Help with what's app

[slapbitchface]

I could do with some help from some what's app experts. My DP has admitted to exchanging messages with a work colleague after I grew suspicious. I tried to look at the messages but they were deleted. He then 'dropped his phone' which has basically resulted in the phone and sim being thrown away - I know they have gone because I was with him when he gave it to the bin man. I have managed to obtain another SIM card for his old number and he now has a new one. My question is 1. Is there anyway of retrieving the messages off a new phone and new sim on his old number and 2. Is there anyway of monitoring what he is doing on his new phone in WhatsApp ?

OP - no - there is no way of monitoring. And if he will cominucate with anyone - there are so many apps to do it with....
And there are apps to mask correct location.
So - if you are going that route - break up now and save yourself lists of anguish...

This is no way to live.

Was his old phone android or iPhone? I think if it’s android WhatsApp backs up to his Google account and can be accessed from a PC/laptop, not sure about iCloud but might be the same. I wouldn’t have a clue how to do it and you would need his google password but I think it can be done. Agree with pp re monitoring going forward though, not healthy for you to have to live like that even if it were possible

It's an iPhone and I checked the cloud but no joy. He says it's over and she doesn't have his new number but I want to make sure

New phone is android

If you set up whatsapp on the new phone with his phone number he was using, say you want to restore messages, it will restore all back to a certain date. Even if they were deleted.

And I only want to monitor for a few weeks to check that he is no longer messaging her

Thanks isthis - will I have to put her number into contacts in order to retrieve them?

Walk away.
Not what you asked, but monitoring his usage isn't a good sign. And tbh any partner who wanted to invade my privacy like this would be told to fuck off.
How are you going to monitor his SC when the messages disappear unless purposely saved because if I knew him I would be suggesting he use that app.

What's SC

OP - there is KIK that doesn’t require a number...
There are fake accounts in FB and communicating via FB messenger -just switching between the real account and the fake one....
There is Viber, Wickr, etc

You can’t ever be sure.
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Seriously, if you choose to stay with him then you have to let this go. You can’t live like that monitoring him and wondering what he’s up to. Stay and trust him, or leave and be free. You will drive yourself insane going down this route (trust me, I’ve been there!)

He only has WhatsApp I feel like I need to be sure it's stopped and he is not lying in order to move on

You can't know he only has WhatsApp.

If he wants to secretly message other people he will one way or another.

You sound very naive.

No Slap you won't need her number as you will just be retrieving messages up until the point he stopped using that number. There is a way to spy on new messages using whatsapp web. I can understand why you want to do this, but I honestly advise you against it.

OP - you won’t retrieve anything - if he was deleting messages - he is smart enough to set the settings such that there is NO backup

You sound totally naive. You want to believe him but think you can check it. You CANT....
He can get any app and hide it....
Install, uninstall...

Pick - trust him or not...

SC = snapchat.
And WhatsApp I delete conversations all the time. I have to, not because of having an intrusive partner but because of my profession.
On Android, it's also very easy to hide apps, and even when not hidden they can be deleted and reinstalled very quickly.
Then, of course, the old save the number under a different name tactic, my clients do this. My WhatsApp picture is a generic one that doesn't ID me, so if they have partners unless they phoned me, don't know who I am and what I do.

If he's gone to those lengths to get rid of the evidence then it's not looking good

OP - what makes you think it was just conversations?
Because he told you?

I'm being naive here but are you insinuating he purposely broke his phone? If so that would be it for me.

I just want to add as well, that with WhatsApp you can use your old number and still have a new number on your phone if that makes sense? So he could still have the old WhatsApp on his phone with a new number. If he redownloads the app then he can choose which number. I have a different number to my WhatsApp on the same phone.

Not worth going to these lengths AT ALL!!!

You either want to move on and trust him or you don't.

And let's be honest, you only want to "monitor" him for a few weeks....yeah that won't happen

He has gone to the lengths of breaking his phone and as has been said, there are A LOT of other ways for him to do it on the sly again

Don't waste your time OP

We have to dc and have been together for a long time I do believe it's just conversations and he is not very tech savvy I pretty much install everything for him. It will be WhatsApp if he uses it again. I have tried reinstalling it but it didn't ask me if I wanted to retrieve old messages - will try again. Thanks for your help everyone

Op.
If you’re energy is going into this then you have to ask yourself why.
You believe in your marriage or you don’t.
Just ask him. And believe him or not.