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Was this abusive?

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Foreverlexicon · 22/06/2018 11:07

I don’t know why it matters but I guess I’m trying to validate my feelings. Was this abusive? For context, both female, were living together.

It’s long but please read all of it, I really need some opinions.

  • lots of lying. Big and little - pretending to have a job for a month and taking out a loan to just little made up stories about stuff that had happened that clearly weren’t true.
  • constantly running out of money halfway through the month then expecting me to foot the bills for everything else even though after commute costs we take home the same pay. This extends to borrowing my credit card and spending £500 on it in a matter of days whilst she was waiting for a new card then refusing to pay me back. Also sulking and having a go at me for spending a chunk of inheritance money (which came before I even met her) on an investment which I needed, despite me housing her for free and buying her 2 cars. Saying I should be spending it taking her out for dinner/cocktails.
  • Belittling my passion - common quotes would be ‘oh that’s so childish, my horse jumped a fence whoop - what are you, 5?’ ‘Oh go wank your horse off’
  • Nagging about sex. Sulking when I said no. Having a go at me for not wanting it when we were fighting all the time. On one occasion continued touching me when I was saying NO I don’t want to. Eventually backed off but when I told her that was assault, she said ‘don’t be so dramatic’
  • Having a go at me over tiny things (buying the wrong type of potatoes, not realising we had run out of milk when I wasn’t even in the house as I was staying away for work) which included name calling ‘you’re such a cunt’ ‘you’re so fucking stupid’ - this happening 3/4 times a week.
  • Accusing me of never treating her or taking her out but turning down all my suggestions beyond 3 course dinners and lots of wine which I couldn’t always afford. Saying it was my fault for not spending time with her then refusing to take days off with me.
  • Making me feel guilty for being at work when she isn’t (shiftwork!), saying I caused her to develop bulimia, saying all my friends and her counsellor (which she went to once) all agree it’s my fault.
  • Being downright nasty when bad things happened in my life. I.e I had a really nasty horse riding accident and broke my shoulder, asked her to drive 5 min to pick me up then take me to hospital 10 min away. She turned up with a face like thunder and was really angry I’d spoilt her evening (just a normal night in) or when I was struggling adjusting to a new job (having panic attacks about going in and feeling really trapped) she would tell me to ‘go kill yourself then’ and ‘i hope you crash your car on the way to work’.
  • Constantly accusing me of not supporting her in anything despite me doing so whenever I could - taught her to ride the horse as she said she wanted to, paid for her to have lessons, bought her cars when hers broke, willing to move 2 hours away for a uni she was interested in, spending hours proof reading and editing the grammar on her uni essays, 100% willing for us to take a paycut in spending money to allow her to go to uni (working full time and her part time obv = me paying larger chunk of bills). I also bought her two dogs because she wanted them as was lonely due to my shiftwork.
  • Texting me whilst I was at work saying she’s going to kill herself. I work for the police so put me in a massively compromising situation - not knowing whether to set up a welfare check as if I did she would be furious but if I didn’t what if she did hurt herself? Ended up confiding in her aunt purely out of concern, who is an officer who spoke to her and girlfriend was furious at me for talking to her.
  • Threatening me when angry. Would get right up in my face shouting at me, said over the phone ‘if you do x I’ll break your neck’ or ‘If you do y I’ll let the horses out onto the motorway’ or, after I spoke to her aunt ‘speak to my family again and you’ll be really really sorry’. No violence was ever actually committed.

There’s probably loads more that I can’t think of right now.

I’ve gotten so confused as to what is normal and what isn’t and part of me is wondering...was I the abuser?

I did disregard her feelings a bit towards the amount of time I spent with the horses because ‘this is what I’ve always done, you knew this when you met me,’ and their cost - I fund it all myself and have never asked her for help even when I was off work with broken shoulder and self employed at the time so not earning anything. I also felt to a degree, they NEED proper care. I was always willing to pay someone to help if we wanted a day out or anything but I do have an obligation to care for them the best I can. I can’t decide not to go tend to them because I can’t be bothered or not to buy their feed because we’re a bit skint and she wants to go out for dinner.

I did stop having regular sex with her but not as punishment- I just didn’t WANT it when we were arguing all the time
And the more she nagged, the more I got turned off.

I did eventually shut down and stopped bothering to try after I got pushed and pushed away. Before that I didn’t always make as much effort as I should’ve.

I did choose to pick nights and late shifts at work opposed to earlies as they worked best financially as to getting help with horses and I felt earlies would be pointless as due to the commute this meant me being out from 5am to 8pm after tending to the horses and I feel utterly dreadful getting up at 4am and have to go to bed at 8pm in order to be able to feel half human. It was only ever short term (I have a career move in the next 4 months or so which would mean 8 out of 10 evenings at home) and she agreed this was the best way.

When we rowed I did row back but I never ever made threats or called her names or told her to kill herself or anything like that. I begged her to talk to me and to let me help.

Despite all of this I desperately want her back. She also took our dogs as I can’t look after them by myself due to work.

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Shoxfordian · 22/06/2018 11:15

She was emotionally abusive and also sexually assaulted you. It sounds like a completely toxic relationship; don't go back to her.

cinders15 · 22/06/2018 11:29

Oh please read this back to yourself
Do not willingly be a victim
Do not let her wear you down
If somebody tells you that you are crap for long enough, unfortunately you start to believe them
Use this time to become stronger in yourself, and work out what is and what is NOT acceptable behaviour
You are worth more than this
Be strong and do not give in
Go no contact and start to heal Thanks

Sarahlou63 · 22/06/2018 11:32

Ditch the bitch and get another horse.

eurgh · 22/06/2018 11:33

Read all that back again. Then leave her.

Cjoness93 · 22/06/2018 11:35

Do not go back!
Focus on yourself, get yourself back to being happy. Enjoy being single. Do things that make you happy (your horses etc), keep yourself busy so that you do not find yourself thinking about her. She is toxic. She is abusive.
You deserve a better. You deserve to be safe and happy. Just because she hasn't been violent yet, doesn't mean you're safe.
Without wanting to sound harsh- she doesn't love you- if she did, she would never tell you to end your own life or wish anything bad on to you.
Put yourself first. Leave her in the past and learn from that situation and never let anyone make you feel like that again.
I was in a similar situation a few years ago so I do know how you're feeling!

Foreverlexicon · 22/06/2018 12:07

Thank you. This is exactly what I needed to hear.

It’s so weird how it just creeps up and becomes so normal and you end up genuinely believing it’s yourself in the wrong. And that stuff like a sexual assault or being told to die becomes something you shrug off.

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NotTheFordType · 22/06/2018 12:20

This is actually a really high level of abuse and I think if you had stuck around you would be soon getting into the physical abuse as well.

What did you learn about your own value growing up that you didn't kick her sorry ass out the first time she called you a cunt?

holrosea · 22/06/2018 13:28

A lot of posters on MN recommend the Freedom Programme (www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/) to help women recognise abusive and controlling behaviours, and also to identify healthy, respectful relationships.

From your post, I'd guess that your self esteem was not terribly high to start with, and this woman has knocked emotional chunks out of you. Her behaviour towards you sounds deeply abusive and very upsetting, and I believe that you need to take a big step back, work on your self esteem (maybe with a counselor) and tell yourself repeatedly that you deserve far better. Flowers

ThatsWotSheSaid · 22/06/2018 14:21

I find it sad that you need to ask. You deserve better.

Foreverlexicon · 22/06/2018 16:42

Thanks so much everyone.

I’ve bookmarked this thread and when I get my flashes of doubt I come back and read it.

I knew the threats and the assault were abuse I guess but the threats were just words and as she always said nasty stuff in a temper it just rolled off me as I knew she didn’t mean it. Equally with the assault...meh it just didn’t feel that big a deal. Which is clearly ridiculous.

The rest I dunno. I wasn’t sure if it were enough to count as more than just...someone’s negative side.

On one hand this realisation does help. It doesn’t stop me missing her but it makes
me feel better about the situation and stops me beating myself up. The other part of me is just feeling absolutely battered. Like it’s not just 2 people who drifted apart and changed but...how much of it was just a lie?

And then I still strongly believe she never meant to be nasty or malicious, I still feel it’s just the side effect of a bad childhood and untreated MH problems. Which makes me wish she had just gotten help and engaged, like I begged her so many times.

God this is rough.

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Cjoness93 · 22/06/2018 16:55

It is rough, yes, but you are strong enough to get through it.
I know lots of people who had bad childhoods and MH issues who don't abuse their partners etc. I do really understand that you miss her, but you are worth so much more! One day, you'll meet someone who treats you the way you deserve to be treated and loves you right, and you'll only feel pity for her.
A relationship can be a big part of your life, but hold on, it will get easier without her.
You are strong enough to do this without her. You can do it and you will go on to be happy. Just try keep your head up high Thanks

AmazingPostVoices · 22/06/2018 17:03

Read your OP over again.

Why do you want her back? Honestly why?

You could pick a random person out of a crowd and have more chance of happiness than you would with your ex.

She said “I hope you crash your car”, she threatened your horses.

That’s not normal, that’s not someone who loves you, or even someone who likes you.

It doesn’t matter why she behaved this way. It doesn’t matter if it’s her fault.

She isn’t good enough for you.

Foreverlexicon · 22/06/2018 17:26

Thank you. All very true. I miss the good times as some of it was truly magic and we always had a real laugh together. However most of these times I remember were within the first year and always when I’d shelled out a bunch of money on something.

I’m gonna have a chat with my team leader at work tomorrow.

We have a great welfare system and I think up to 12 free counselling sessions. It might mean I have to make a statement regarding it all but as long as I don’t support it, they won’t take it any further (I still want to see our dogs and she owes me a lot of money so if I mess too much i’ll never see any of that back..if I will anyway!). Waking up to this all feels a bit surreal and I think some support would be very helpful.

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