, she could apply for maternity leave to help out family. Like I was a pregnant adolescent with a chemical addiction (not to insult pregnant adolescents with chemical addictions, iyswim).

She didn’t ask, but informed me that she applied; I was too shocked to say anything. I thought I would let her HR department handle it. Yes, they denied her. She told me this and said they were wrong and insisted they process the request again. I told her if she needed a sabitical that was fine but she would not be spending the majority of it here. HR denied her again (bless them!). (I suspect the people at work were playing her and she fell for it hook line and sinker- can hear them laughing still.)

And then there is my other sister, who is a nurse. She was coming to help first and controlling one was to come later -she was welcome to come to the birth -but for helping- to come two weeks later as dh was taking time off work. And those were the only 3 people I had to help so it made sense to spread it out.

Nurse sister came up the week I was due (I went over due and had to be induced) and the controlling one was furious. I said it isn’t like we are out partying. Nurse sister offered to call her when I was in the hospital. I just decided no, she was the last person I wanted to see walk through the door.

Dh screened the call: Was nurse sister still there? Did Band have the baby yet? Let me talk to Band (no-she’s sleeping).

I finally spoke to her about ten days later and gave her the “taking a break from the relationship” line. Let her know she needed to make other plans for the holidays (this was in March!!). Let her know my “Family Duty” card was punched out (ten full years after last parent passed).

I decided if she asked to see my baby, I would not hesitate to say yes of course.
My little one was 7 years 9 months old when sister finally saw her...for 20 minutes and that was not a direct request to see dd2 (overstay visit at Nurse sister to see me).

Sorry for the essay. We have been NC ten years now. Sometimes I waver and consider reconnecting but my counselor says “Don’t do it!”. Too much damage was done -very depressive as she was a self esteem vampire.

themuttsnutts · 10/09/2018 21:23

Wow. What a story. I am younger but my dd is 2 yrs older than hers. DN took a long time to come. At the time, my pregnancy was a bone of contention. The girls are close and my sister says they're like sisters. Very recently, I have thought she sees dd as the child she should have had.

She is not interested in ds and makes it v obvious, hence the allusion to there being something wrong with him (there isn't). When he was young bil often said he was a little shit in his earshot. To be fair, he was tantrumy and a bit silly but just standard toddler behaviour.

Tonight, dd wanted to go over but I couldn't face seeing them at pick up - all smarmy and acting as if nothing happened so I said no. Dh tried to lie and say she had homework, which she did. Dd had a massive fit and broke the bedside lamp.

I'm just finding it so difficult. If it were just me, it'd be no problem

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