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Tips for female friendships

43 replies

Mayagoldchoc · 22/08/2018 17:10

I've always struggled with female friendships. I have a few, but only one is currently in regular contact, and the others are very intermittent. I often feel that I struggle to connect with people and struggle to open up to friends and move towards a closer friendship. I have been struggling with feeling lonely particularly since having my children and struggling to make mum friends. Nct group didn't go anywhere and only met loose aquaintances at baby groups. I've basically given up as we'll be moving within the next 6 months/ year, but I'd really like to get get at making closer friends at least for when we move! Next stop knitting group after moving I think! I feel a bit down about it.

I do feel that I struggle with the unwritten rules of social interaction too. A couple of times recently I've have a few nice chats with another mum and then overheard them befriending another mum and making plans to meet! I know not to take it personally, but it's a bit disheartening as it proves that they're up for mum friendships - I know not everyone is - just not with me! This is what makes me say I'm bad at going beyond aquaintance level and building intimacy in general. I know I should ask them for coffee but I've misread the signals before and ended up being ghosted by a member of my nct group. Joined an app for mums but got ghosted straight away and couldn't hack it unfortunately!

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NewDirectionNeeded · 23/08/2018 16:21

Watching with interest...

DULLDull · 23/08/2018 16:25

@GallicosCats. You are so right. You have made me realise what I should have done with those playground mums.

astridforty · 23/08/2018 16:26

There's a bit of a MN offshoot on FB called Chums - sparked from threads about loneliness and how difficult it can be to make friendships. It's a lovely group and I know several people there have gone on to meet up. Might be worth a look

ReturnofSaturn · 23/08/2018 16:31

I'am exactly the same and could have written your OP......
Infact it was just last night I was dwelling in it and getting down .

I have a baby 7mth old and still haven't made any mum friends or connections at all despite going to baby groups etc

I do try to reach out to the other mums and am usually always the first to initiate chat by asking a question etc but rarely do they ask me something back or show any signs of wanting to continue the chat....

I really don't understand it. I'm a completely normal mum etc I'm so so fed up and down with it all... I too then see other mums getting on like a house on fire...after they've pretty much blanked me Hmm

Blessthekids · 23/08/2018 16:44

I agree with junebirthdaygirl!

I volunteered and found that once I became a familiar face, making friends became much easier as I wasn't someone to be nervous around, I was there to help and answer questions.
I would also find hobbies where you can chat to adults about things that are not children. I love a lot of my mum friends but there are times when I want to press mute and say please can we talk about something else than your kids!!! Be a great listener too. Often people just want someone to listen to them! Good luck

cece · 23/08/2018 17:17

I didn't really make any proper friends till they went to school.

ExceptionFatale · 23/08/2018 18:11

I was in this exact situation about 2 years ago. I'm 31 and have been with DH for 5 and a half years now. I met my DH while working as a Network Engineer in the same IT department. I really started lamenting that I missed having a female best friend, as I hadn't had one since my sophmore year of high school. I stayed in touch off and on with the two girls I considered my best friends, but life happens, we all know that.

My friend circle really dwindled after I made the decision to take a sabbatical from work due to burnout from office politics, and I didn't retain any friends from the job except for the DH who was still a relatively new boyfriend (1.5 years). So I literally had two friends, both male engineers that are so hard wired to look at everything with a logical mind they both border on emotional retardation at times :P Sometimes, I really just wanted someone to listen to me instead of attempting to fix the problem!

I'll be honest, I've got awkward down well, and I have the same issue other PPs have discussed...I say really weird inappropriate shit to people I barely know and then I beat myself up about it for the next year (or 5). On top of that, I'm REALLY passionate about my hobbies, the normal things a 30 year old woman is interested in...video games, nerdy fandoms, and purposely breaking my electronics so I can figure out how they work! HmmHmm

I had resigned myself to the fact that the chance of me finding a REAL female friend was probably not going to happen. Bummer, but not willing to change who I am or pretend to like things I consider to be a terrible bore just for female companionship.Well one Sat evening my boyfriends doorbell rang and I huffed a bit as his friends never call before stopping by which drives me bonkers. So he opens the door and I hear a male voice and then a female voice behind it. They're friends of his that he's known for 15+ years, so while still not impressed to be receiving visitors unannounced at 11pm...I say hi, offer a couple drinks, then promptly bury my head in my tablet as my anxiety around new people is often overwhelming. The girl was sitting on my couch while I'm thinking "Who's this great female friend I've never heard of? Hmph!" And then nerdy fate intervened when she asked my DH if he had played a particular video game, and he hadn't but he said "No, but you know that ExceptionFatale is into gaming, I think she has." I think we ended up talking for 3 hours straight that night, and when she left she got my number and texted me the very next day to hang out.

It's been almost 2 years since then and she is my absolute best friend in the world and I honestly adore the woman. I was so neurotic and worried I'd fuck up our friendship by being my weird neurotic self. I apologized to her for not knowing how to "friend" properly and she just gave me a hug and told me that everything was fine, she was just as happy to have a real female friend again. The cool thing is that while we still have our nerd hobbies, she's shown me that I actually do like doing "girly things" like going shopping and having spa days. Things that were outside of my comfort zone before, and I honestly feel far more well rounded as a person than I was.

Sorry for the tangent, my point is that water really does seek its own level which can be great in some cases. Someone worthy of being your friend won't judge you for not "dressing smart" or foregoing makeup or for putting your foot in your mouth occassionally. Any friend I would have made adhering to someone elses expectations of how I "should" look like or be dressed/made-up/coiffed would be a shallow bitch I'd want nothing to do with.

The only other advice besides not putting on some fake version of yourself is to seek out friends based on your interests and hobbies, I think it's an enormous amount of pressure to put on yourself that something is wrong with YOU because you didn't get along with a group of women you literally knew nothing about other than you both shared a life occurance that's fairly common to the rest of humanity. So whatever it is that you love doing, or are passionate about, get involved with it and talk to the other women that are involved too Smile

BTW...about the mommy groups...I can't bite my tongue about this so can I just say that I think a lot of these women are so cliquish and competitive; I've found personally that this bitch behavior stems from the fact that they litetally have no identity beyond "mommy", so when someone that has a developed sense of self, their own dreams and interests they will freeze that woman out of the group or go full on catty mode. People like people who are interesting, I think it can be very threatening to some of these women. Just my 2c!

DULLDull · 23/08/2018 18:48

You're so right ExceptionFatale. What a great post.

DULLDull · 23/08/2018 23:38

And I absolutley agree that some of these groups are cliquish and competitive. The group of playground mums that dumped me this year were a case in point. I was told by one that I had been refused permission to join a message group they had when someone had asked on my behalf when I hadn't even asked anyway Hmm. Shortly afterwards I noticed I was being frozen out. When I approached they would all look a bit twitchy and the invites for coffee stopped. Now all common sense would suggest I must have done something but I really don't have a clue. I didn't bitch it comment, I smiled sweetly and I listened. But as I said up thread I did lack a poker face and struggle with groups. They were nice enough and for some reason I wanted to be part of their weekly coffee meetings even though they just spent most of it not so stealth boasting. Blush. They weren't my people. Next time I'll take a step back and observe. If even one person from a group that large was going to be a friend it was a miracle. I had been dreading seeing them again in September but now I don't care.

MilkshakeMonkey · 24/08/2018 09:02

I can totally relate to this. I over think things and will go over conversations after they’ve happened and beat myself up over what I did/didn’t say.
Baby groups were awful for me, but School playground much better. I don’t involve myself with PTA etc through fear I will get hurt by others.

I have a very good friend who I met through school. When I first came across her I thought she was too good to be my friend, nice car, well presented, friendly to everyone. We got chatting one day (out of the blue) and it just went from there. I guess I’m trying to say is you don’t always have to seek out people.

I’ve noticed one of the other mums (who is popular/can hold a conversation with anyone)always uses people’s names when talking to them (eg. how was your holiday milkshake? ) , I have tried to do this and I don’t know if it’s a subconscious thing but people seem to talk back a bit more.

CoffeeAndCupcakes85 · 24/08/2018 13:50

I can relate to this post and so many of the comments. It’s so hard. I’ve found work colleagues (predominantly female) and The NCT group are particularly cliquey and write me off almost immediately. I just don’t know what I’m doing wrong and it’s eroded the little confidence I have. I always make a huge effort and focus on chatting about them, try and act relaxed/upbeat, make sure I’m keen to meet up without being too insense etc, but sadly my face doesn’t seem to fit with any of the groups Sad.

I also agree that we shouldn’t have to change ourselves, particularly the way we dress, to try and ‘attract’ friends. Surely that’s not genuine friendship? Although I’m a loser so maybe I’m just getting it all wrong Grin.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 24/08/2018 14:05

I've moved around a lot so I've had to start over from scratch with friendships a few times. I have an algorithm now. To start with I don't aim for friendship at all, I aim for as many acquaintances as possible. I go along to loads of organised things, for instance I volunteer to help at school events (I have no interest in joining the PTA but they are often looking for willing helpers), I go to crochet class, I go to an exercise class etc.

When I see acquaintances in passing I don't expect them to stop and talk to me, I smile and say 'hi' and only stop to talk if they stop first. If I'm waiting outside school for pick up I'll say something general like a mild comment about the weather and wait for them to speak back, and don't push forward with the conversation if they don't. I basically don't give anyone any reason to feel that they need to avoid me in case they can't get away from me.

I'm a bit quirky so I want my friends to self-select. So once people have been acquaintances for a while I might say something humorous or something about my interests. Just one comment and if they show no interest then it's back to the weather and short conversations.

I'm always aware the most people already have enough friends, they're not necessarily out looking for new people just because I am. So I need to ease myself gently into lots of lives and let them decide if they want to spend more time with me.

Leobynature · 24/08/2018 14:23

I feel exactly the same and posted a thread a few days ago asking how I could make more friends.

I have 2 close friends (one is not a perfect relationship) and a few acquaintances from work. I would love to meet new people! I am envious of friends who have know each other from school/childhood.

I think I do not have the traits of a popular person. I have foot in mouth syndrome, I ask too many questions, I don’t smile enough, I have an odd sense of humour and I don’t initiate or plan anything. I must try harder. I have recently joined some meet up groups so fingers crossed. I am going to take these tips with me Grin

If anyone is from Birmingham feel free to pm me Smile

Shambu · 24/08/2018 14:30

The key to making friends easily is to be chatty and open and be genuinely interested in other people. Being funny is good too, everyone likes to laugh.

Not some kind of social queen btw, just normal.

JustLurk1ng · 24/08/2018 15:25

@Leobynature lol I could have written your post. Unfortunately I'm nowhere near Birmingham tho Grin

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Rebelwithverysharpclaws · 05/05/2021 11:22

I too struggle with making friends. My dearest friend moved a long way away and I have caught myself being a bit overfriendly and desperate since then - it definitely put people off. I am working on this, keeping busy and working on not caring too much. I have also caught myself out boasting. I thought I was just telling people interesting things about myself, but recently read that people frequently don't mention their achievements in the interests of making friends. Also, we don't need to get hoovered in by the queen bees, there are nicer people on the side lines. Finally, if you have old friends at a distance, ring them up often for a chat, make it a habit. There is no law that says we have to spend our lives drinking coffee with strangers.

YarnOver · 05/05/2021 12:14

I second the not caring thing. Only I think it's probably tricky if you do actually care... I don't- I'm very alternative (whatever that means but it's how people describe me !) Heavily tattooed, pierced, dress differently to all my other friends.... So I alwsys stand out on a playground or the school gates... So I'm not fussed what people think of me (and the positive is that people I assume genuinely like me as if they didn't they likely wouldn't want to hang around with someone entirely opposite to them and standing out !)... So I think you need to have a think about what it is that worries you about making friends, what is is that makes you feel awkward - do you find it hard to start a conversation in the playground for example? If so, have a think about a few things that you could say to break the ice.

Ive moved a lot so do this fairly often although we are staying where we are now... But I find the best shout it alwsys to ask about their kids - how old are they, are they at school / nursery (don't ask about brothers and sisters and stay clear of asking about births - I have had a stillbirth and I absolutely dread being asked about that - so you never know someone's personal circumstances so...keep away from that - I'm sorry though I'm sure you know this ! I'm just thinking on my feet here!)
I ask easy to answer questions and generally within a few answers you find something you can discuss...
It's tricky to suggest meeting up further or taking someone's number and the number of times I've battled with this in my head when I'm having a really nice chat with someone... Am I about to ruin everything by asking for their number or suggesting meeting again? I've found on the whole someone isn't going to say no to swapping numbers so that in itself isn't going to be awkward...and then you can see where the chat goes if you text. Sometimes it will just fizzle out and then some you'll continue and meet up again.

For school ages kids, there's usually a parents whatsapp group so join that. I'm lucky in that both of mine are super friendly. Find out who your kids play with - if they mention good friends in school I've sometimes messaged their parent privately from the group or they have to me to suggest the kids meet up to play. That's kinda acceptable I've found because in going to school you do want your kids to have playdates and friends and if both kids enjoy being together it's not weird to suggest to meet up. I've got to know parents like this and some of them are now really good friends.

It's really hard though OP, especially if you do find it tricky to break the ice. You do need a bit of a thick skin, not to face rejection as I'm sure you're lovely..but to actually suggest swapping numbers etc. That's tricky as it can feel awkward I know.

If you're moving in 6 months then that's a great opportunity to start again ..good luck! I've made all my friends without going to groups as I don't enjoy them so I haven't bothered.

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