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When you love your friend and LOATHE their OH

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WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 13:10

Can someone with experience of this talk to me. Have known the couple for a very long time, almost two decades.

Originally they were both separate friends of mine who I introduced

He was a great friend a really nice guy and we were really close. I was happy to set him up. For 5 years all was well. I maintained separate friendships with both and also saw them together.

And then we all started growing up and having adult lives and being busy and then they got married, and everything changed.

The most time I've spent alone with her since then and it's been YEARS is about 15 minutes.

He simply will not allow me to have contact with her without him and continuously pulls the "we were friends first" card. Whereas me and him have gone out without her.

Every attempt I have made to see her separately from him has been rebuffed or cancelled

What has come through LOUDLY is that she would but "DH would be upset" or "DH feels left out" or "why don't you go with DH instead of me, he doesn't have many friends"

Additionally years ago, I found out he was out a particular night in the week regularly so I rang then. She asked me not to do it again as it would upset him.

Another friend had a Hen and she didn't come she said it was the money but I suspected it was the being alone with me

Once when he was out of earshot she just looked at me wearily and said "it's not worth the aggro"

He's very controlling and I worry about unseen emotional abuse. I think he doesn't want me to be alone with her because she'd tell me what he's really like and I'd tell her to leave, I don't think she would actually leave due to cultural reasons but there are just huge red flags but no proof I can't even text her and ask as he has form for reading texts

This happened YEARS ago but is illustrative of the issue. I went to visit them and when I arrived he was hostile and rude and I mouthed WTF? At my friend. He'd been in major shit at work and had been reprimanded. She told me how unfair this was. He went upstairs and she hastily told me it WAS all his fault but he wouldn't accept it and she had to play along.

Additionally he's judgy and condescending in conversation and will, if you don't let him "win" mutter under his breath to give himself the last word. If he has got something wrong, but you're right, he will persistently correct you with the wrong thing.

I surprised myself one day when his name came up with someone from Back In The Day

I said without even thinking "He doesn't respect the opinions of women"

She stopped short and looked at me as though a light had come on and said "you're right"

It sounds worse than our actual encounters are written down but he's turned from a really good friend I loved to a petty, pedantic, controlling, whinging, professional victim little dictator that I have to suffer if I want to see my friend.

Sorry this is long and I may get it moved to 30 days but has anyone experienced this in RL and how did you cope?

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eightfacesofthemoon · 13/07/2018 16:15

Sadly. She had to work this out on her own. Be there for her. But there is little you can do.
Can you go for a coffee with her and raise your concerns and say that you cannot deal with his controlling behaviour but you’ll always be there if she needs you.
Problem is, in these situations, is that you can see clearly what she can’t see. And she will (superficially) chose him. But don’t take it personally. When it all implodes she will need you.

WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 16:24

Thanks for replying eight

No, I can’t meet her for coffee. If I suggested it they’d come together or he’d come “instead” We only meet on weekends these days due to work and DC and he is ALWAYS ALWAYS THERE even one of the last times we met up, she quickly whispered a jokey remark about her MIL and he was a little further up the path and was nearly breaking his neck trying to see what we were saying and why I’d laughed.

Nowadays the DC are a massive buffer as even when he nips to the toilet we can’t have an open conversation in the short gap like we used to.

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5LeafClover · 13/07/2018 16:44

Something very odd here. Is there any one else who can help.? Or what about a weekend away as a group. More opportunities....

WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 16:52

I’ve spoken to other friends about it and they have agreed I’m right to be concerned but they no longer have the same level of contact due to distance, in fact thinking about it the DH keeps all the old friends at a bit of arms length and I’m the exception

He doesn’t seem to mind if she goes out locallywith NCT or hobby people (I live about 40 mins away) but then, they don’t know him, it’s specifically me he seems to feel the need to “supervise” or “obstruct”

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Whipsmart · 13/07/2018 16:59

This might sound a bit bonkers and stalkery, but if you know anything about her routine could you "bump into" her? Easier said than done given that you're 40 minutes away but if she's "allowed" to meet her NCT group maybe you could just happen to be running an errand nearby? Or as pp have said a group weekend away might work as you'd st least have slightly more opportunities to chat.

magoria · 13/07/2018 17:04

I would give her one quick call, say you are always there and not to hesitate to contact you, then cut contact with them as a couple.

WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 17:08

I’ve just remembered there was a weekend away with a group and they didn’t get invited as the host felt that she couldn’t invite them without inviting another couple “and combined they’d change the whole mood”

So other people definitely are getting the vibe

No, bumping in she does a lot of home visits as part of work and so is all over the place if I turned up on weekend unannounced it would look quite odd I think, it’s like I’ve been boxed in and I can’t move outside the box

I’d love it to fortuitously happen though

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Singlenotsingle · 13/07/2018 17:12

You're spending an awful lot of time and trouble, worry and stress over this. He's obviously changed out of all recognition from the man you used to know, and she doesn't seem to have problems normally. It's just you he has an issue with. I'd let her know you're available for her if she needs you, but leave it there and get on with your life.

HollowTalk · 13/07/2018 17:14

Is there something you know about his past that he's worrying about you sharing?

That's the only thing I can think of. Otherwise he sounds really, really awful. I'd be tempted to email her at work and ask whether you could speak to her privately.

CaramelWafers · 13/07/2018 17:16

I have a friend who I had similar concerns about. Had also known she and her DP seperately.
I ended up making up something about me. Pretended I had some horrifyingly embarrassing "women's issue" that I wanted to talk to her, and only her, about. I went as far as making up hospital appointments so I could text her things like "saw the gynaecologist today, news not the best, any chance we could meet up?" I knew he was reading her messages but wouldn't try and force me to talk about the "embarrassing problem" with him. In the end she did come over for dinner at my house by herself and I was totally honest with her, told her concerned I was about it all. She thanked me and we kept up the ruse until she had the strength to leave him. He had put tracking software on her phone so she'd sometimes come to "hospital appointments" with me I.e. we'd go to the local hospital and I'd sit with her phone in the cafe while she went to the solicitors/bank to get things sorted to finally leave him.
This is an extreme example but I'm so glad I did it. She's so much happier these days and I haven't seen him in a few years.

ILoveHumanity · 13/07/2018 17:19

Can you create a fake account and let her pretend to be an old Friend from school? Chat on FB? Fake pics ? Lol

myusernamewastakenbyme · 13/07/2018 17:31

Oh god how awful....any chance you could keep trying to see her when he is out...do you know his routine at all?

FFSJake · 13/07/2018 17:35

Caramel what a good friend you are.

Is there any chance OP you could do something similar?

StormTreader · 13/07/2018 17:49

Sounds like its time to try and forget who he used to be and try and work out how to help her deal with who he IS - a massively controlling and abusive husband.

LemonScentedStickyBat · 13/07/2018 17:50

I’ve no useful advice, sorry but caramel that is genius. So glad it worked for your friend.

WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 18:30

You're spending an awful lot of time and trouble, worry and stress over this.

I’m really not though Confused

Ive only posted today as it has come back into mind as there has been a recent incident

Caramel

Really glad someone with experience of this had posted - I was starting to go down that same route dropping hints and stuff, when there were pressures and things I needed to focus on in my own life and didn’t see them for a while, but it’s a good shout and I certainly will give it another go.

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WildUnknown · 13/07/2018 18:33

Hollow

I went so far as to look up her work email once but bottled it, again worth thinking about

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Nuttyella7 · 13/07/2018 23:06

This sounds quite freaky actually. That if you set up a meeting they would come together which is ok to an extent, but 'or he will come alone'

WildUnknown · 14/07/2018 01:08

That's exactly it Nutty

She kowtows to him for an easier life

As for him appearing in her place there are times when I feel that he does this deliberately not because he wants to see me but to let me know he can and that he is the gatekeeper I have to get past if I still want to see her and the DC

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WildUnknown · 14/07/2018 01:12

Actually it's not to let me know he can it's to let me know I can't

"Want a day out with my wife do you?"

Well. You. Can't. Here I am instead

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