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Going with your gut (long post)

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namechange1357 · 08/07/2018 17:55

Hi Mumsnetters

I'm new on here but my friend swears by it, so thought I would voice my situation , I'm really just after some advice as I feel I am living every day with a sinking gut feeling that I just cannot shake.

I've been with my OH for 15 years, we met when we were very young and I was drawn to his "bad boy" ways  For a month or two we were very much "in love" although we partied heavily so I'm not sure how much of that was the real thing .. Our relationship turned pretty sour pretty fast and he became very emotionally abusive, he was very jealous and constantly called me stupid and a slut. I was totally faithful to him and a total puppy dog and used to apologise for everything to stop him being angry. Six months into the relationship I fell pregnant and he told me to "sort it out"- (I didn't, I kept the baby who is now nearly 14) I also lost my dad during that time which really messed me up.

We broke up numerous times, always getting back together no matter how awful things had become. He didn't care if he lied to me, he still doesn't to this day so I find it hard to trust him, he has never been able to talk about things, he would ignore me and go to sleep if I tried to talk about our relationship which would upset me even more. The lack of love back then was shocking to be honest, I haven't been an angel, we have both cheated on each other in the early years and both drank to excess. I was in a very bad place during my twenties and it is painful looking back at how sad and weak I was.

I have lost a lot of friends over the years who have told me to stay away from him and have hated him, but for some reason something makes me go back (pathetic I know). Another baby came along in 2012 and at this point he did start to change his ways a bit, and we agreed to draw a line and "forget" some of the horrors of our past and make a go of things. Two years later, out of nowhere he suddenly came into a lot of money, we were like rabbits in the headlights having never had much to spare. We I decided to get married, something I'd always wanted to do someday but he had never been fussed about. So we got married, bought a house, had another baby and now the dust has settled, we have been on what seems like a yearly cycle of high to low, yo-yo'ing from "happy families" to me feeling like I am totally trapped and wanting to get in my car and drive away. I keep envisaging another life, me with the children in our own little home somewhere.

Although he has been successful financially, which has in no doubt gone to his head hugely, he has landed us in some heavy debt which he lied to me about and I have even had suicidal thoughts at times but I'm not sure whether that's his fault or not. I just feel lost, we don't have an intimate relationship anymore, I don't look at him and want to have sex and I think the same goes for him, I sleep in my bed with my cat whilst he opts for downstairs.
We have just put our house up for sale, and I feel like I have this internal alarm telling me to leave, start afresh with my children. There's so much more to it but appreciate this is long enough already, hard to stop typing when I have started! I should say he has changed over the years and I do love him and his quirky ways at times and the arguments are nothing like they were, we don't argue much at all nowadays, sometimes we get on pretty well in a humour sort of way, sometimes there is just a tense undercurrent or he is busy at work and I'm studying my degree. Most of the time he seems laidback and relatively happy, although he prefers to be alone and enjoys his own company/his phone ...
He agreed to see a therapist last year when I was adamant we had broken up for good (lasted 6 weeks) I took him back because I was stunned he would take up therapy and thought perhaps this was the moment he would get in touch with his emotions ... his therapy sessions seem to be going well although he has missed out large chunks which he feels are unnecessary to discuss (would damage his pride). Therapist convinced he has Aspergers due to his lack of empathy 🤷🏼‍♀️ So I guess what I'm asking is, can we really move on from such a volatile past? I'm 32 and am scared of feeling like this at 42,52... etc. I think I have always wanted the "dream" family life, marriage, house ,babies. Why have I always gone back after the break up? Although nothing particularly drastic has happened lately I cannot shake this sinking feeling, and am battling with myself being a snappy grumpy cow on a daily
basis. Are these feelings indicating the end of a relationship or just the usual ups and downs of married life? I'm so worried about upsetting my 3 children, they are my life and I have pretty much bought them up single handedly anyway. What a mess, what to do .... 😕

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bluelightred · 08/07/2018 18:01

Take this chance and leave. Biggest regret of my life is not taking my chance to go. Just go.

SpeckledDot · 08/07/2018 18:25

'. I was totally faithful to him and a total puppy dog...'

And

'
, I haven't been an angel, we have both cheated on each other in the early years'

... huh?

namechange1357 · 08/07/2018 21:14

Yeah, sorry that didn't make sense, what I meant was for the first couple of years I was a fully fledged doormat until the whole thing went to pot and we broke up for the first (of many) times. That's when we lost total respect for one another.

Thanks for your replies, I guess it's obvious what I should do really, I'm very confused, think I just felt I needed to download Hmm

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Summersnake · 08/07/2018 21:24

People can change if they really want to...im a huge believer in keeping the family together,if at all possible.my parents had a bitter divorce so it coloured the way I brought my kids up...for any relationship to work,both parties have to want it too..you could suggest relate ,as they would help you both work through your issues and decide if you both want to be together,or if you want to work towards separation...goid luck with whatever you decide x

Gruffalina72 · 08/07/2018 21:44

No. Abusive people do not change.

You're only 32! My goodness. Imagine the life you could lead. Listen to your gut. I think your vision of what you could do next sounds lovely.

I very strongly recommend you consider attending the Freedom Programme. It will answer your questions about why you kept going back to him, why you're so confused, and more besides. I understand this situation has become familiar to you (and suspect the reason you have fewer arguments is because you've given up on trying to be your own person, and do what he wants) but it's not healthy and sounds like it has continued to be abusive.

Healthy relationships do not result in you losing all your friends. It sounds like they saw he was abusive too. The Freedom Programme will show you the difference, how it's affected you, and how different your life could be.

Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk - it's information not therapy. It's 12 weeks (2hrs pw) in a group (there is an online version, but the group offers support and the chance to ask questions and benefit from other people's experiences - and compassion). You don't have to share anything if you don't want to, you can just listen. They won't tell you you have to leave, but they'll signpost you to support in doing so if you ask for it. They just want to share with you all the information they have to give you so that you can make your own decision.

My life felt like a confusing, incomprehensible mess before I went on Freedom. Even when I turned up for the first week I didn't understand why I'd been referred there. I was so sure it wasn't for me. Then they did an overview of what we'd be learning about and it was like somebody had written a course about my life. Which was an unpleasant feeling, but I stuck it out, because I needed answers no matter how uncomfortable. And my life has been changed for the better in so many ways. Please give it a chance and see it through if you go.

32 is so young. You could have an amazing life. But I don't see how if you continue like this, I really don't. He will drag you down and break you. Your gut is making the suggestion it is for a reason. Please listen to it and get some external support on board to help you with it.

Gruffalina72 · 08/07/2018 21:48

"keeping a family together" where one parent is abusing the other is a frankly horrific suggestion. Why would you recommend bringing children up to believe it's acceptable for men to abuse women, and with no clue of what a healthy relationship looks like? So they can go off into the world and end up being abused by their partner because they think it's all they deserve and the best they can hope for?

Never mind the fact that an abusive parent will always end up directly harming the children sooner or later. They need to control everyone in the household. Children are no exception. Children should not grow up in an abusive home. It damages their future before they even get a chance to explore it.

What a horrifying, repulsive thing to suggest to someone.

Wallywobbles · 08/07/2018 21:52

Wtf summer. If you are who I think you've been told before not to advise people in abusive relationships to stay.

Wallywobbles · 08/07/2018 21:59

Apologies if I've got that wrong summer.

letsdolunch321 · 08/07/2018 22:14

Adults with controlling behaviours NEVER change. The behaviours will always be in the background.

I feel you need to have a change of life - enjoy the non arguing life with your dc’s. Enjoy finding yourself & do what you want to do.

namechange1357 · 08/07/2018 23:58

Thank you for your replies and for the freedom programme info, I'll have a look at it tomorrow. And thank you for saying 32 is young, I don't feel it at the moment at all, I feel stressed and frazzled!

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