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Fiancé has left me, don’t know what to do

26 replies

Mum1g2b · 07/08/2018 04:30

I have never done this before but feel like I need some independent advice. I’ve spoken to friends and family and they are sympathetic and say don’t worry you’re strong you’ll get through this but I don’t feel strong and I don’t know how to get through it.

My fiancé left me last week. We’ve been together over 4 years and have a 5 month old son. I have 2 other kids from a previous relationship also which my fiancé was great with, they considered him their stepdad.

We have had some trust issues throughout our relationship. They started at the beginning when I found he was in contact with an ex and other girls through social media. He also lied about stupid stuff like his whereabouts on nights out. The trust thing has never fully been resolved as it always came up if we fell out about other stuff but overall we were happy, or I thought we were. We were affectionate, told each other I love you and spent time together without the kids. The trust thing came up again most recently when I was around 6 months pregnant and found he’d googled his ex. He said it was boredom/curiosity. I told him I wanted to leave but he asked me to stay for our family and I did. We split up briefly (a day) when our baby was a month old because the issue about googling his ex came up again. I think I’d parked it because I was pregnant and I needed to speak about it. He admitted he’d been sat next to me on the sofa when he did it and that broke my heart. We spoke about it all and agreed to get the trust back we needed to forget about everything that had happened before, draw a line and move on. We said we needed to communicate more if things bothered us. I agreed I needed to work on trusting him. He said splitting up would never come from him. Since then (March) things have been better on that front. We’ve had little arguments about other stuff but nothing major and we’ve been planning for the future, booked a holiday, planned an adults only trip next year and looked at moving house.

Last week we were watching tv in the evening and I felt he was on his phone a lot and was clearly messaging. He’s always on his phone but normally he’ll talk about what he’s doing if speaking to friends or reading something on social media. Something just felt off but I tried to put it out of my mind and didn’t say anything. The next day I was struggling fighting against my insecurities and the fact we said we would draw a line. At night he asked me if everything was okay, we said we’d say if something was bothering us so I told him how I was feeling. He became very defensive and said there was nothing in it. I said fine and referenced how we said we would talk to each other. Later that night I went to bed, he was still unhappy so I messaged him saying I was sorry for bringing it up. He replied saying it was over. I asked why and he said he doesn’t love me anymore, has been forcing himself to be with me for months, he is done trying to make the relationship work and isn’t happy.

I begged him to give us another chance but he refused and has moved out the next day, initially to a hotel but is now staying with family.

I just don’t understand why when I’ve given him chances previously he’s not prepared to do the same and has completely closed the door on us. He won’t even consider trying and refuses now to talk about it. I have messaged trying to get answers and asking him to talk but he just ignores me.

Things have been tough with having a new baby too. I feel he leaves most of that to me, he’s never done an overnight feed for example. He saw our baby for a few hours at the weekend, hasn’t said anything about stepkids. Things were very strained but civil when he came to collect our baby. When he dropped him back I expected a conversation around when he wanted to see him next but all I got was ‘okay thanks’. I have heard nothing from him since and I’m forcing myself to be strong and not contact him. Partly because I won’t humiliate myself again and partly because everyone says give him space but meantime I’m left with all the responsibilities we shared.

I just don’t know where to go from here. I want us to be together and work but don’t know how to accept he doesn’t. I thought we were happier but he said he wasn’t but never told me until now. Why would he let me book and pay for a family holiday, talk about and look at new homes, be intimate and tell me he loved me if he was unhappy and having to force himself to be with me? Surely I would have seen some sign. I know people fall out of love but the timing of his choosing to walk away from his family feels shameful.

I moved to his town when we moved in together. It’s a small town and I have no real friends or family here. I’ve thought about moving back but my kids lives are well established here and my eldest is about to start high school so I don’t think the upheaval of moving would be fair to them. I split from their dad when they were young and I’m really concerned how another failed relationship might affect them.

I think I’ve rambled enough now, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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Domino20 · 07/08/2018 04:43

He doesn't love or respect you and your instincts to not trust him are, in all probability, correct. I realise that this is absolutely not what you want to hear. Please work on a way to try and move on, you don't deserve to be treated like this. Huge hugs x x

inshockrightnow · 07/08/2018 05:57

I'm so sorry. I think you minimised much of his behaviour: lying about his whereabouts is a big deal for instance. As is contacting an ex out of boredom when you were carrying his child.

You sound like you so wanted this relationship to work but his heart isn't in it. He has been nothing but disrespectful, selfish and callous.

You are too upset to see these things now, but in time you will. Marrying him would not change anything.

I'm so sorry, you sound like a lovely, kind woman. Lean on friends and family now, people that have your best interests at heart.

TeacupTattoo · 07/08/2018 06:08

I'm really sorry you are going through this, I agree with previous posters - his actions are not those of somebody who cares about you. Lies and disrespect when pregnant are not love. He's been using you and that feels awful but you have to accept it. Concentrate on the children, their cuddles will give you strength. If you have people who can support you, lean on them, and carry on posting and you WILL get through this. I was with my husband 10 years before his behaviour got to a point where I knew he didn't truly care...it hurts but I found peace and then a couple of years later found a truly decent man who would move heaven and earth to look after me and support his step-children. You can do this!

Mum1g2b · 07/08/2018 08:15

Thank you for your messages and whilst not want I want to hear, deep down I know it’s what I need to hear. I’ll never understand his decision to give up on us when we have a 5 month old, the timing just seems so cold. I’m a rational person and can’t rationalise his behaviour which is frustrating too!

Kids are my only priority now.

Thanks again.

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yearofreckoning · 07/08/2018 09:01

I have no real advice but I just want to say I am sorry this happened to you . You did nothing wrong. You are strong enough to get through this ThanksSmile

AgentJohnson · 07/08/2018 09:14

Essentially he’s disrespected you your entire relationship and you’ve made attempts to ignore your gut and pretend that this wasn’t him but you know it is.

This could go one of two ways, to scare the shit out of you so that when he returns, you keep your mouth shut and not challenge him in the future or, he’s decided he wants the freedom to pursue random women and he’s tired of you and his children cramping his style.

He’s done you a massive favour at a really shitty time. Mourn the man you were desperate for him to be and accept the complete shit he unfortunately has always bee.

Katgurl · 07/08/2018 09:15

I'm sorry but I am a bit confused by all this.

Lying about his whereabouts is big. Can you give some more context?

Talking to girls on social media depends entirely on the context. Are they friends of his (fine) or just girls he started following based on their pics (not fine at all and I would have left then).

Googling his ex; definitely could be down to boredom or curiosity and nothing else.

I am not trying to make you feel worse as I can't imagine what it's like to be essentially abandoned with a baby.

But I am just trying to play devil's advocate here - if in the very early days there was a very mild trust issue (and I'll hold my hands up here and say I find it hard to let things go) followed by relentless suspicion, accusations, interrogation then eventually he was always going to crack. Let's say he was just messaging a mate that day, he then noticed you were giving him the cold shoulder, a few hours of passive aggressive behaviour later you told him you were suspicious then started messaging him that night about how upset you were. Well add to that he's tired with the baby too, feels he's doing his best and nothing is ever good enough.

Look I'm not saying this is what is going on. only you can answer that. But if you provide more context to your initial concerns it might be easier to advise.

Mum1g2b · 07/08/2018 10:14

Katgurl, I appreciate you playing devils advocate, it’s helpful.

I know fault for the relationship failing lies at my door too. He’s not a bad man, I wouldn’t have stayed with and had a planned baby with him if he was. He was great with my step kids as mentioned in my op and we’ve had some really great times in the last 4 years. He has also done some inconsiderate things that you just don’t do in a grown up relationship (in my opinion).

Messaging his ex, posting pics of him and her when he was on a night out (I didn’t have insta but a friend showed me) and telling me he was home when he was out clubbing. This is where the trust issues started. I can honestly say prior to this I wasn’t that type of girlfriend but I did struggle with it after this. The other girls were what I would describe as randoms, people he didn’t really know. He had friends that were girls too and I never had any issue with that because they were true friends and over the years I met most of them too. The ex he never even mentioned prior to the snapchatting.

I struggled to regain the trust completely because just when I thought we were getting somewhere something else would happen, usually with the ex on social media. It wasn’t constant but after the initial stuff there was probably another 3 or 4 things and part of me was probably waiting on it happening. The most recent being when I was pregnant when he looked up his ex. I know men do this and it can be just boredom, I’ve talked to my brother but I’m going to be brave here and say most decent men wouldn’t do it sitting next to their pregnant fiancée no matter how bored or curious they were when they know there are already trust issues.

He possibly was just messaging a mate but it felt different. He is on his phone every night and we didn’t fall out about that.

As I say I know I’m at fault because I never managed to regain trust completely and I accept that would have been hard for him too but when he made mistakes I tried to work through it and he begged me to keep trying. So it’s hard that he doesn’t want to do the same but I’m starting to see it’s probably for the best.

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inshockrightnow · 07/08/2018 10:30

You seem willing to shoulder more blame than you should. Trust takes time, often a great deal of time, to build back up. Your inability to trust him sooner is not something to feel bad about.

Sounds like you are in denial. Yes, you had good times, but really, how often were you on edge? Felt he was being dishonest?

It's time to take off the rose-coloured glasses. From your posts, he sounds very immature.

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 11:00

Sounds like his messaging wasn't in the least bit innocent at all. And now he's managed to leave the relationship to whatever back-up plan he was arranging and turn the entirety of the blame around on you.

This was not you, OP. You didn't do this. You were being completely reasonable and understanding - it sounds like you have been the whole way through - at least as much as anyone can be. He's being horrendous trying to make you think that you did this. A heartless liar to the very end.

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Katgurl · 07/08/2018 13:13

Hi OP,

I don't think your concerns were unfounded, he sounds like a man who is always going to behave a little less honourably than he should, even when times are great... So how can you expect him to be someone to pull through tough times with you? In short he sounds too weak and insecure to really go through thick and thin with you.

I also think you could never fully relax with a man like this.

How much of your relationship do you spend feeling totally loved and secure? If it's less than half then it really doesn't matter whose fault it is (I don't think it's yours though for the record), that's your time you're spending with someone who doesn't make you feel happy, loved and cherished. At the end of the day your time is the most precious thing you have. Please don't waste it on someone who makes you sad.

PickAChew · 07/08/2018 13:20

He's saved you from a lifetime of this shit Flowers

cakecakecheese · 07/08/2018 13:38

I know it hurts but it is very difficult to continue to be with someone when the trust isn't there and they don't act like they even want to be with you.

hellsbellsmelons · 07/08/2018 13:49

I agreed I needed to work on trusting him
Why YOU?
He's the one who broke your trust.
What was he doing to 'win' it back?
I'll tell what he was doing.
Talking to more women on Social media. Trying to get back in touch with his Ex and no doubt now, cheating on you.

It's hard to hear but this person is a lying, cheating snake.
You forgave him way too easily.
He now has no respect for you because you've shown very little for yourself.
You should have dumped him years ago when he was flirting with other women.

But... hopefully, you know that now.
Please get real life support around you.

He's had his head turned and he thinks the grass is greener.
Just take it one day at a time for now.

RomanyRoots · 07/08/2018 13:59

Sounds like he's done you a favour my love.
it seems as though you'd forgive anything to stay with him, which is never healthy.
You are better off splitting now, you'll be fine in time.
Concentrate on your dc for the next few years at least, and give men a wide berth, while you sort out who you are and what you want from life.

PerverseConverse · 07/08/2018 14:07

Sorry you're going through this. Sounds like he has an OW seeing as he left so easily. My stbexh did the same, refused marriage counselling, refused to discuss etc. Turned out he'd been having an affair.
Concentrate on the practicalities. Contact the council for reduced council tax and see if you're eligible for housing benefit. Contact tax credits and say you're now single. Start a claim for child maintenance. The practicalities will help you massively. Take each day at a time and before you know it you'll be months down the line and feel much more in control and happier. Being single is so much better than being with a man like him. He's done you a favour and freed you up for happiness Thanks

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/08/2018 14:23

Sorry you're upset, OP.

I think you should consider moving back to your hometown - especially before your eldest starts high school. You'll have more support and help with the baby there. And happier Mum = happier kids.

I also think you should expect an OW to pop up soon. [sorry]

Mum1g2b · 07/08/2018 18:02

I never really knew what to expect when I posted this morning as I’ve never done this before but I appreciate the honest (sometimes brutally honest) replies and advice. They have helped me gain some perspective.

I still don’t think the relationship was all bad and I have my son and I wouldn’t change that but I’m beginning to realise it wasn’t how a relationship should be. I guess when you’re in it that’s sometimes hard to see, especially when you love the person, have invested so much in it and therefore want it to work so badly.

I will definitely be giving men a miss for a long time as you suggest Romanyroots and concentrating on my kids.

Thank you for taking the time to respond x

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littledinosaurs · 07/08/2018 18:35

Really feel for you OP. Take care of yourself Thanks

Mum1g2b · 09/08/2018 09:23

So on tues I contacted him to try to sort some practicalities (finances, arrangements to see his baby/stepkids and his dog who he left with me). He didn’t ignore me and we had a quite an amicable conversation. He arranged to see his baby and asked if his stepkids could/wanted to come too. I said I would ask them and get back to him. He said he would like it if we could try to be friends. I told him I had accepted the relationship was over but was still angry with the coldness of his actions and how he’d just walked out on his family but that maybe with time we could be friends.

So the next morning he messaged me asking if I wanted him to tell a woman he works with who is also my friend what has happened. I said I had only told my best friends and close family so far and wasn’t sure I was ready for that. Anyway the conversation continued and he admitted he’s told no one other than his Mum (purely because he had to as he’s moved in with his Gran). He also admitted his decision was selfish but it was right for him. I asked why he hadn’t told any of his close mates and he said because it’s none of their business - possibly a guy thing? He also mentioned he’d seen one of our friends (one I’ve told) and he didn’t think she was speaking to him. I asked what he expected and that regardless of him feeling the decision was right for him most people would think he was a bit of a dick and he needed to face up to that. I actually went as far to say he perhaps should tell a couple of his close friends for some support!

I’d asked my kids if they wanted to see them - I feel they are old enough that it’s their choice - my eldest is very upset with everything and didn’t want to. I reassured her that was okay but equally if she changed her mind in the future that was okay too. My son followed his sister. So I told my ex that and how eldest was struggling. He said he would text her and reassure her. She told me later he’d text asking how she was and attempting some banter like they used to. There was no reassurance and he didn’t even sign off the conversation.

Am I expecting too much from him? Is it okay that he’s walked away from his family and is not having to deal with any of the devastation he’s left behind? His texts to me after asking to be friends were like those of old in tone, attempting banter etc!

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PerverseConverse · 09/08/2018 09:44

I'd be wary of any emotional or unnecessary conversations and go grey rock with him (only engage in necessary discussions and keep to facts not feelings). How old are your other children? I wouldn't be happy about him contacting them because he's fucked them over and is likely to try and use them as pawns in all this. I'm sure there'll be another woman somewhere in all this so your children are unlikely to be very happy with him.
Think very carefully about contact with your baby and seek advice from a family solicitor. Whatever you agree to now sets a precedent for what he'll get awarded should you ever go to court over contact.
It's a horrible situation and I really feel for you.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 09/08/2018 09:59

Do not get involved in banter. This is him attempting to normalise his actions and keep things 'OK' with you. Be clear and be calm but not too friendly. Communicate purely about practical matters, do not get involved in anything emotional, do not tell him how you're feeling.

Get some legal advice about how you guys move forward. Sorry you and the kids are going through this. Typical selfish jerk.

Mum1g2b · 09/08/2018 12:24

My children are 12 and 11.

Do I need to involve a solicitor regarding contact with our baby? He has agreed to no overnights for now but will take him out for a few hours. I have this in writing via text and have expressed my concerns regarding him needing to learn to care for baby first. I don’t want him to have no contact as I’m trying to separate my disgust at his actions from the fact he’s our baby’s dad. However if we’ve agreed to something now without legal advice are you saying I may be waiving my rights if he wants to change something in future?

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 09/08/2018 12:34

I don't think you would be waiving your rights by agree something now between the two of you. But I think you would benefit from a) Other posters with more legal knowledge than I and b) Could you get a free-half hour with a solicitor? A lot of them offer it.

Definitely no overnights until you're confident he can care for baby properly. I'm assuming he's not done much of the childcare so far in that case. Maybe agree to supervised access only if for more than an hour or so? Hope you are feeling a bit better.

PerverseConverse · 09/08/2018 12:36

I'd definitely be discouraging any contact with your 11 and 12 year old until things settle down.
Personally, knowing how my stbexh behaved even with a court order, I'd want contact "official" to avoid any problems. If you are concerned about him looking after the baby then of course be there when he has him/her. I'd be worried you might end up in a situation where he decides he's going to keep the baby overnight or go on holiday and you'd have no rights. I'm glad you've said no overnights. If you do overnights now and then change your mind later on it would be difficult to enforce that. Seek legal advice and see how you go. He might be perfectly reasonable and not cause you any worry about contact but reading all the contact issues on here makes me doubt that.

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