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Was this a sexual assault? I feel over dramatic

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MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 06:56

Hi everyone

I was on holiday in a rented house last week and, on the last day, the man who lived in an annex on site and looked after the pool and the maintenance, did some things that have left me in a spin.

Basically, after a week of chatting and being appropriately boundaried, he got very drunk in the afternoon and started flirting and then, when I tried to leave, he went to hug me saying he’d miss us when we left.

Once he’d got hold of me, he was pulling my face round to his, trying to kiss my mouth. I kept saying no and I was kind-of struggling. He wouldn’t let go and he had hold of my face trying to get me in the right position. His mouth was all over my face. I could smell his breath.

After a moment, I pulled backwards and stumbled and that broke his grip. I went inside the villa where my young kids were.

He followed me in and made himself coffee. My (female) partner arrived back and I told her subtly what had happened. He left the house and we locked the doors. My partner needed to go and get something from the shop and I said I’d be fine. A few seconds after she left, there was a knock at the door and I thought it was her but, when I opened the door, it was him asking for a mixer for his whisky. I let him get something from the kitchen and again locked him out.

About ten minutes later, he came back. I said to the kids “he’s a bit drunk, let’s leave him to it” but the kids were asking why we weren’t answering the door and I didn’t know what to say without scaring them and I was scared to upset him or make him angry given that he had his own keys and my partner was out and would have to pass him to get in.

So I let him in again. This time he wanted me to fetch something from upstairs. I knew, if I did he would rape me. I said no three times and told him to get it himself. He walked towards the stairs saying “come with me”. I said no.

He left the house and i locked the doors. My partner came back and we tried to be normal for the kids. We discussed whether we should go to a hotel but it was late and we’d have to pass him to leave. We locked the doors with the keys in the locks and checked all the windows.

Then he started sending messages (including texts, voice recordings and photos) saying “I am lonely” and “speak with me” and “where you go?” He sent eighteen messages over the next six hours. I didn’t respond to any.

The next morning, we left for our flight. We saw him on the way out. We did a cursory goodbye and i kept my physical distance.

Back in the UK we told the owner who was great about it.

So now I feel upset and tearful. Lots of people have said “you should have kicked him in the balls” which is all very well if you manage to land the kick, but if I’d tried and missed, he could have gone to town on me. I was trying to de-escalate the situation because I was alone with the kids. And, do you know what? I fucking decided that I’d do whatever I had to to get him not to hurt us. I was literally weighing it up and decided I’d go through with it if I had to.

I feel tearful and wobbled. But I also feel like people go through so, so much worse. Not everyone’s story ends well and, it was “only” a kiss. I don’t know what I’m asking or what I need to hear.

And thoughts or advice are welcome.

Thanks.

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tribpot · 08/09/2018 07:10

That sounds genuinely terrifying. And I agree with you, whilst kicking him in the balls might have worked, it could easily have escalated the violence. Easily.

I would see if you can talk to Rape Crisis or similar now that you're back. I know that you may feel what happened wasn't 'bad enough' to warrant it but you were clearly in a situation where it could have happened, where you were pretty convinced it was going to happen, and where you had had to go into a defensive mode where you were only thinking of how to save your kids from violence and trauma.

What has the owner done, I sincerely hope the guy has been fired even if you don't want to bring criminal charges given the complication of being in two different countries.

MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 07:17

The owner was amazing. It wasn’t a country that’s known for its liberal values but the owner fired the guy (despite me saying that wasn’t what I wanted - although with a couple of days’ hingsight, he was right). He said everything you’d hope “I don’t tolerate women being harassed. Women need to be safe to rent the house. I cannot let other women go there know what he is capable of”.

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subspace · 08/09/2018 07:23

I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Yes it was sexual assault. He kissed and mauled you when you said no.

His behaviour was inappropriate and he should definitely be sacked/get a visit from the police minimum.

We don't always do what we wanted to do in survival situations. Our adrenaline switches off our rational forebrain and basic instinct kicks in. Women are more likely to placate and try to resolve a situation through de-escalation. Men more likely to fight. Neither is better or worse, it depends what is effective in that specific situation with those specific people. You were effective; he didn't rape you, you, your partner and your kids escaped unscathed (apart from the kiss). That's you being effective in your response to the dangerous situation, so give yourself credit for that. You did good. You and your children and partner are safe now.

It's definitely worth talking it through with a professional, and with your partner. I'm told talking from when you felt safe before it happens through to when you felt safe again after it ended is a good strategy. Expect that you might have a delayed response to the incident, and be kind to yourself. Hugs x

MrsMozart · 08/09/2018 07:28

Bloody hell lass. Very scary for you. Very well done on staying so (at least outwardly) cool with the children there.

No useful words, but sending a gentle handhold Flowers

Sarahandduck18 · 08/09/2018 07:30

Oh that’s horrendous.

Are you getting some irl support?

You were right to be cautious, as soon as you are alone with a man the law will do fuck all if you get raped.

Figgygal · 08/09/2018 07:30

You're not over reacting at all I'm glad the owner took the attitude they did

MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 07:34

You’re all utterly lovely. Thank you.

You know, I’d say all the stuff you’re saying, if it were someone else. But it’s weird that it’s me. It feels harder to process.

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SilkeOvesen · 08/09/2018 07:38

This is horrible OP. It sounds like you handled it really well.

I’ve had something much (much) more minor happen and the guilt and shame I felt afterwards were overwhelming. Rationally I knew that I’d done absolutely nothing wrong but it’s very confusing when it’s you yourself in that position Flowers

KERALA1 · 08/09/2018 07:39

How awful and upsetting no way are you overreacting. As a young woman I was packing alone in a holiday flat in India as my friend had met a man and gone off very late at night as flight at odd times there no curtains a group of Indian men saw me, climbed the outdoor stairs to the flat and banged on the door. I turned the lights off and sat in silence, one flimsy door between me and gang rape. I was literally gibbering with fear. Eventually they just trooped off. Nothing happened but one of the most terrifying experiences of my life.

penisbeakers · 08/09/2018 07:46

That was 100% sexual assault. God what a horrible situation for you I'm so sorry.

MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 08:06

You’re right. It was horrible. There were a million thoughts in my mind. And I was embarrassed. Embarassed at the awkwardness. And when he was sacked I felt guilty. But less so now.

And I keep going over and over “what if I’d gone upstairs when he asked me to fetch something for him?” I’m sure he’d have followed me. I don’t think anyone would have heard me. Except the kids, if I’d shouted really loud. But I hope I wouldn’t have shouted for them. What could they have done? I hope I wouldn’t have.

I said no to going upstairs before I thought about it. “No. Get it yourself” was out of my mouth before I processed his request. I’m so, so fucking glad I said no.

But now I don’t want anyone to touch me.

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mouthkisses · 08/09/2018 08:09

This sounds horrible. I'm sorry this happened to you and your family and I'm sorry you are doubting yourself (I think that's somewhat normal after trauma). You did good.

I agree with those that have suggested counselling. Can only help. I suspect a bit of time and distance will also help to 'shrink' it. Good luck

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 08/09/2018 08:10

Would you be up for getting some support from a Rape crisis organisation?

I'm so sorry he did that to you

Its totally normal not to fight back. You listened to your instinct and kept yourself and your children as safe as possible

Aaaahfuck · 08/09/2018 08:11

I'm really sorry this happened to you. It was definitely sexual assault and you're not overeating.

I'm sure it's really easy with hindsight to annalise the situation and think about what you could have done. I'm sure lots of people will say they would have punched him, kicked him or whatever. Bust as you rightly say you don't really know how that's going to go down. Don't feel like you failed by choosing the best way to keep your kids safe.

Yes people do do through worse but that in no way makes his behaviour ok and it also doesn't mean you should not be upset by what happend.

Broken11Girl · 08/09/2018 08:14

Oh, love. Yeah it doesn't have to pass a qualifying test to officially Be Sexual Assault. Which it was. I was forcibly kissed by a creep in a club when younger, it was more violating than other stuff that goes on, kissing is very intimate. I'm sorry you went through that. Yes you're right, he probably would have done a lot more, and you handled it so well Flowers Allow yourself to feel how you feel. You were assaulted and probably narrowly avoided worse, that's huge. Take care.

MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 08:14

Yes. I will get some support. I suppose I started this thread to ask if it was “bad enough”. The things you’re all saying are making me realise that it’s ok to feel wobbled by this and that I could ask for help.

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MooseyMouse · 08/09/2018 08:15

Thank you to those of you saying what happened to you too. X

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C0untDucku1a · 08/09/2018 08:17

You need some counselling.op. Flowers

Babdoc · 08/09/2018 08:30

OP, please don’t minimise it or feel that you’re moaning about something trivial. This was a serious incident and he obviously intended to rape you.
I think this is a protective mechanism - your brain is trying to convince itself that it was no big deal, so you don’t have to face the frightening truth of what was really going on.
Whether or not you choose to have counselling, I think you should feel proud of yourself. You retained control in the situation and you reported the creep and got him fired, thus protecting all future female guests at the villa, and sending him a clear message that his behaviour has been punished. That is a very positive outcome. Feel empowered rather than shaken! Sending a supportive hug.

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