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Should I leave him?

46 replies

nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 11:35

My husband and I have a 20 month old son, and I am 4 months pregnant with our second child. I work full time in finance, and he works full time too. He goes out a lot with work and so I always have to do pick up (we get someone to drop our son at nursery as I leave first and then my husband, both before nursery opens). my husband goes out loads with work and also with friends. The last 9 weeks he has been away with work during the week, so i take the brunt of household chores while getting up at 5.30 the next day to go to work, and having had a few scares with this pregnancy (we have been offered amnio at 32 weeks, which is a large stress on my mind) my daughter also isnt sleeping. With the wmbledon tennis goign on and the football over the summer, my husband also was out at least 1 - 3 times a week. Thing is, when he goes out he gets obliterated. he goes to these lunches and they start at 12.30 and finish at 1 am. He rarely tells me when he is back, so i lie awake, knowing im up at 5.30, waiting for him to come through the door. I tell him to go to the spare room when he is coming back drunk as the smell of the alcohol and also he snores when he has been drinking, even if he is home at 9.30 pm bc i cant sleep easily anyway (let alone when pregnant), but more often than not he "forgets" because he is so drunk and just comes in and when i ask him to leave and go next door he loses his head and last time he was so drunk he started hitting himself in the head repeatedly as I was saying please go next door repeatedly. it was very strange.

next day, I always try brush over it as I hate the atmosphere, and I understand before we had children, we liked to go out togehter. I understand it was part of our life, but now we have children, now I work full time and often once I pick my son up I bath him, put him to bed, then have to work until 10 at night at the kitchen table, then back to bed and up at 5.30 am again - i am exhausted.
again the other night he went out and he forgot his keys and he climbed in through the window and scared me and woke up our son. then he went to bed and passed out snoring while i dealt with my son and it took an hour to get him back to sleep.

he has been away a lot with work as well, and i know its work, but still i feel that if he is out the house, then he needs to make time to support at home, not come back and go out.

Anyway, this week has been really bad as my son is unwell, and my husband is going on holiday to Belgium for 4 days to help his mum box up their house which i totally understand ,but I am at my witts end on a major project and the timing is just unfortunate as he has been away EVERY WEEK with work.
he said on monday night he had a lunch with a boozy ex colleague on tuesday that was "sprung" on him. I said please dont make it a long one - i really need to start my 4 days solo with our son not totally shattered, so would appreciate if you can come home by 6 pm so i can have help with him before you go to Belgium. I was texting my husband yesterday in the day as I had been vomitting at work as my nausea is back. At 5 pm i asked him what sort of time he would plan to come home - he said 9 pm. and I LOST IT. I lost my temper,, all over text, said please come home sooner how can you leave me to do this etc (i said things i regret but im feeling desparate). this went on for hours, and in the end i said please stay with your sister (she lives nearby) as I cannot have a night where i dont know if youare coming in/ when you are / what state you are in when you do stumble into the house. He agreed and I locked the front door putting the chain on.
my son screamed the house down and didnt settle until midnight last night, and i finally got my son and myself to sleep at 12.30 and at 1 am i heard a banging- my husband had forgotten i said i would lock up and go to bed, and he was banging on the door. He was in a terrible state. he couldnt tell me where he had been (i am 100% sure he wouldnt cheat though) and he couldtn string a sentence together. I was begging him to sleep downstairs so as not to wake my son. AFter persistent hushed converstaions where he just ignored me and tried to push past me on the stairs, he passed out on the floor.

I then lay in bed my heart racing and just crying (i dotn cry much). I dont know what I have done. I am bringing someone into the world and I dont know what I can offer the baby in terms of family stability. My poor son as well - I want him to have a happy family life, but I feel so unhappy. I woke up and my instinct is to try and make things better adn just say "this must never happen again" and accept my husbands apology (he is great at apologies next day!) but I cant see this patern will change. Night before my hen party (when we had a 6 month old son and I had not been out for a year, while my husband had been out loads) my husband went for "a drink" with his best friend and came in at 5 am and I was so heartbroken - i really wanted him to be home, tell me when he was back, but instead he had said he would be back at midngight and had left me thre until 5 am waiting and fuming.

Should i just suck it up and start getting used to sleeping with the prospect of him coming in? Has he got an alcohol problem (doesnt know when to stop?) Last night when i texted saying "but you promised you would come home and help with my sons nigthmare bed time" he said "if you had asked nicely i would have come home but you didnt so im staying out". This isnt like him - he wouldnt be like this when he was sober.

Please advise. I have a really high pressured job and im workingon a promotion to help us financially, im up against it. Im due to go on holiday with my husband and son next week when he is back from belgium and i want to tell him not to come and maybe if i take action - not use words - i can instigate a change to his behaviour?

or maybe its my fault? any advice appreciated x

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hellsbellsmelons · 15/08/2018 14:29

pulling the plug and not giving him another opportunity to change
Ahhhh.. the age old problem of an enabler of an alcoholic.
When do you cut and run???
Look at google at the 'sunk cost falacy'

Also, he is an alcoholic with a job, how is going to care for your son while you are away?
I would not be leaving my DC with an alcoholic no matter what he promised.
Go away with your DS and without him.
He needs to leave you in peace.
Kick him out for a while.
He will never learn unless you actually follow through on threats.

nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 14:34

the issue is that he scoffs when I say that he is an alcoholic / has a disfunctional relationship with alcohol
I know he wouldnt drink next week because he wouldnt be going out with work / friends as he would have my son.
thats the thing - he doesn tdrink when he is home
but this morning when I had to leave for work and wake him up on the floor in the living room to give him the monitor for listen out for my son, i was worried leaving my son with him as i know my husband was still drunk when he woke up.

i would miss my son anyway - i adore spending time with him, and i know my OH does too, but i do need thinking time. its bad timing for the holiday.

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Clutterbugsmum · 15/08/2018 14:50

His actions are speaking louder then his words aren’t they.

They’re saying as long as you go along with what he wants then and only then will he seek help.

Don’t leave your son with him. Go on the holiday as planned. He now using emotional blackmail to force you to do what he wants and forget about his behaviour.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/08/2018 15:00

Denial of the problem is commonly seen in alcoholics.

I would either take his name off the booking or go on this holiday only with your son. Your H is not a fit person to be around or to take care of his child.

thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 15:07

Don't put up with this, you know it's not right. You would've better on your own . Your kids are little and the impact on a split will be less than when they are older. I think a serious conversation needs to be had. Your not happy and he doesn't seem to care. I feel for you , don't put up with this x

thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 15:08

Not sure I agree that we can judge if he's an alcoholic , sounds like he likes to pretend he doesn't have responsibilities to me !

thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 15:12

Take your son on holiday why should he and you miss out because your husband is a dick. I'm sorry he doesn't get to call the shots. He's not bothered what your sons doing when he's drinking so he by should he deny him a holiday. I'm sorry you need to be strong with this one. Do not let him control this.

thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 15:21

How old is your Daughter ? X

nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 15:28

thismummydrinksgin -
son
i only have one son
and i am pregnant but I dont know the sex.

xx

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nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 15:32

ah just saw - yes just one son, 20 months old!

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thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 15:47

Is it out the question to go on holiday together without distractions so you can try to talk and sort things out? X

RivanQueen · 15/08/2018 16:19

i told him i think it best he stays home from the holiday and he has said he only will if my son does. obviously i would hate to leave my son behind, i am so looking forawrd to seeing him every day as he is at childcare full time, and yet I am conscious i do not want to use him as a pawn in our problems.

You might not want to use your DS as a pawn in your problems but your DH obviously doesn't have a problem doing just that. He is using emotional blackmail to get you to go back to enabling him and allowing his pathetic apologies be enough to make up for his horrid behaviour.
Go on your holiday, take your DS with you and leave your H at home. He is an alcoholic and like PP's have said his behaviour is not going to suddenly change or get better. Your DS would not be safe left in your H's care. You say he wouldn't drink while he's looking after him but he's lied to you about his drinking before, saying he'd be home by 6pm then it's 9pm then it's when he feels like it because you're being unreasonable by expecting him to be a responsible parent and partner. He's an addict, lying about his drinking is (unfortunately) to be expected. He needs to get help and until he is willing to do so you need to tell him to find somewhere else to pass out at night.

I feel for you OP, it's an awful situation to be in but you need to put your DS, yourself and your new baby first. Ask yourself what you are getting out of this relationship? It sounds like you're pretty much a single parent now anyway and he's not bringing anything worthwhile to the family. Speak to Al-Anon, they will help you.

LannieDuck · 15/08/2018 16:43

This is his problem, not yours. He needs to take responsibility for solving it.

What's his solution? He knows how he acts when he has a drink. He knows how much it upsets you. He can see (on his texts) what an absolute asshole he is. Plus he's leaving his sick, pregnant wife to do all the childcare / overnights when he should be sharing it. And he's regularly disrupting your sleep. He's being incredibly selfish - does he acknowledge that?

So what's his plan for next time he goes on a boozy lunch?

If he doesn't have a solution, or if that solution fails at his next lunch, I would absolutely cut my losses with him.

nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 16:53

thank you
it is a good point - I should ask him how he expects it to change next boozy lunch. he is in client entertainment so he does need to go out - but i have seen him even as he leaves a table necking an entire full glass as he heads off - his relationship with alcohol is that of a binge drinking student.

it is difficult - yet important - for me to read your generous responses. My automatic response is that I have over reacted and that I could just let it go and stop making a bit deal out of it.
I would so love to have us all there on holiday (1) beause my son is visibly excited when we are all together and (2) because it would be nice to have a helping pair of hands - he is quite physical at th emoment, especially not sleeping, and pushes against my belly and its so uncomfortalbe! It would be nice to have soeone to team up with.

he is full of remorse today. says he will get help says he is so sorry and ashamed.
it isnt the first time i have heard it.
he still doesnt believe he is an alcoholic just that he has issues.
maybe the label is too much. he has gone to belgium (as far as I know)
i wish sometimes i didnt work, i could pick up DS and just book a ticket somewhere and get out of here, go missing for a bit. its all too much emotion and i find it quite painful x

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nickname7890 · 15/08/2018 16:54

[by missing i mean MIA, just go on a refresh adventure - not actually be a missing person!!! ]

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thismummydrinksgin · 15/08/2018 17:05

Your not over reacting. Although think some of responses may not be relevant to you due to his line of work. You do need to talk to him and make him listen. It's not fair on you or your son and will be harder as your son gets older x

HollowTalk · 15/08/2018 17:09

It's a really awful situation and I agree with the others that he's an alcoholic.

You say he can go for periods without drinking. As you are looking forward to your holiday so much, and I appreciate it would be tough for you on your own with your son in an unfamiliar place, would he agree to not drink a drop on holiday if he could go with you?

I would not go without your son. Why should you? Your husband is at fault here, not you. You want to spend time with your son, so do so. He can't want to that badly, otherwise he'd be at home more often.

HelenUrth · 15/08/2018 17:11

My automatic response is that I have over reacted and that I could just let it go and stop making a bit deal out of it.

You are not over-reacting. If anything you are under-reacting.

It would be nice to have soeone to team up with.

Currently he's worse than having an extra child to deal with.

he is full of remorse today. says he will get help says he is so sorry and ashamed.
it isnt the first time i have heard it.
he still doesnt believe he is an alcoholic just that he has issues.

When is he going to get help? If it's not today, right now, then he doesn't mean it. Ignore any protestations of he has to get his head around it (or whatever) before he can arrange to see someone, go to an AA meeting or whatever he thinks will shut you up.

Of course it isn't the first time you've heard it. And he has gotten away with it before so isn't going to behave any differently now, why would he believe things aren't exactly the same? Until you behave differently, he will still behave the same.

Of course he doesn't believe he's an alcoholic. And he won't until he hits his "rock bottom". Letting him get there is the most generous thing you can do for him. You can't change him, but you can let him experience the consequences of his actions. Perhaps then he might cop on. Tell him to get the hell out of your life until he addresses his alcoholism "issues".

MrsMozart · 15/08/2018 17:24

Blinking heck lass, this is no way to be living your life.

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 15/08/2018 17:28

Practically speaking you would manage fine. You are virtually a single parent already, only most single parents no longer have an absolute liability making their life intolerable.

Sorry, op, but he is an absolute dick, alcoholic or not. Please save your kids years of future misery and get rid of him.Flowers

NadiaLeon · 15/08/2018 21:05

I think people should remember that he is a sick person (he has the illness of alcoholism), not a bad person.
Yes, he does bad things, but he is mentally sick.

His head is telling him he is not alcoholic. It's not his fault per se, but it is his responsibility.
You have NO influence as to whether he sorts himself out. If he wants to get better, he will do.
If he doesn't he won't.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Most (not all) alcoholics fight reality for a long time, and many go to the grave not believing they are alcoholics.

It affects others too...
A friend of mine's neighbour died at the age of 39 from alcoholic liver cirrhosis. He had a wife and 2 young kids.
When my friend approached the wife to offer condolences, he then asked why the deceased husband didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous.
The wife responded 'He wasn't that bad' !

He died of alcoholism before his forties, yet wasn't bad enough to go to AA! Crazy. Denial is strong in the alcoholics, and sometimes their family/friends.

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