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ex partner and DC dad

21 replies

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 18:42

Hi I am looking for help and information please. My daughters dad does not like my ex partner, there are reasons for this regarding substance missuse and previous abusive behaviour towards me. All totally understandable. He has threatened to stop my access if i get back with my ex. I am back in contact with my ex, however he has never met my DC and never will. Just wondering how much power my ex has over this situation, if any.

Backstory, i have a history of mental instability (currently being treated), and have joint custody 3 nights a week. I initially agreed with DC dad re me not getting back with my ex, and him potentially stopping my access if i do, however i have changed my mind, and want to be in contact with my ex again. If my daughter is never in the same premises as this person at any time, how much rights does my dc dad have in regards to who i spend time with in my spare time (essentially who im sleeping with).

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Quartz2208 · 31/07/2018 19:04

Your DC dad on his own none but he could involve social services etc and they could if they feel he is potentially a danger to your daughter prevent you from seeing her.

However he was abusive and has substance abuse issues given your mental health history it does not sound like a good idea

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:08

Thank you Quartz. Can social services get involved even if my ex partner doesnt have any interaction/contact what so ever with my daughter? For example staying over only on a night when she is not at mine?

you are possibly right, but im finding it very hard to keep away atm.

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Quartz2208 · 31/07/2018 19:13

Oh OP the problem is your second paragraph - you are finding it hard to keep away, you could go in with the best intentions of the first paragraph being true but then slowly it isnt - that is what could be seen

The problem is how much of a risk could he be seen to be to your daughter - the fact that you are keeping him away means that you yourself think he is a risk to her

You know your daughters dad is going to be unhappy and monitoring it

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:21

Its just really hard, this person makes me happy. I dont see him as a danger per say, just think that it is unneccessary and complicated to introduce them.

Do i have to tell dc dad who im sleeping with? it feels deceptive not to, but on the other hand i know it will cause issues when maybe it neednt. i dont know what the right thing to do is. Apart from deny myself the chance to be happy.

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category12 · 31/07/2018 19:25

It sounds like you're making a really bad decision in taking back your ex. What makes you think the previous abuse and substance abuse issues won't recur?

SandyY2K · 31/07/2018 19:31

This won't end well for you. Start making sensible mature decisions and be a good role model for your DD.

Why go back to a man like him. Is he more important than your DD?

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:35

I understand the preaching to a certain extent, and i would be the first to say it to my friends. Following my own advice is harder. I just cant get over it. I have tried for months and weeks at a time, but it just doesnt budge. i think about them all the time.

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Quartz2208 · 31/07/2018 19:35

It is none of his business no who you see when your daughter is not there. But he does not sound like someone who should be around your daughter and if her Dad finds out he could raise it as an issue and go for full custody and they will look into it

Here is a more succinct legal answer - it more leaning towards both being parents but in your case it could definitely fuel your ex going for full custody

*Before or within Care Proceedings, often one parent is asked to separate, either temporarily or permanently from the partner who they love (who may or may not be the other parent of the child) as a result of risk posed by that person to the safety of a child.

The parent will be asked to prioritise the needs of the child and to separate from their partner, at least for a time, whilst the risk is assessed.

This can be heart breaking for the parent who loves both the child and their partner. However, if the parent does not agree to separate it is probable that the Social Worker will ask the Court to agree a plan to remove the child from the parent’s care, either to a safe family placement or into foster care.

Hopefully once the assessments have been completed or factual allegations determined, the parent will be able to resume the relationship either because there is no longer believed to be a risk, or the risk can be safely managed.

Sadly, this is often not the case. Often the Care Proceedings and decisions about the future turn on whether or not a parent can stay away from the risky partner. It may be necessary to obtain expert evidence on this, probably from a psychologist.

When one parent is found to be a substantial risk there are only three options:

  1. Let parent and partner look after the child together and take that risk that the child will be harmed.

  2. Let the couple live together but remove the child from their care.

3)Ask the parent to separate from the risky partner and for the child to live with the safe parent. If the risky partner is also the child’s parent, manage that parent’s contact probably by limited and supervised contact.

None of these options are ideal. The first option is unlikely to be allowed by the Court. The last option is the compromise position that is often reached as the least worst option.

It is common for people, including the Social Worker and the Lawyers as well as the Judge, to suggest that a parent should be able to end a relationship for their child. It is easy to forget that these two people may genuinely be in love and that love is real and powerful and painful. How realistic is it to ask two people who are in love to be apart for the sake of a child when neither of them really wants the relationship to end?

That’s not to say that it is wrong. Of the three options above, the third is the least damaging for the child who can stay with their parent. It is probably also the best option for the parent who would otherwise be unable to live with and care for the child. We should never under-estimate how hard it may be, perhaps the hardest thing a parent will have to do in their entire life.

This is why quite often it doesn’t work out. The adults may not be able to stay apart. The risky partner may pressurise the parent to continue the relationship, probably in secret. The child is put at risk and may be harmed. Social Services are likely to find out and the parent’s chance of keeping that child in their care if the case goes back to Court are now much much less.*

Cherubfish · 31/07/2018 19:37

Sorry OP, but I'm with your DD's Dad here. If I had a child whose other parent was in contact with someone like your ex I'd do everything in my power to get my child away.

Quartz2208 · 31/07/2018 19:37

OP I think you have a choice: him or your daughter. If your DD dad finds out and he decides to go a formal court route and full custody he could very well get it, everything in your posts says that once you do it wont be long before you are living together and he is around your daughter. Her Dad has already threatened to stop access and he may well legally be able to do so - or at least change it so that access is limited to contact centres or safe places

AngelsSins · 31/07/2018 19:38

Oh god my heart breaks reading this. I know you won’t listen, because right now, he makes you happy. But you know he’s abusive, you know he has drug issues, do you really believe, deep down, that he’s changed that much? What was he like when you first met him? I bet he made you happy then too.

You deserve better than this, you really do, and you’re denying yourself the chance to find it. You’re DCs dad can’t stop you, as others said, he could get social services involved and then it would be up to them. What happens if they say, “ok, as long as he never meets your kids, it’s fine”, then what? How long would that work for? How long before you want to move in together? How long before he gets “upset” for whatever reason with the situation? This is not going to be a happy path for you OP.

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:40

Thank you Quartz, that answer was exactly what i was looking for. Very helpful, acknowledging the reality of the situation. Its not easy to seperate from someone who you genuinely love, no matter how important your child is to you. Especially if you only see your child at weekends anyway. It just feels like loosing everything. I can walk away, but i find it hard to stay away.

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category12 · 31/07/2018 19:41

So are you walking away from your daughter, then?

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:42

Category12, No definitley not.

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Windmillinthewind · 31/07/2018 19:43

SS will stop contact if your ex can prove YOU are not able to offer a safe environment for your kids.

If you were my ex I’d be on the phone right now making sure my kids are not out in to the position YOU are putting them in to.

Go and get councilling as your clearly in an unhealthy dependant relationship to the point you could possibly lose your kids.

Starlight345 · 31/07/2018 19:51

My ex was abusive . I can guarantee this man will seep back in.

I support your dd dad.

My ex asked me to go back with him . I told him I would never risk losing my Ds for him.

magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:51

I have some on going counselling windmillinthewind. Have had on and off for years, and constant contact with GP re mental health. Battle with eating disorder, depression, bpd, self harm, suicidal ideation, alcohol addiction, panic disorder and agrophobia. Despite every day being a struggle i am a good mum. I cant express how so on here in a way that you would neccessairly believe given all that, but i know that it is true, and my dc dad would not deny that. The issue is my relationship with this person.

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magicaltoaster · 31/07/2018 19:53

Just to clarify they have never and will never meet DD.

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category12 · 31/07/2018 19:53

Have you tried the Freedom Programme?

PookieDo · 31/07/2018 20:06

Do you think this man is good for your mental wellbeing? I would suggest to you that you taking care of yourself is your priority here so that your daughter has a well mother.

Ask yourself whether you really feel that taking back an abusive man is in your own best interests - even if you hide it and ‘get away with it’ from DD’s father, will this cost you more than you can afford? Your mental well-being? The relationship with your DD? Any goodwill with DD’s rather? The risk of abuse for you is high. Even if you feel you aren’t putting your daughter at risk you are certainly putting yourself at risk, and therefore your daughter too. She might never meet him or be in the same house as him but your DD dad is also quite aware (perhaps more than you are) of the potiential damaging effects upon your daughter. It’s such a risk. And seems like too high a price just to not be lonely

PookieDo · 31/07/2018 20:08

Sometimes we should trust the judgement of others when we cannot trust our own judgement. You have not been well at all. I think that you should value yourself a lot more than going back to a man like that. You could lose so much and gain nothing

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