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Is it ever possible to separate from and co-parent with a manipulative and controlling partner?

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IsSpringhereyet · 21/06/2018 11:51

I separated from my husband 6 weeks ago. We have 3 school-aged DC. The reasons were his controlling behaviour, my inability to trust anything he says, his drinking and coke-taking. I borrowed money and rented a house, intending to take the children and move in. When I broke the news, he agreed to move out and we reached a compromise whereby he has the children 1 day at the weekend and 2 nights a week and on those days I go to the rented house; the rest of the time, he goes there. This was my idea: to cause minimal disruption to the children.

The way it works in practice is this: he nominally sticks to his nights away from the marital home but he will come and go pretty much as he pleases, conveniently having “forgotten” something he has to come and fetch. He will phone and text me at work or at home several times a day, ostensibly to do with the children and school/ after-school arrangements (there are lots of school events for which we have to co-ordinate between us). If I don’t text back or return his calls straight away or within a couple of hours he gets shirty. He also phones and texts me on the evenings and on the day at the weekend when he has the children and I am supposedly “off duty”; he asks me questions about who I’m with, where I am. I’ve learned it’s easier to tell him because otherwise he bombards me with texts and calls saying he “knows” I am seeing someone, that I owe it to him to tell him everything, that I need to be honest and open, that if I want to be friends I need to have the “decency” to be “straight” with him. I find this galling given that he is incredibly mendacious and I spent 15 years being open, honest and loyal to him and always giving him the benefit of the doubt. I’ve tried telling him it’s none of his business where I go and what I do but this only makes him worse. He also quizzes my friends and checks up on me (I went on a course a few weeks ago and he told me he couldn’t find it online and could he have the notes etc.)

It is getting to the point where he ruins my time away because I am always expecting him to text and ring and if I don’t respond he gets himself into a state and I am terrified of the tirade of abuse I will get about what a worthless and dishonest person I am and/or how this sort of behaviour will impact on the children (who are in his care at these times). The day after such displays of behaviour, he either plays it down, or apologises and generally is charming and “normal”.

The lease is almost up on the rented place and I can’t afford to rent anything else; he has made it clear he is moving back once the lease ends. I will then be trapped with him. The market is dead at the moment and none of the (much nicer) houses for sale in our area are being sold. I feel increasingly desperate because I know he has an ability to make me doubt myself and normalise his behaviour and I feel once he is back I will find it so hard to break away. I know he is controlling and manipulative but I keep wondering if I am overreacting.

Has anyone any experience of this sort of behaviour/situation? I am feeling an anxious wreck. How can I handle this? I would love to block him and never see him again but how can I do this when I am trying to co-parent children with him? He earns all the money and I am dependent on him financially so it feels as if he holds all the power. Any moral support or words of wisdom would be so appreciated as I am feeling almost suicidal at the prospect of never escaping from him.

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jeaux90 · 21/06/2018 12:05

Look up the grey rock method. You need to limit any communication to the kids only. And then you keep it bland. Dead eyes, not emotionally charged responses. Don't respond to anything unless it's to do with the kids.

Have you had your free 30 mins with a solicitor yet? You need to divorce him.

He sounds like a narcissist.

blueangel1 · 21/06/2018 12:21

This all sounds very familiar. DP is now divorced from his narcissist ex wife, but it has been hell on earth. She wanted a gagging clause in the divorce agreement, to prevent him from having another relationship or marrying again, and she is accusing him of slander at every turn.

It is almost impossible for him to see youngest DD (17) and she has made false allegations to the police on numerous occasions. She managed to get him arrested once and he is currently under investigation by the police for alleged coercive control, when in reality what she is doing is projecting her own behaviour on to him. He has gone NC with her apart from anything to do with the house they are still trying to sell.

Grey rock is definitely, definitely the way forward. The second you engage with a narcissist you give them fuel, and they won't stop.

And just for the record, he's a shit and you need to divorce him.

IsSpringhereyet · 21/06/2018 14:33

Thank you Jeauxand blueangel
I have wondered in the past if he had borderline personality disorder and he certainly has narcisstic traits so I will read up on that. Apparently his counsellor (who he’s been seeing since we split, I think, to win me back although I begged him to get help with his anger issues years ago to no avail) says he suffers from PTSD dating back to childhood. I have tried to help him and to be as supportive as I can but he drains me. He demands so much attention to the detriment of the children and my own mental health.
I have tried grey rock and I must keep it up because it was successful but I couldn’t sustain it.
When he texts or calls do I ignore? He will say it’s about the children if it will make me respond.
You’re right, I will have to start divorce proceedings to ever have independence from him.

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IsSpringhereyet · 21/06/2018 14:36

Blueangel I do so feel for you and your DP. These people play by an entirely different set of rules from the rest of us.

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blueangel1 · 21/06/2018 15:21

@IsSpringhereyet - he will use the children every opportunity he can, sadly. At some point soon you may have to choose to move the children somewhere else as he will still see your place as "home", and he will expect to behave exactly as he pleases there. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment, and it's awful. Sort yourself a solicitor out soon, and let him/her know what's going on. My DP's solicitor has been brilliant and I don't know what we would have done without him.

And you're right; people with personality disorders simply don't have the same brains as the rest of us.

MissTeBe · 22/06/2018 19:17

See a solicitor ASAP

It only gets worse

Keep yourself and the children safe

Don’t answer the phone to him. If he texts, reply only to anything connected to the children and nothing else

Its really hard (I’ve been there) but in time it does get easier

Keep a note on your phone if any shitty behaviour so that if you start to falter, you can read it again

Thamesis · 23/06/2018 13:43

Speak to Women's Aid OP and get some support. With their guidance and a good solicitor I took my (now ex-) H to court and got a non-molestation and occupation order so kids and I could stay in the house alone until we sell. It has saved my mental health.

Flowers for you - it's a tough time but try and get that protection so you can start to recover and heal.

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