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What I've never told anyone, and a thank you

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Buxton8 · 02/09/2018 23:59

Some threads I've read here recently have made me want to share this. No one knows this stuff happened to me. Some people know parts of it. But the deep shame i felt and the memories still make me feel is something I've never shared.

When I was 21 I met a man on a night out. He was gorgeous. He was Nigerian and he felt exciting,

He came on very strong, too strong really and I texted him to let him know i didn't think it was going to work. He bombarded me and charmed me in to changing my mind, I was smitten quite quickly.

Looking back, his behaviour would have thrown up red flags from the beginning, had I been older and wiser. Early on, he would make back handed compliments that made me doubt myself but I couldn't really pull him up on. Mainly comments about my body, how he liked my big thighs. Or how I dressed, saying he liked how I was dressed on the night I met him and wished I looked like that more often. I remember once he told me a female friend has seen a picture of me on his phone and had commented she thought he would have been with someone more glamorous. He knew I liked that picture of me.

Within months he was talking about having a baby. We used condoms but I started secretly taking the pill, even that early on I didn't trust him not to try to get me pregnant by deliberately damaging a condom, he knew I wouldn't sleep with him without one. More than once I said no to sex but he did it anyway. I just let him.

I'm pretty sure he was dealing drugs. He took advantage of me for money and got me to pay for a lot, he was a student and worked a few hours as a bouncer and I genuinely thought he was skint. He bought a car and lied to me that he'd got it for an absolute steal, I always had my suspicions but always ultimately believed him. He had two mobile phones, was secretive and was obviously getting cash from somewhere.

A few times he did a total disappearing act. Looking back i assume he was cheating.

One of the worst incidents happened maybe nine months in. I'd been out after work and was a drunken mess. One of his bouncer mates saw me throwing up in the street. He was mad me for embarrassing him and picked me up. We got to my flat and he told me I needed a shower, he undressed me and sat me in the bottom of the shower with it running. The reason I remember this is because he filmed it, with the camera panning him down to him wanking. When I found it on his phone I was horrified and deleted it. He laughed it off and I accepted it. I believe he'd probably saved it elsewhere or sent it to his friends.

He was forever asking for takeaways, and I went up 2 dress sizes, from a 10 to a 14. He used this as a way to put me down. He said no one else would want me now and I believed him.

He bought me an engagement ring, and used it as a way to manipulate me. Often saying he wanted to propose but couldn't until I did z, y or z. Told me his cousins would laugh if they saw he was marrying someone fat so u had to lose weight. Used the promise of engagement to control me.

Seven or eight months in to our relationship we decided to move in together. We found a new place to rent, I paid the deposit and he owed me half back. I gave my months notice on my flat, then two weeks later, on my birthday, he told me he'd changed his mind. It was too late for me to keep my flat and I had two weeks to find somewhere new. That was the first time he was physically abusive, I was sat on the kitchen floor crying and he grabbed me and dragged me across the floor. Left my arm covered in bruises. It was also the worst, there were a few incidents of grabbing and pushing after that, but I daresay things could have been a lot worse there.

Stupidly I know, I stayed with him and found somewhere new to live. Following that incident was a period of intense loveliness. It's like he could read my mind, he'd push me to breaking point then be absolutely lovely for a few weeks and everything would reset, then repeat.

One if the incidents I'm most ashamed of is this. He'd said weeks before that he didn't like how much weight I'd put on. He laughed and called me a grenade then gleefully explained that it meant a woman who was hot but put a lot of weight on, exploded. It was Valentine's day and I'd made dinner, I sat on his knee and he felt my stomach and the roll I had at the front. I could see what he was thinking and the shame physically crawled over me.

Not long after that, we travelled to a different city for a concert. All paid for by me. He was absolutely vile the entire time we were there, and threatened to leave me there by myself and go home without me. The next morning we had a huge row, and I squared up to him and dared him to hit me if he was such a big man. He pushed me, didn't punch me. I remember walking round the shops crying while he ignored me.

Things didn't last long after that thankfully. By the end I actually hated him, there was nothing but hate left and I found gathering the strength to leave him surprisingly easy, he must have just pushed me past breaking point. He went on to give my engagement ring to another girl and get her pregnant, I'm certain he was seeing her before we split up. They're not together now, and last thing I heard he'd been sent to prison for dealing heroin.

The threads on here have helped me work through and identify a lot of what happened in the just over a year we were together. He systematically broke down my confidence, emotionally abused me, controlled me. His main aim was to get married for a visa I believe, I insisted I wouldn't marry him until he obtained a work visa in his own right so no one could ever accuse our relationship of being a sham. Thank God I kept my head screwed on at least in one respect.

So thank you Mumsnet for helping more than even counselling did in allowing me to understand what happened. I'm an intelligent woman, always been confident and never ever thought anything like that would happen to me. It's now 8 years in the past and I'm happily married with a baby on the way, but it still affects me.

P.s well done if anyone has read to the end! It's an awfully long story

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Buxton8 · 03/09/2018 11:38

@hellsbells yes she wasn't great. Also, when I said that I know anyone would say it isn't my fault she said "isn't it?" I think she was trying to force me in to defending myself as that's better than her reassuring me because it comes from me but it felt very confrontational.

@allgood I'm sorry you were there for 27 years. I can't imagine the strength it must have taken to get out.

@aj I'm pleased your daughter got herself out. I had moved away from home but for a job for not uni so not only were my family not here, I didn't have a big friendship group here either. By the time I wanted to tell someone, so much has happened that I was ashamed I'd let happen that I was embarrassed to talk about it, and it continued to spiral like that.

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bibliomania · 03/09/2018 14:14

Well done, OP. So glad you got out. I've been in a similar situation.

Prettyvase, your post struck me as hostile too. Maybe part of you wants it to be OP's fault, because that means your dds know better so won't be in that situation. The truth is that you can have all the intelligence and good role models in the world, but we all long for love, and that can drown out our rationality.

ravenmum · 03/09/2018 14:46

I don't think it is even about people being vulnerable at a certain time. So many people in situations like this describe how they started out being really confident and secure, and were just manipulated. When someone turns the charm up to full volume it feels incredible. And they always have plausible reasons for anything that seems odd. You doubt yourself. Maybe they make you feel as if you are at fault for being suspicious or uncomfortable, and you think they must be right and you need to be a better person by believing them. In the heat of the budding relationship, when everything is new, you don't have a firm basis for judgement, and you don't have the overview you get with distance. In retrospect it might seem "obvious", but of course it isn't at the time. Over time they can then change their manipulative tactics, ramp it up.

We're all manipulated by others, all the time: by advertising and marketing, by film-makers and authors, by politicians, by scammers, by our superiors at work, by religious figures. Books have been written explaining why it is we can be fooled or pushed into thinking, acting or feeling a certain way. And the books always say that everyone thinks it only happens to other people.

IDismyname · 03/09/2018 15:19

I think there are those that have been in abusive/ manipulative relationships who just KNOW what the OP is talking about.

...And there are those that haven't experienced the full force of someone they love and trust, turning their confidence and their worlds upside down for years on end.

And at that point, an intelligent woman can still wonder if they're sane.

Well done OP. Glad you're able to get it down, and hopefully it will help others who read it...

Buxton8 · 03/09/2018 15:48

@raven you're absolutely right. I was vulnerable in that I didn't have the support network around me so it was easier to hide what was happening, but in terms of how I was, I wasn't vulnerable at all. I was confident, happy and having the time of my life before i met him. I wasn't looking for any gap to be filled.

@ID you're absolutely right too. I was left like I'd been put in a dark room and span round a load of times. Confused, upset, didn't understand and feeling so low about myself, desperate for him just to love me because no one else ever could.

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subspace · 03/09/2018 15:54

Flowers gosh. I have no words. Have a hug. Xxx

Buxton8 · 03/09/2018 15:58

The thread that made me want to share is the one where the lady is six months pregnant and says her husband isn't attracted to her. It made me feel weird reading it. A bit sick. And so lucky that my baby's dad is a lovely man and I couldn't ask for better. Where she is feels like how it started for me.a

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AnnieAnoniMoose · 03/09/2018 16:08

((((HUG))))

Bloody hell. It’s incredibly scary that an intelligent young woman, brought up with two loving, ‘normal’ parents, happy, confident etc can end up where you ended up.

It’s really dreadful, it sent shivers fine my spine reading it. He was a total bastard, but thank god you got the pill and didn’t marry him. I’m so pleased you got out in just over a year. It could have been SO much worse.

Have you told your husband what happened? If you haven’t, I really think you should. It’s a ‘secret’ you don’t need to keep and it will come between you if you don’t tell him. Plus, it will affect your parenting and you should be able to discuss that aspect of it with him too.

I’m so pleased you got out 🌷 please don’t be ashamed of yourself, it’s ALL on him. I don’t understand how/why it happens to intelligent women from stable backgrounds who are confident...but it does. You’re not the first and sadly not the last. Be proud that you’ve got your life back and have moved forward...but deal with the crap that comes up, don’t bury it x

sparkling123 · 03/09/2018 16:18

@IDismyname nailed it.

Buxton8 · 03/09/2018 16:34

He knows a lot of the facts, but not so much of the feelings. I think really posting this is partly me gearing up to tell him before the baby is here. I know he finds it difficult to hear and difficult to know what to say.

We're having a baby girl. I honestly can't think of anything in terms of how I was brought up that would have changed what happened. However, I think if we have a boy, how I parent him will be different as a result of what I went through, to make sure he isn't one of those men.

This lingering shame is the last thing I need to deal with I think. After we broke up I gained my confidence back, got a promotion, moved back in with my friends and became very happy. Then I bought my own place, met my husband and we've moved back to my home town to start our family.

It annoys me that when I think back to the things he said and did, I still feel the shame that I felt at the time.

The basic facts I find fairly easy to talk about "I met a man who wasn't nice, he wrecked my confidence and was nasty to me, and even started being physical with me before we broke up." But the details I never go in to and actually the physical side affected me the least.

Thank you everyone for your support. It's both lovely and awful to know I'm not alone.

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Pickleypickles · 03/09/2018 16:52

Thank you for sharing that OP Flowers

beachcomber243 · 03/09/2018 17:21

I think there is a lot of wisdom and experience on the mumsnet boards. However there is also ignorance and naivety so posters in need of help need to sift through many opinions and advice. However there is usually a common voice which consistently gives similar responses and suggested solutions. I think most people want to spare others going through the rubbish that they suffered often for many years.

Well done OP for getting away from your situation and working out who he really was. When we are brought up in a family of decent people with no abuse, violence or manipulative behaviours I think we go into the world not realising how nasty, manipulative and deceitful people can be. In the name of love some people can use their partners to get what they want, to intimidate, control and gain total submission. Some people are just bad, liars and bullies.

I have been taken in by those who I trusted, who claimed to love me. They didn't. They had their own self serving agendas. But I always walked away, I have not treated people I loved in shabby ways. I can hold my head up and sleep at night. Good luck for the future with your new partner and baby OP.

Buxton8 · 03/09/2018 22:05

Thank you @beach Flowers

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Mumofwyatt14 · 03/09/2018 23:34
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merville · 04/09/2018 00:00

The vasesomething person mentioned that alarm bells/red flags didn't go off for OP - they did, that's why she took backup contraception and refused to marry her ex to help him get a visa/at all (!!!)

OP this might bsound blunt but you mention shame and I don't get why you feel ashamed - it's nothing exceptional to be drawn into a shitty relationship, unfortunately it's very common.

African men - so many of them are users/visa seekers/abusive/sexist - it's par for the course. I had a similar experience. Noone tells us sweet, naive, grammar school, raised to be liberal and raised to think assuming things based on race or nationalality is morally wrong what many of them are like.

You're far from the first and you won't be the last unfortunately. Well done on protecting yourself against pregnancy and STDs ( many African men are so promiscuous and actively seek a rotation/soft harem if women that they'll give you STDs too). Well done on not going along with a marriage too, you may have had a hard time and suffered abuse but you kept your head on your shoulders and fared better than many others.

Let go of any shame about it, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Fightthebear · 04/09/2018 06:32

I don’t think it’s fair to criticise African men as a group, I’d identify and criticise the behaviours in a man from any background. Plenty of White British men are abusive too.

I do wonder whether it’s worth warning all children - and especially girls - against the love bombers and the men who swamp women with affection. It’s so beguiling when you’re young, it doesn’t seem like the red flag it should be.

Oblomov18 · 04/09/2018 07:10

We generally all have to accept partial blame, because we are normally all partially responsible for most bad things that happen to us.

Accountability is a difficult thing. I have made a couple of major mistakes in my life, but instead of blaming others, (which I wanted to, initially tried to partly, but simply couldn't) I had no other choice other than to hold myself responsible.

Your counsellor sounded awful at helping you accept and get over what had happened!!

merville · 04/09/2018 08:04

Fightthebear - in my experience (in Africa,non the UK and as an ex pat elsewhere overseas,) there is a prevalence of a. Visa hunting, b. Misogyny/chauvinism and c. Polygynous behaviour/culture among a significant portion of African males.
Enough for me to warn (young) women and to wish someone had warned me.

There are men who are not the above of course (I've met two medical professionals who have visas and come from (apparently) monogamous backgrounds, but they were the exception not the rule.

merville · 04/09/2018 08:48

(Also devout Christian s from African countries tend not to
Display the visa hunting and promiscuity/polygyny but they tend to be married young and out of the 'dating' scene.

Buxton8 · 04/09/2018 09:46

I only mentioned where he was from because of the visa issue. I believe his anger and frustration in me not 100% falling for it and rushing down the aisle played a big part in things escalating.

I really didn't want to generalise African men, it's such a huge group of people and you do see abusive behaviour across all cultures.

If I was the warn young women about anything, it would be against getting in to a relationship where the other party has something else important to gain, such as a visa. You can never 100% say that they're there because they love you, there's always that doubt.

That of course opens up the subject of financial inequality in a relationship though and I'd never say that we should assume the partner with less money is only in it for the cash.

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merville · 04/09/2018 12:17

You certainly do see abuse across all cultures but I'm not gonna do the super pc thing of pretending that some cultures have retained or not developed past the chauvinism and expected power balance (socially, sexually etc) yetbin the way liberal democracies have. So I'm Africa, while there is a range, I will generalise about men from certain cultures being even more likely to cause 'issues' in a relationship for a liberated woman.

Anyway, back on topic, you keep talking about shame and I don't agree you have anything to feel ashamed about. He certainly does, but he'll never see that.

merville · 04/09/2018 12:21

One last point on culture - I think women realise things about middle Eastern culture but, perhaps because of things like the lack of dress restrictions on women, don't realise how similar African culture can be; if you live in an African country you get more of an idea.

Buxton8 · 04/09/2018 12:23

Thanks merville. Whether or not you agree that I do, that's how I feel and like I've said, it's the last lingering emotion that I need to tackle.

He certainly doesn't feel any, of course not.

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EK36 · 04/09/2018 12:35

Well done you..you got out of it and moved on. I'm glad you've found somebody lovely now and congratulations on the baby. It's important that you don't ever blame yourself when contemplating the past..it was a bad relationship and it happened. But you would never let it happen again and you are so happy right now. I wish you and your family all the very best.

merville · 04/09/2018 13:36

It sounds like you are too hard on yourself - you are not infallible, everyone makes mistakes, many many people do not end relationships when they see red flags and experience abuse - because you are emotionally invested and attached, because you're shocked, can't process it