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Am I being manipulated out of divorce?

44 replies

WishfulWanderer · 11/06/2018 22:11

Some of you know my situation, and seen MeV on here before. I thank you all for your support it's helped me so much to LTB. I've started divorce proceedings. DH has developed a softly spoken baby lamb persona, which I've not seen before. He's asked me to stop proceedings and to wait 6 months. He has been verbally emotionally and psychologically abusive. Exanples refusing to take me to hospital when pregnant, when forced by midwife, swore at me the whole way, raging at me when I have said I didn't feel like attending a social event, expecting sex on tap - telling me that compared to other women I'm weird when I say no, also telling me I'm mentally unstable and have therefore made this all up it never really happened.
He has now said for the first time that he did do all those things, is ashamed of himself, and totally accepts he let me down. He wants to see a counsellor to understand why do he stops this behaviour for good. So much bad stuff has happened my trust and respect for him are totally messed up. There's a tiny 1% of me that wonders if I should listen to him an wait, whilst I actually rationally know it will not change. Last week he became aggressive pointing and shouting telling me what to do, for the first time I told him not to dare speak to me like that followed by go fuck yourself, and walked away. I started feeling confused about whether this is just another manipulation tactic? How can I tell if it's real or not? Thank you beautiful ladies.

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Babdoc · 12/06/2018 08:44

OP, a big hug and huge congratulations for standing up to him, refusing to let him speak to you like that and telling him to fuck off! I nearly cheered when I read that bit in your post. Hang on to that feeling, of being powerful, of calling the shots, of not taking any more shit. Nurture the feeling, let it grow, along with your self esteem and confidence. Remind yourself you deserve so much better than the treatment this bullying arsehole is giving you.
And to help you stay strong, round up some reinforcements. Contact Women’s Aid, mobilise friends and family, get everyone on side in real life as well as online with MN.
The most dangerous time is when you actually leave, or the divorce becomes absolute and he is made to leave. Abusers hate losing to victims, and can become very vindictive, so you need a plan and support in place.
Once you are through that bit, you can look forward to a much happier life, where you are not being constantly undermined, gaslighted and abused. Think of all the energy you won’t need to waste on fighting that all the time! You will have so many fun possibilities, so many better ways to spend your time, so many much nicer people to meet.
My prayers and best wishes for your future, OP. Stand firm!

hellsbellsmelons · 12/06/2018 11:25

Does he work?
How old is DC?
Do you work?
What is the situation with housing?
Mortgage? Rented?

He won't get 100% custody.
Please try to record him (very very discreetly) next time he starts shouting at you.
I hope you have already spoken to Womens Aid.
If not, then call them today.

trojanpony · 12/06/2018 14:07

I remember your posts - congratulations. I am delighted you left him - he was awful.

Another one calling Bullshit on his baby lamb voice and “nice” behaviour.

Do not put a hold on divorce proceedings I watched my father use his “quiet voice” on my mother multiple times. She wasted over 30 years on him.
Don’t delay even by a day. He’ll either be trying to draw you back in or hide money or “plot revenge” etc. Whatever it is don’t concern yourself just focus on pushing forward with divorce.

Gemini69 · 12/06/2018 14:12

are you okay OP ? are you feeling threatened in your own home.. please if you can call someone or the Police and have him removed for a bit... Flowers

WishfulWanderer · 12/06/2018 19:11

Thank you everyone for your support
I have had support from women's aid and he's been sent away for 24 hrs, but back tomo. While he's been gone he's sent so many loving messages. I will not fall for it.

@ hellsbellsmelons yes he works, high earner, full time. I'm low earner pt with 3 dcs all at primary school. We have a mortgage, he wants me out of the house, and wants to force sale, and take dcs.

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SandyY2K · 12/06/2018 19:43

Block his number for now.
He won't change.
Next time he says you're unstable...tell him he should be relieved it's over.

Stay strong.

WishfulWanderer · 12/06/2018 19:52

@SandyY2K
In the past when he's repeatedly told me I'm mental and I've told him it's over he has not been relieved, when asked why, because he should feel relief for not putting with how crazy I am, he says he feels sorry for me and so he wants to stay and knows no one else will 'look after' me.

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SandyY2K · 12/06/2018 20:07

What a manipulator he is....as well as trying to make you think he's the only one who'll be with you.

Men like him are insecure and only feel good grinding you down and eroding your self esteem.

You've clocked him.

msmsms · 12/06/2018 20:10

Wanderer - He seems to be trying every trick in the book to keep you under his control... don't fall for it!

WishfulWanderer · 12/06/2018 20:17

How do men learn or acquire these tricks and manipulation, I often wonder if it comes to them naturally or do they swot up on them. I wouldn't even know how to begin with such tactics.

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Maelstrop · 12/06/2018 20:26

If you’re primary carer, he won’t get full custody. So he can put them in childcare while he works?? Idiot. If he is verbally/physically abusive, the police can remove him. You can apply for a residency order, on which I’m vague, sorry. Get legal advice re getting him out of the house, if possible, ASAP, OP.

WishfulWanderer · 12/06/2018 20:35

There's no physical apart from one slap on the back 8 years ago. Solicitor and police said it's not 'bad' enough for an injunction or non molestation order as they called it. The verbal abuse is regular but at times infrequent but the emotional psychological abuse is constant.

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Nellia · 13/06/2018 06:19

Op how are you todayFlowers?

I think police can be quite useless in relation to emotional abuse it depends on who you get.

Id still pursue the non molestation order if possible on the grounds that he has been physically abusive in the past. You fear that it will esculate and return. You where a prisoner in your own home confined to the bathroom for your own protection from his threats. During which time he showed no regard for the childrens safety as he was busy with his tirade against you. As a result he left them unsupervised and prevented you from reaching them.

RoseMartha · 13/06/2018 06:44

Different circumstances but sounds like my STBEx . I feel like I am living in limbo land. But he can be aggressive, amicable, controlling, dismissive, nice, manipulating, accusing, childlike and more in the space of an hour. Sometimes over a half day or a whole day. Stuck to your decision. It's time to end it. It's really hard but do it for you and your children.

WishfulWanderer · 13/06/2018 12:12

Thank you all for your support
Sorry you're also going through such a hard time RoseMartha sending love and strength
They often act like nothing happened afterwards or that you somehow contributed or made them do whatever nasty thing they did/said

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LB2203 · 13/06/2018 13:07

Have you pointed out to the police that it's coercive control? They are supposed to be trained in this and to take it more seriously, but it can be hit and miss. They ought to know well enough that this is the point where previously non physical abuse can rapidly escalate into physical abuse. They shouldn't be fobbing you off.

These men are graduates of the School of Bolloxology, as Pat Craven would say.

RoseMartha · 13/06/2018 14:58

Before I decided to end it I often apologised to him for things he had done. This was to stop the stonewalling from him and so things were bearable in the house again. Now I feel why did I put up with this for so long . 😕

Winterskye · 13/06/2018 15:18

WishfulWanderer

I am so sorry you are going through this. Things will get better, right now thou he is not going to make things easy for you to break free. Try and not to show emotion in any interactions with him, that is what he wants.
Your stronger then this even thou you may not feel it. Keep with your divorce process. He will not change, only change in the moment to keep you from leaving in the moment.

Here is an article you may want to read, it is written by a sociopathic narcissist who gives his perspective on situations and how to handle them in the best way for us to become free from them. I know many will be against reading anything a narcissist wrote due to they are liers, he has helped many people leave and understand why they were treated the way they were. Including myself, I was married to a man that beat me, rage at me, with held money, so on and so forth. I am free from him and know what to look for to keep me from entering another relationship with someone like him and I understand their perspective.

narcsite.com/2018/04/06/the-dirty-divorce-7/

Best wishes and prayers you will soon be free from this , you deserve much more.

Joysmum · 14/06/2018 09:07

Excellent link Winterskye 👍

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