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Husband won't make plans / we never do anything

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TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 16:04

There are other problems in the marriage and I'm thinking we have reached the end of the line. Just want to make sense of this one aspect of my husband. Is this just basic incompatibility? How common is it for someone to be like this? So as not to dripfeed, the other main problems are his past and present record of financial unreliability (self employed and struggling but does not want to get a job and whenever he has had a job in the past it never lasted) and a lack of sex.

So here it is. We never plan anything. I don't expect a detailed five year plan but have realised I have no idea what he wants from life. He bumbles along. We bumble along. When I think of the future with him I can't picture a single thing.

His catchphrase is "relax" or "no rush" or "let's wait and see". Conversations to try to include him in plans or collaborate on plans are infuriating for me. There is a willingness to agree to things in principle. But a reluctance to move forward.

If we ever do anything or go anywhere it's because I organise and book it. In which case he often enjoys it but never acknowledges that I put the effort in to get us there or that it was a good idea. He is low level negative as a person so I always feel that whatever the outing is was not quite worth the bother/cost. He will not ever SAY that he really enjoyed anything which does make me feel it's a bit pointless. When asked he will say he enjoyed it and thank me in a cursory but civil way. He is equally happy to do nothing and has no problem with me doing things with my friends instead. But he likes spending time with me and he would like me to keep him company. I suppose I feel we "should" do these things together sometimes. If he sees that I'm really bored and climbing the walls (I am more sociable and he is a homebody) he might suggest going somewhere at the last minute, but never before.
That's the day to day.

But even long term, it's maddening. We rent and he says it's not forever... But can never ever give me a ballpark figure of how long. He is vague when pressed.

Clearly he is just not a "planner" - I am a "planner" by nature but am trying to go with the flow. When I do this nothing happens. I try this a lot but it ends up feeling like I have no say in my own life and I don't feel like me.

His business isn't going well but there's no plan B and again, no concrete assurances or timescales. Nothing he can be held to.

He was vague about getting engaged and married but I will be honest and say I pushed for this. I wanted these things with him and he didn't want to lose me. Similarly for children. I hardly knew if he really wanted them or not. He couldn't be pinned down - one conversation might have me asking him and him saying yes, another one he seemed not sure. In any case there was no definite, no plan. We've ended up with two children and I feel I pushed him into that too. I know he's glad we did have children but he can't even bring himself to say that really. It feels like he can't be enthusiastic about anything that I'm involved in. I really don't think he's depressed, it's just him. He drags his feet. I feel that I push and nag or get frustrated.

I don't know - it's a mix of lazy, non-communicative, non-committal, curmudgeon, introvert, procrastinater...... But (in case it doesn't already sound like I don't like him enough!) I can't shake off the feeling that there is something more. Something cruel about it. I can't look forward to anything. I feel he would prefer to just string me along and doesn't like to see me excited or buzzing about anything. I think he feels trapped by the thought of that.

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soundslikeballons · 21/07/2018 17:32

Are you married to my husband? I hear you it's very very frustrating living with someone that is very laid back and doesn't make plans, I'm 20 years in and I've kind of given up worrying about it.

I've turned it into as much as a positive for me right now, marriage isn't great generally and if I'm honest I should leave. But I'm staying right now.

I don't know about you but is he also unable to have different levels of emotion? Does he exist on one level? I discovered this about my husband, there isn't excited, annoyed, angry, sad, happy there is just this one ongoing level of OK. He also doesn't live in the moment, he's always a bit vacant, others notice this as well.

I have just come to the conclusion that some people are just built like this and are in fact happy just to let life bumble along. It generally takes a death in the family or a sudden health scare to make them realise that life is for living to the full.

I don't have a solution for you as I'm living your life, apart from the fact I have so much freedom, he has no issues with me going away with friends, going on weekends away, being busy with work and gym and life.. he's just OK with everything I suggest. So I do all of the above and live my life to the full while he just potters in the background as an accessory to my busy life. (For now!)

It's a boring and frustrating part of my life, but I have the choice at the moment to put up or go and be on my own. Equally having lived with this type of man, the alternative man with a spark and a high emotional level is a huge appeal, but then I think I'd have one hell of a shock when they tried to tell me I couldn't do something... or if they got angry, sad or stupidly excited.

TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 18:35

Balloons, I'm relieved to think I'm not the only one. Can't be the same man. He definitely doesn't have the makings if a bigamist! Not organised enough for starters!

I'm glad you have made your peace with it. For me, it is now affecting the children and their future - what school should they go to etc. No positive engagement from my husband on that score.

The money problems due to his failing business make it harder for me to get on and have fun without him.

There ARE positives and if we didn't have other significant problems I think, like you, I could make the most of things. As you say, freedom to do what you want, and in my husband's case, no mood swings, he is always just even tempered. He never raises his voice. His demeanour physically / the way he moves is gentle and measured. He's in good form from the minute he wakes up (unlike me). I have only ever really seen him upset/sad once in 13 years.

He is totally uncommunicative re his emotions. A recent low point was when he was writing a Mother's Day card from our children to me, in my presence, (He was prompted to buy one by my brother : he doesn't do cards or presents really except for a last minute thing at best) and he asked ME what he should write.....

I'm too sensitive to not get exasperated/offended/saddened by these things. He does love me but it really feels like brother-sister love (or mother-son!?!) and I want more (though as you say, being alone is more likely).

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AfterSchoolWorry · 21/07/2018 18:42

Could he be mildly autistic?

I know someone exactly like this and they are.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 21/07/2018 18:59

But... but you KNEW what he was like when you got married. Not blaming you but why did you expect him to change?

TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 19:27

AfterSchool, that is food for thought. I never thought so but recently I have wondered. I feel there is something off. I have wondered in the past if he was sexually abused. He seems..... repressed in some way. He would never open up about things though. I've tried many times to ask him about aspects of his childhood that must have been painful (father seemingly never in the picture, mother hospitalised for what sounds like mental health issues/a breakdown: she is fine now) and it's like hitting a brick wall. He just won't go there.

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TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 19:29

Good question, Unexpected. I have asked myself the same. I can only conclude blind optimism/love/ wanted him at any cost/ thought I could live with it.

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SpiritedLondon · 21/07/2018 20:23

Just out of curiosity what would he do if you suggested something quite wild - like opening up your marriage to other people. Would he be upset about someone else being with you or would he be meh? Not that I’m suggesting that you do that but I wonder how he would feel if he felt someone else was interested in you.... would he step up his game or be unconcerned. I’m wondering if a sense of intending peril and a frank conversation might do him the world of good.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 21/07/2018 20:38

Life is too short. Do what you need to do to be happy. Good luck x

user12678356 · 21/07/2018 21:10

@SpiritedLondon

Bad bad idea!

TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 21:14

Thanks, Spirited. I actually did suggest this in the past.....I think I was aiming to shock him and make him think. He was bewildered and disgusted. Sex is an issue, as I say. Lack of. Lack of discussion. Unwillingness to address. Distaste at the thought that I might have sexual needs.
Again, I feel like the pusher. It's another taboo topic.

Thanks, Unexpected. That's what it boils down to. Calling it a day. I don't hate him, I still care for him actually. But the strain of being married to him is getting worse and worse.

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Baumederose · 21/07/2018 22:10

Try reading the peter pan syndrome by Dan kiley

It's from the 80s but it might shed alot of light for you.

I had one a bit similar. In the end I left. Because it was who he was and without counselling it wasn't going to change. The sexual repression was odd and I didn't understand. The book above was very interesting. He wouldn't initiate anything and I felt unattractive in the end. It's mummy issues probably. I found the book as a free pdf online and it's probably still there. Some of it may not apply but it's the overall picture. I found it helped me end it when I knew what I was dealing with. And how little prospect there was of change.

Baumederose · 21/07/2018 22:12

Ps he also had the issues with keeping job and general passivity and dysfunction. It's soul destroying and tedious.

I am so relieved not to have to deal with it anymore.

TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 21/07/2018 22:53

Thanks so much, Baume. I'll check that out.

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soundslikeballons · 22/07/2018 09:47

Oh bless you it really does sound very similar.. to the poster who suggested getting others involved, without going into too much detail I did just that.

Literally in our home, in our space, with a very good friend all part of a couple etc.. a friendship grew and grew and he did nothing at all to stop it.

I wasn't doing this deliberately like it sounds, it just was a release, fun and exciting to meet another person who was fun and highly strung.

Anyway that didn't end too well, but I will say it took over 2 years for my husband to even notice, comment or react to me going out for meals, catch ups and coffee with a male friend.

I do need to add it wasn't my finest moment, and I'm not proud of this. But I fear that when you live in a kind of dull state you will gravitate towards more exciting people.

His lack of reactions kind of gave me permission to just carry on flirting.

I don't know the answer but I'll be looking for that pdf to read as well!!

Purplehaze25 · 07/05/2023 01:44

@TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey wow could
have written this myself. Was there a positive outcome here? What did you do?

TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey · 08/05/2023 19:12

Hi and thanks for the question - was a walk down memory lane re-reading my original post.
I called time on the marriage shortly after I wrote this. We divorced. I never regretted it for a second.
Not to say it was all easy or that it is all easy. I have not met anyone else and don’t intend to.
I can make all the plans I want now!

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PussInBin20 · 08/05/2023 19:36

It sounds like you made the right decision. How did he respond - was he surprised?

Purplehaze25 · 09/05/2023 01:42

@TheWayAlfLooksAtAudrey thanks for responding I wasn’t expecting one after all this time! Glad to hear that things worked out well, you sound like someone who is very sure of what they want and need from life which is admirable.

I fear that it is a worrying sign for the future of my relationship though. Although I’m 6 months postpartum so can’t work out if it’s just hormonal/readjusting. I just feel like for anything to happen in our relationship requires me to organise/plan/action. So even things like planning a holiday or a nice day out becomes a chore, the fun is sucked out of it, even though he enjoys it when we eventually go. The only time he would plan would be because of an argument over it which kind of defeats the object. I really have to push any conversation about the future. Our sex life has been an issue for quite some time that’s always whirring in the background but requires him to take an action which just keeps getting put off until the next argument. Plus He’s constantly unsatisfied with his job and I feel like he blames me for having to be ‘safe’ in his decision making so we can keep on top of bills ect but in reality I feel like it’s because he doesn’t have the drive to make anything happen.

i really hope there is a positive outcome for us though because when things are good they are really great and I really enjoy his company and we make each other laugh, plus he is a really
great dad but it feels like a bit of a haze to weigh it up at the moment.

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