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How easy is it to 'start again' in your 60's? Dm considering leaving Df- very concerned.

46 replies

ABottleOfRum · 30/07/2018 15:52

Hi,

So my parents are both in their 60's. My dad nearing his 70's. They've been together their entire adult lives and have never been in a relationship with anyone else.

Growing up, I felt very safe and secure and never believed they'd divorce. They seemed happy for most of my younger years, but as I reached my late teens-20's, things seemed to change. That or I hadn't noticed any issues before then.

They have no respect for one another, are arguing constantly and to be brutally honest, just don't seem to like each other. The arguing is more niggling, but constant as I say. Although sometimes it is full on arguing. They always put each other down, more out of habit than anything I think.

My dad suffers with depression and was officially diagnosed a few years ago, but I suspect he's always suffered with his MH, which I can relate to. The problem with my df is he is so narrow minded and stuck in his ways. He won't try new things and seems to need routine. He's the kind of person who orders the same meal again and again, visits the same places, stays in the same hotel. He is of the mind of if it aint broke, don't fix it, but it drives my dm insane. Whereas she likes to stick to what she knows, she wants to try new things, explore the world a bit. They're both retired and they can do this, but if my df doesn't want to do it, then that's it. He just says "nah, what's the point?" when something new is suggested.

The more concerning aspect of this, is that when my df has had a few drinks (they both drink reguarly) he has said some unforgivable things to my dm and I mean, unforgivable.

Whereas in some ways, they're as bad as each other with the nit picking and the constant lack of respect, overall I think my df is the one who's being selfish here. He knows my mum isn't happy, but as long as she doesn't leave him, he's 'happy' to just plod along.

They were over recently and my dm got really upset (this happens quite often, but this was different) and pulled me into the bathroom in floods of tears saying that she's so unhappy and if it weren't for my dsis, me and our dc's, she would leave him.

What do I say to that? She deserves more and that's difficult for me to say. I love my df, but he doesn't appreciate her. Not really and I can't see it changing. It does for a week or two and then goes back to normal.

I really do worry about how both of them would cope with being alone at this stage in their lives. Especially my df as he literally can't do anything for himself. My dm does everything for him. She's cooks all the meals, cleans, buys his clothes, packs his suitcase, everything. He's never even bought himself a shirt. He wouldn't even know what size to get. He's that reliant on her and I just can't see how he'd cope without her.

Neither of them have any friends, apart from one couple, which sound like selfish, racist arseholes tbh. My dm doesn't even like them anymore. She's naturally a very bubbly , friendly person and used to have lots of friends, but over the years they've all fizzled out. My df will be happy about this. He has never liked her having a nice time without him. If she went out, he'd be really arsey with her and wouldn't want to hear about it when she got back. He properly sulks. It's like he punishes her for enjoying something without him. It's actually very disturbing and EA, I know.

I don't really know why I'm posting. I suppose I'm just looking for some advice. I don't know how to help or advise.

My df sees the two of them as an unbreakable team, who don't need anyone else, whereas my dm needs other people in her life, other experiences which she's almost not allowed. In a healthy relationship, she'd be talking to her friends about this, but as I said, she doesn't really have any. She only talks to me about things like this, so I feel a lot of pressure to be honest.

What should I do?

Thanks for reading. Apologies for the length.

OP posts:
paap1975 · 01/08/2018 10:38

Your parents might live another 20-30 years. Woult it be right for them to live like that all that time?
Sounds like she is looking for "permission" to leave. I would be encouraging her to get the hell out of there. Sounds horrible!

MorrisZapp · 01/08/2018 10:45

My parents have recently divorced, they're late sixties. It depends very much on their inner resources and motivation to enjoy life.

I feel myself that one parent is coping much better than the other. But the alternative is, what? Moaning and arguing until death?

My grandma was similar. Would never have dreamed of leaving her boring, grumpy husband. But when he died, she had twenty years of fun and adventures without him.

Bit grim, but maybe your mum thinks oh well, he'll be dead soon?

Cussandroid · 01/08/2018 12:54

One reason I am worried about leaving my unpleasant husband is the fear that my dd would feel obliged to look after him. He would definitely need looking after, and social services are in meltdown. Atm I choose to be a martyr so my dd doesn't have to be. No-one likes to see an old man suffer. OP you could try discussing that aspect with your mum. Who WOULD look after your df? And could you all just leave him to rot?

ABottleOfRum · 01/08/2018 17:11

life, she did have therapy fairly recently, but I'm not sure how much she spoke about my df. Finances are ok, but I know my dm wants to move closer to us, which she wouldn't be able to afford to do if they had to split the house, as it's much more expensive round here.

Morris, can I ask how you're coping with the divorce?

android, well this is obviously what my dm is thinking. She knows that he wouldn't have a clue how to look after himself and couldn't just walk away and leave him to it, but you can't separate from someone and stick around until they're more independent. He honestly wouldn't see the point in living.

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ABottleOfRum · 02/08/2018 10:01

I tried speaking to dm yesterday, but she just sounded defeated and like she's given up. I asked if she thought things could improve, but she just said "probably not" and then changed the subject. I suspect since her last emotional outburst, she's just swept her feelings back under the carpet.

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Cussandroid · 02/08/2018 13:35

I'm so sorry, OP. Rereading my last post, it sounds a bit heartless, but I am in the same boat as your mum, and I do wish for both of us that there were a solution. It must be incredibly difficult for you, and I will continue to bear the burden to avoid it passed on to my own DD. I have done my best to detach and to have a wild and riotous life independently, which dh knows little about. The more your mum can do that, the better. It's hard, though, because the misery of the situation drags you down, which in turn makes you poor company. Plus of course once you are out having fun, you really don't want to go home to the misery.

shinyredbus · 02/08/2018 14:27

This is my situation both with my parents and my inlaws. I wish my mother left my father years ago. Hes now reliant on her and without her - would die. They bicker all the time. It’s awful to hear.

Inlaws are the same - worse I would say. My fil is a narcissist, an emotional abuser, a liar. Never let my mil work so he controlled everything. Alienated her from all her friends, and no one likes him so they have no friends, only themselves for Company. Recently he had a stroke so is sort of dependent on her / she can now never leave. I feel sad for her - and im sure she is now depressed. Op - if your mother wants to leave please let her. Help her. It’s not a nice place to be in.

ABottleOfRum · 02/08/2018 14:58

android, no it's fine. I understood what you were saying.

shiny, I've said I would support her, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be incredibly concerned about my df.

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Feckers2018 · 02/08/2018 15:03

You seem to think that your dm shouldn't leave your df because he couldn't cope? Well TBH your df sounds abusive. Why shouldn't she leave and enjoy her last decades? If he doesn't know how to look after himself that's tough shit really. Or are you scared of being burdened with him?

I would encourage dm to do what is best for her. And don't let her use the excuse of you and the kids to stay.
I'm in my 60s and have a full on life and career etc. They are not in their 80s. Grow up.

Feckers2018 · 02/08/2018 15:05

Your dm needs to detach from him and stop doing everything he sounds like an entitled pain in the arse. Just because he is your parent and soooooooooooo old doesn't make his behaviour ok.

ABottleOfRum · 02/08/2018 15:20

Feckers, erm...no. I haven't said she should stay with him. Why do you think I need to "grow up?" What is it exactly about my concerns that you find so immature? Is it because you feel personally offended because you're a woman in her 60's full of life and are successful? Not everyone is the same.

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Cussandroid · 02/08/2018 15:59

I wondered about the "Grow up" comment. Sometimes people say that to me when they mean "stop being so compassionate". Not everybody feels empathy.

Butterymuffin · 02/08/2018 16:48

I don't think 'grow up' is helpful or empathetic. Nevertheless, I wonder if there is a point in what Feckers said, even if it was harshly put. You do seem to regard it as a given that your dad cannot be expected to look after himself, even though plenty of people in their 60s do this, learn the necessary skills - even those with depression. You also seem to be unconsciously thinking that it would be unthinkable for your mum to walk away and leave him to it - hence your comment about how if people are separated they can't 'stick around till they're more independent'. All that adds up to, without you saying it in those exact words, the assumption that there is no alternative to your mum continuing to look after your dad and therefore she can't leave. Can you be sure that she isn't picking that vibe up from you, and that might be at least a factor in how defeated she sounds?

Butterymuffin · 02/08/2018 16:53

Something you should consider - and apologies for putting it like this - is what would happen if your mum dropped down dead or was taken into hospital tomorrow. What would you expect to be done for your dad in that situation? And is there a reason why that couldn't also be the solution if your mum left?

You might think it wouldn't happen that way, but I know someone very well who had elderly parents where the mum was much more capable/healthy and looked after the dad. Everyone expected him to go first. Except that then the mum died, and total chaos resulted as then the family had an elderly man who couldn't look after himself unexpectedly needing care, which no one had really thought of.

ABottleOfRum · 02/08/2018 17:43

muffin, yes, I understand what you're saying, but I wasn't saying at any point that my mum doesn't have a choice, I was saying that she feels as though she doesn't and that I do understand. It doesn't mean I think it's right.

Maybe I was looking for someone success stories.. I don't know. I wouldn't want them to split, I would want my dad to stop being an arsehole and for them both to start respecting each other, but if that can't happen and they could be happy apart, then of course I would want that.

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ABottleOfRum · 02/08/2018 17:44

Oh and also, I have thought of that scenario and I think my df would cope better in that situation, than her leaving him.

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buckingfrolicks · 02/08/2018 22:01

Have you told your DF what you see going on in their relationship?

Perhaps talk to him, frankly and fully?

ChiaraRimini · 03/08/2018 18:09

Plenty of people (my DM and DFIL) are widowed in their 60s and have no choice but to start over. Your mum may find a new lease of life on her own. Your dad will probably find another -mug- lady to look after him

BonnieF · 03/08/2018 19:33

OP,

In your posts, the view coming across quite strongly is that you don’t approve of the idea of your DM leaving DF because you are very concerned that he would be unable to cope on his own.

Have you considered that this might be coming across just as strongly in your conversations with her?

MaybeDoctor · 03/08/2018 20:13

If he behaves so horribly, why should he get the benefit, nay, the privilege of your mum caring for him?

I imagine that she will blossom once she is away from him.

MaybeDoctor · 03/08/2018 20:14

Isn’t that worth seeing?

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