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Talk sense to me. This is not ok, is it? How bad is it?

68 replies

Jonsey79 · 07/07/2018 14:15

I almost wish I had a referee overseoverseeing my relationship because once again dh and I have had a blazing row and now he's acting like nothing happened.

This sort of thing happens often but today was especially bad. I'm doubting myself now though. Please tell me, do I sound as unreasonable as he tells me I am? I'm starting to wonder if it's me.

I went into the garage to put a wash on (I do all the laundry and most of the housework). I couldn't get to the washing machine though because he'd dumped the spare car seat in front of it. It's normally in his car but is out at the moment and had been in front of his work bench which no one is allowed to put anything on or obstruct. It's the 4th time this week he's blocked the washing machine by piling stuff against the door because it's been left in the way of his workbench (which he never uses).

After moving it I went inside and said could he please not block the washing machine. I use it daily and it's really annoying. I was visibly irritated but not shouting and I was speaking politely and normally. He shouted. He said I was rude and aggressive and shouldn't have dumped the seat in front of his work bench. I said that the seat belonged in his car anyway and he said that I had no right to say what he should keep in his car, how dare I, etc. I walked away. He texted me some more insults (I was rude, aggressive and unbearable).

Half an hour later our 4yo fell over and cut her knee. She was very upset. As I was sorting her out our 2yo tried to cuddle her but she kicked hee leg out and he wobbled and fell. He wasn't hurt but crying from the shock. Dh was in the next room working out. Both dc sobbing on me at this point, one with a cut knee in need of a plaster. I called out that I needed some help. He didn't come (he was 6m away and could see us).

When the dc were calm and sorted I popped my head around the door and said "thanks for your help there". Yes i was a bit sarcastic. He went mental.

He shouted that he'd called out to ask if I needed help but I didn't answer (couldn't hear him I suppose over 2 crying dc on my lap). He said I'm unbearable, a sanctimonious , he threw a weight on the floor, he went on and on. I didn't reply. The dc were right there. All I kept saying as calmly as I could was "not in front of them, please, not in front of them". He didn't stop. I went to lead them both away just as he stormed out of the room. 4 yo tried to ask him a question and he slammed the door in her face. She burst into tears and ran to me for cuddles.

After a few mins I went in (kids busily occupied in a different room) and calmly told him that we weren't working, we were unhappy and I wanted a divorce. He didn't respond to that part - just began ranting again about how he does everything I want and I'm never happy, I'm unbearable, I'm impossible, etc. I walked away again.

Later on I was having lunch with the dc and he came in. He acted totally normally to them, chatting away as if nothing had happened. He blanked me.

After lunch our 2yo was unsettled. Dh decided he wanted to play outside but I knew he needed a nap. I said "come on, it's nap time" as dh put his shoes on. Dh said to himself "he's going in the garden you stupid fucking idiot" as he put shoes on dc.

I picked up dc and took him off for his nap. I'm in his room with him now and he's fast asleep.

I've already been to see a solicitor. I know what I need to do. But please tell me honestly whether I'm in any way overreacting. I am so upset and angry.

He's behaved like this towards me many times, but not in front of the children.

OP posts:
Juells · 07/07/2018 15:12

@charlestonchaplin

His behaviour is bad but you are not blameless. You are clearly being antagonistic at times and then you appear surprised to get a reaction.

How ridiculous. He's being a bully, and doing things deliberately to ramp up the aggression in the house. Do you think other posters haven't been on the receiving end of the same shit?

OP, I wouldn't bother telling him anything in writing. It will probably be torn up in front of you, anyway, just another excuse to browbeat you. Go ahead with the divorce. It sounds like it will be a relief for you to be on your own and not have to put up with the bullshit shouting.

guggenheim · 07/07/2018 15:16

He’s rewriting everything you say, so if you said “i’m buying milk” he’d turn that round into - ‘ you buy things we don’t need and spend all our money’ or some such total shit. I can’t remember what it’s called apart from being a liar.
Yeah, he’s awful & he won’t change. Sorry.

Gruffalina72 · 07/07/2018 15:17

Ignore the abuse apologists who've popped up to try and blame you for his abusive behaviour. Not how it works. He's engineered a situation where you can never be in the right and will always be blamed for his behaviour.

He gets "angry" with you because you've challenged his supreme authority over you in some way, and is trying to reestablish power. It has nothing to do with whether whatever you have done is actually reasonable in the real world, or not.

I second checking out the Freedom Programme. It will help you to see just how out of line and abnormal his behaviour is.

People who pop up with "both as bad as each other" in response to abusive situations are vile, and the reason men get away with abuse.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 07/07/2018 15:21

I’ve been in abusive relationship and this is one. Being sarky will make things worse. You need to leave.

Coyoacan · 07/07/2018 15:21

Oh definitely, OP, the time is up on this relationship. I knew that the time to split from an ex of mine had come when we started arguing in front of friends.

Arguing repeatedly in front of the children is horrible for the children as you obviously know.

He's also a sexist bastard, why are you the only one who uses the washing machine?

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 07/07/2018 15:23

I’ve phrased my first post badly, I’m not saying you shouldn’t try and stand up for yourself or minimising what you are dealing with what I’m trying to say (badly, sorry) is that he’s a dick and you need to end your marriage as it sounds toxic.

petrolpump28 · 07/07/2018 15:24

2 little children can make eve the sanest of people behave badly.

madcatladyforever · 07/07/2018 15:26

You need to get rid of him, he sounds like an absolute dickhead.
The more I look at mumsnet the more reluctant I am ever to have another relationship.
What the hell is wrong with these people"!!!

RainySeptember · 07/07/2018 15:27

I'm usually very measured on here, but even I can see that LTB is the best and only option.

I don't care about the car seat. He blocks the washing machine, you block his work bench.

But the way he spoke to you, particularly in front of your dc, is outrageous. As is slamming the door in your dc's face, and ignoring two crying children.

With hindsight, I think asking for a divorce in the midst of all of that was always going to end badly. But when you're both calmer yes, you must have that proper conversation.

bringbacksideburns · 07/07/2018 15:28

Talk to him in front of your parents. Tell him you want to separate and have looked into a divorce and you want to sort out what happens next sensibly and calmly without him yelling insults at you. Tell him you are very unhappy and your decision is final.
Give your parents the heads up before they cone. You will need their suppirt and he may sit calmly and listen whilst they are there.

You need legal advice and the house but one of you has to go. If he won't is there somewhere you can stay?

eightfacesofthemoon · 07/07/2018 15:38

He just sounds like an old fashioned cunt. Who probably doesn’t much like having children. I’m sure he will be a Disney dad when it comes to eow.
Right now you’d simply be better off without him.
Once anyone has lost respect in a relationship it’s a done deal really.

poopsqueak · 07/07/2018 15:38

The incidents you describe are recent and while he sounds like a complete dick, you both sound at the end of your tether.

I don't think it sounds like abuse, i think it sounds like major major stress erupting in a very poor way. You are getting tetchy and he is getting angry.

The car seat in front of washer vs car seat in front of workbench and the nap vs playtime sounds like you both are trying to 'win' and that isn't helpful to your children.

That's not me excusing his behaviour by the way. But i also feel you sound a bit antagonistic. You can't criticise him for playing with the kids nicely.

I think you just need to accept what's happening and put a cool head on and see the solicitors and try to be as logical and coolheaded as possible.

Good luck.

poopsqueak · 07/07/2018 15:40

Sorry my first sentence was supposed to say 'the incidents are recent, what has he been like before?'

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 07/07/2018 15:42

Well it’s easy to be a Disney parent (when he’s not shouting in front of them and slamming doors in their faces Hmm ) when your partner is the one doing everything else...

AcrossthePond55 · 07/07/2018 15:50

I'd quietly tell your parents in private when they're there. Explain that you've given it your best try and it's just no good and tell them to keep your confidence. If there are any documents or valuables you want to safeguard send them home with them. I'd also ask them if they can be available at short notice for when you decide to tell him. It will be easier to have that conversation if the children are out of the house.

RafikiIsTheBest · 07/07/2018 15:53

He is totally overreacting and there is never a reason to talk to someone like that, never mind in front of a child. But you also not blame free, yes you're not rising to it like he is, and you're not ignoring it all afterwards, but sarcastic comments and constantly walking off are going to get a rise from him.
Your behaviour is very mild in comparison to his, but it sounds like the relationship is all anger and resentment at the moment. Divorce as quickly as possible.

IwantedtobeEmmaPeel · 07/07/2018 16:00

He's a nasty piece of work isn't he. Why is alright to keep blocking the washing machine, doesn't he like clean clothes? His behaviour with the children is worrying - ignoring crying, slamming door in a child's face & wanting to take a 2yr old outside in this heat instead of letting him have his nap. The throwing of the weight on the floor in a temper tantrum and the abusive language in front of the children shows he has no self control - this man should never have had children he is far too selfish to be a good parent. He is a bully & clearly has no self control when you (or possibly anyone female) challenges him - he is out of control. Is he ever left in charge of the children on his own? Get all the financial info you can and start your divorce, don't write him a letter he will just use it as an excuse to start abusing you again. Keep any texts & keep a written timeline of his behaviour because you will need that when the child custody discussions start - do you trust him to look after the children overnight or weekends with a temper like that?

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/07/2018 16:04

The washing machine takes precedence over the work bench because you have to lug washing to and from it so lugging a seat in and out of the way each wash is unworkable. I assume it is used a darn sight more than his precious work bench. I really fail to see how you have antagonised him.

Divorce is the only way forward. He has lost all respect and does not care for your wellbeing. Additionally he’s punishing the children by using them as a weapon against you. Be very careful and smart. On threads like these, it’s always good to remind you to get the shit hot lawyer, who is not necessarily the one, who offers a 30 min consultation. The shit hot lawyer may not need to offer this free services.

charlestonchaplin · 07/07/2018 16:09

I'm no abuse apologist. What did OP hope to achieve by saying, 'Thanks for the help there?', in front of the children? It could only have been a negative reaction, and considering the state of their marriage, possibly a very bad one. OP should not have put her children in that situation.

Was her husband's behaviour bad? Yes, of course, but it would have been better to protect her children than point score. Should she end the relationship? Well, probably, because it can't be doing the children any good, but they will continue to suffer even after the relationship ends if she cannot sometimes swallow her pride and not rise to insults and goody behaviour for their benefit.

RabbitsAreTasty · 07/07/2018 16:09

Why bother writing him a letter saying you are serious about divorce? What's the point? When your solicitor serves the papers he will believe you.

Jonsey79 · 07/07/2018 16:12

Thanks again for all your replies. I do accept that I'm not totally blameless in this and that telling him I wanted a divorce when he was angry wasn't very sensible. The trouble is that I wouldn't normally have the confidence to say it but I was so agitated by how he'd just behaved.

Things haven't been great for a couple of years - since I was pregnant with my youngest. We go through good and bad patches with us never that far from a bad patch. I irritate him - I know this.

These types of arguments aren't unusual for us, but it's very rare that they happen in front of the children. I'm really shocked at how totally he lost control today.

He is very critical of me - he points out every mistake, even minor insignificant things. He has lots of very annoying habits but I never mention them because I know that he won't tolerate any perceived criticism. What happens is that I bottle up things which bother me while he goes merrily along pointing out all my mistakes and then eventually it blows up into a row with him being outraged and amazed at me answering back.

OP posts:
charlestonchaplin · 07/07/2018 16:14

When he wanted to take the child into the garden, OP should have pointed out to him that it was nap time, not ignored his presence and spoke to the child with a different plan. That's what I mean by antagonistic.

Thebluedog · 07/07/2018 16:14

You know yanbu. I wouldn’t bother writing to him, start divorce proceedings and your solicitor can write to him. Tell your parents that you are separating and will be divorcing. Use them this week to give yourself some time and space and also time to visit solicitors and get your ducks in a row. J

Jonsey79 · 07/07/2018 16:23

I just thought that I'd email him maybe to say that I am really serious about this and it is finally over. If the solicitor's letter is the first thing he gets then I think he could react really badly. Also he never picks up the post so I would have to put it in front if him or it'd sit unopened on the kitchen table for a week. He's extremely disorganised about paperwork.

I feel so fucking sad. He has changed completely from the man I married years ago and was my best friend.

My parents are aware and are supportive. The trouble is that they live hundreds of miles away and wouldn't be able to stay longer if I asked them to. Dad is ill and has appointments later in the week. Mum is horrified at the thought of us breaking up. I've totally downplayed how bad things are to her because I don't want to upset her and feel they've got enough worry at the moment.

My brother lives quite close and is supportive, but has no room to put us up.

There really isn't anywhere dh could go and stay in the short term. I am the sociable one and all his friends are husbands of my friends.

OP posts:
trackrBird · 07/07/2018 16:24

No-one expects you to be blameless or perfect.

Keeping company with an arrogant and abusive person brings out this need to constantly apologise for ourselves, test our every tone and utterance for reasonableness, and bend over backwards to apportion at least some blame to ourselves (eg ‘I irritate him’.....no, he would be irritated by anyone who didn’t do or say exactly what he wanted all the time.)

It’s an exhausting way to live.

And you can bet your bottom dollar your abusive companion will be doing no such thing in return, convinced they are perfect people who are showing great forbearance in putting up with you at all.

It can’t go on. It will be draining the life out of you.

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