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Married - PND - affair - what next?

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lawyerbunny1978 · 16/08/2018 11:47

This is my first post, so hello everyone!

I'll keep it as short as I can, but it's a complicated situation so apologies for the length. It's a bit of a page-turner, so I'd put the kettle on!

My husband and I have been married for 10 years. We met nearly 16 years ago. We had a really deep connection though we're quite different on the surface. Both professionals with what became Big Jobs - long hours etc. We agree that we supported one another to become really successful.

In 2014 we had our son and moved about 60 miles north to be closer to my family (his live over 400 miles away).

He then started his own business with a former female colleague. We were trying for our second at the time. I asked him to wait before doing the new co. I had this awful feeling that it would stretch us to breaking point. He went ahead, wouldn't talk to me about it, thought I was just 'anti'. He travelled a lot with work, round the world, staying away up to 50% of his time.

We had our second (daughter) in November 2017. Around then, he saw a solicitor about getting divorced, but didn't go ahead. He left on another work trip less than 24 hours after she was born and was away for almost all of December. I was exhausted, we were snowed in, it was just horrible.

Over Christmas, he told me that he thought we were over but wasn't sure whether to try to sort things out or divorce. I knew we'd lost the spark, but hey we were under so much pressure...I thought this was the bit we had to grit our teeth to get through.

I was diagnosed with PND not long after. Looking back, I think it was more than that. I was paranoid, anxious, couldn't sleep...I was suicidal at times. We had a lot of arguments. He became more and more distant. He wanted me to go onto anti-depressants, which I did. His parents have never liked me and I think they encouraged him to leave. His 'co-founder' decided I was 'toxic'. He left, in May, after another horrible argument. Children are now 3 1/2 and 8m.

He's been renting a room, has been totally absorbed in his business. He travels a helluva lot, is totally exhausted. Claims to miss the children, but seldom asks how they are. I've been trying to keep talking, sending pictures of children etc.

We started relationship counselling in the Spring. It really helped us to understand why we each behaved as we did, to communicate much better. He admits he has been all over the place, seriously struggling day to day. He has been on medication for borderline personality disorder for about a year, which he says helps. He says he feels sad all the time, can't enjoy life...

Then in June I discovered that he was dating women online. He rushed back to Oxford after a counselling session, to take one to the theatre. I mean FFS. He insisted it was just a friend and that's all he was looking for. I found out through a friend of mine, who had seen his profile, that he was looking for a long-term relationship.

When confronted, he insisted 'we've separated; I'm single'. I don't see how 'we' can have separated when I didn't want that - I thought we were still trying to work things out, but with him staying away for a while to stop the arguments...

He said he'd stopped. Then, in July, he met another woman - divorced - and started sleeping with her about 2 weeks ago. She knows he's married with children. Nice lady (!)

I saw him on Saturday. He looked terrible. He's going away now for a week, completely alone, to try to sort his head out. I've begged him not to see this 'lady' again before he goes. She's the last thing he needs. I pity her. She sounds hurt, lonely and probably desperate for company. (Yes, I'm also devastated/angry/want her to go and stand in the sea, etc). He's all of those things too. He has few close friends/family.

He is starting to recognise that he's in the middle of a breakdown. He is seriously depressed, says everything in his life is going wrong and he doesn't know what to do. He's seeing a psychiatrist today. I'm trying to offer as much support as I can, he's in a mess.

I don't know where our relationship can go after this. I don't know whether I can trust him again. I do still love him, but so much respect has gone. Do I put this 'affair' down to a breakdown? Do I close the door and move on? I'm putting the children front and centre. They need a father who is well, so I feel I have to support him right now. Myself, I feel like I'm in a good place now, keeping the show on the road. Children are happy, though son knows Daddy has gone away and hates it when he comes in and goes again.

He thinks he'll come back from his holiday having decided whether he wants us to keep trying. Am I an idiot for letting this drag on? Sorry for the great long post. Any advice/support/experience very welcome.

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Jammin3 · 16/08/2018 12:32

Honey you are doing the pick me dance. If he was dedicated enough he'd be working on your marriage. he's not, he doesnt care for any woman right now.

Shut the door and stop letting him swan into your lives when it suits him

Musti · 16/08/2018 12:40

It doesn't sound like he wants to be a father or the responsibility of it. He's not changed his life at all. And Then on top of it he's seeking women elsewhere.

butterfly56 · 16/08/2018 13:08

Oh dear OP Flowers

IME You are really on a hiding to nothing with this man.
My exh has BPD and it was hell living through it all. It got a lot lot worse when I told him I was leaving.
This is not a marriage and your are being used as a surrogate mother for him to tell his troubles to.
He isn't even interested in his children.
He does not have the capacity to even think about you as his beloved wife and mother of his children.

Apart from the fact that he blames you and everyone else for everything that is wrong in his life. Having sex with other women. Deserting you for very long periods of time.

The longer you stay with him the more your mental health will suffer.
Your self esteem hits rock bottom and all you can think of is how to try and make this misery of a man happy. Believe me, nothing will work and he will carry on hurting you and ruining your life.

Read the book Walking On Eggshells. Living With A Borderline Personality it will give you some insight into what you are up against.

I hope you find the strength to put yourself and your children first and find some happiness. Flowers

lawyerbunny1978 · 16/08/2018 13:12

Thanks folks : )

The 'pick me dance' - I don't think so. He's been gone for months now and frankly I don't need him around the place. Is he dedicated to sorting us out? No. I'm under no illusions about that. He knows he needs to knuckle down to either doing that, or knowing he will never be a part of this family's life again.

As to changing his life, his father is a rather dominating role model in his life. His father worked extremely long hours, was away (military doctor) for long periods, 'retired' 3 years ago but still works. He thinks being away is normal, that that and paying the bills is how to take responsibility and be successful. His mother wasn't much different, the children were raised by nannies and au pairs. But I agree that he hasn't changed his life. If we go any further, that has to change.

I may be being very soft here, but shutting the door on someone who is suffering a real mental health crisis doesn't feel right. I have known him for 16 years, and the man I am seeing today is NOT him. I honestly think this is a breakdown.

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HollowTalk · 16/08/2018 13:13

You can't possibly go back and have any kind of happy marriage with him. He's really cruel. Always keep at the front of your mind the fact that he left you alone with the children just after giving birth and you were snowed in. Think about it. What kind of man does that?

category12 · 16/08/2018 13:22

I'm not sure that you need to be in a relationship with this man. You can be supportive of his mental health issues, without putting yourself through the wringer (for someone who has cheated on you and is continuing to do so).

Separate the things out - you don't need to be with him for him to be a good father or for him to get well again.

Jammin3 · 16/08/2018 13:23

The 'pick me dance' - I don't think so. He's been gone for months now and frankly I don't need him around the place

But you asked him not to see him new woman, you are considering closing the door on everything that has happened and starting again. It sure looks like it.

Then, in July, he met another woman - divorced - and started sleeping with her about 2 weeks ago. She knows he's married with children. Nice lady

He's probably spun her some BS. As far as hes concerned he's checked out the marriage and doesn't feel like he has to uphold his vows to you. That's not her fault.

I don't know where our relationship can go after this

Is there even one?

Honestly it sounds like HIS behaviour has battered you down. His parents weren't friends of your marriage by the sound of it - they can support him whatever he does. He isn't your responsibility. He said he is single.

He has be AWFUL to you! YOU needed support and he didn't give it to you!

You sound like a lovely woman who wants to see the best of him, but there's no justifying the way he is treating you

onedayonedaymaybe · 16/08/2018 13:25

So he's been gone for months and he's technically single but yet he is having an affair?

LadyMofMtsensk · 16/08/2018 13:31

This might sound stark, but have you had a good look into the state of his finances? I'd be worried the chaos would be spilling into all areas of his life.

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 16/08/2018 13:33

I think you want us to tell you the marriage is worth fighting for...
It isn't though, he's never been there for you from the commencement of your famlly-you asked him to hold off on starting the business, he completely disregarded your feelings & opinion on this & ploughed ahead anyway-because it suited him.
He then fucked off immediately after the birth of your 2nd child & was nowhere to be found during your PND-this is when he should have been giving you his all, that's what a good husband does.
He's suiting himself & keeping you dangling-find your self respect & tell him you're done, not to shock him into wanting your marriage but because you actually mean it.

TheVanguardSix · 16/08/2018 13:36

Who he is now is who he is now. Yesterday’s man isn’t around to sort out who he is today.
Try not engaging in his mess and look after you and your kiddies. It’s all you can do right now. There is no relationship now to speak of. Flowers

Pidlan · 16/08/2018 13:39

I agree with oneday - I think that since you are separated, you are both in a place to move on to new relationships. Calling the relationships he's had after he's left you isn't really fair or conducive to a good future relationship/friendship for you two.
You can always support him as the mother of his children, maybe as his friend, but for both your sakes, I'd let him go if I were you.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 16/08/2018 13:40

I think you need to ditch him.

How much support did he give you when your mental health was up the spout? Not much by the sound of it - " I was paranoid, anxious, couldn't sleep...I was suicidal at times. We had a lot of arguments. He became more and more distant. "

But when he's ill you need to try your hardest, even when he is / has been sleeping with other women?

No thanks. All of it was in his power to do differently. He chose to start up the new company when it was a bad time and you told him as much. He took on travelling 50% of the time when he had a depressed wife with 2 small kids at home.

I'd say he's made his bed TBH.

hellsbellsmelons · 16/08/2018 16:11

says everything in his life is going wrong and he doesn't know what to do
Well who's fucking fault is that??
It's his own friggin' fault.
So he goes OLD and shags other women.
Now his poor head is a mess.
Ahhhh. diddums!
I hate men like this.

This is your life and only you can decide what to do.
I know what I'd be doing though!

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