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I'm falling apart and have no-one to talk to

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raggybaggy · 11/06/2018 11:06

My H - a can't bring myself to call him a DH - is destroying me with the way he behaves and I don't know how much more I can take. So here is my pathetic story that I can't tell anyone else.

About 3 years ago my younger brother started a relationship with a girl who at that time was 2, he was 27. She moved in to the house my dad owns where she shared some rooms with my brother. The whole family met her and thought she was lovely, including me.

The christmas before last, the whole family including me, my H and child went over to spend a few days together for christmas and new year. During those few days, I noticed that my brothers girlfriend was quite flirty with my H (who is the same age as this girl's father). My H lapped up the attention. I was upset but said nothing, because although I could see and sense what was happening, it was all too easily deniable. He would say I was imagining it.

Over the next few months we met up as a big family group many times. i notice that whenever they have the opportunity to sit next to each other, they do. About this time last year, at a family gathering, my brother's GF said her dad was turning 50 that year and I laughed and said my H was turning 50 too. My H gave me the filthiest look and didn't talk to me for a few hours. He left the room in a sulk - although nobody would have noticed this.

When I asked him why he was so upset, he just said he didn't like me making a point of his age and he didn't want to think about it. But I was convinced that it was because I was making the connection between his age and this girl's fathers age in front of her.

In the meantime, my H had seemed worn out and tired with his demanding job. He works really hard and has done all his working life. I had said to him that I thought it would be good if he took a few weeks off from working to go off travelling and experience some of the lovely things that I had when I was younger. I really felt that this would be a great thing for him and give him an opportunity to experience meeting new people and see the world differently.

I talked to my younger brother about this and he said that he was planning to go hiking in italy with friends and it would be great if my H went too. So I talked to my H and it was agreed. Then in the autumn it seemed like that trip would take too long and also my brother's friends hadn't confirmed that they'd be able to go. So the plan changed to france and the dates changed. And then my brother said his GF was going to come too. This made me worried but it seemed unlikely she'd be able to get time off work to do it.

Last christmas we all got together again at my parents house - where my brother and his GF also live - to celebrate xmas and new year.
Again I noticed this flirty behaviour between the 2 of them. However there was nothing that was very obvious until a couple of hours after we'd rung in the new year. We were all sitting around the kitchen table playing board games. Everyone had drunk quite a lot, but I was sober. My H was sitting with his arm around my brother's GF and I noticed that his hand slipped from her shoulder and was resting on her bum. I sat there for a while observing this situation. She looked at me and smiled. I left the room and went to check to see if the london underground was still running so I could leave and go home.She came into the other room and asked what I was doing and I told here I was checking to see if the tube was still running. She assured me that it was and that I could easily get on it now if I wanted to leave. I didn't reply to her.

At that point I decided not to leave. and instead to have it out with my H. So when everyone started to go off to bed, I dragged my H into the porch and angrily asked him why he was sitting in full view of the whole family with his hands on my brother's GF's bum. He denied it. I told him not to be stupid as I was sitting opposite them observing. He tried to leave the house and get in the car to leave. I locked the door so he couldn't get out because he was too drunk to drive. We had a terrible night arguing, locked in the porch. Eventually he was too tired to do anything and we went to bed. I didn't sleep a wink. In the morning he said he was leaving and I stopped him, saying that everyone would want to know why he was leaving and that I wasn't going to lie for him. So he agreed to stay and we pretended our way through the day and eventually went home.

He told me later that he was so drunk he had no recollection of having done anything inappropriate. I told him I knew he had feelings for her and that he had to get over it, because the whole situation is impossible and would split my family apart and make everyone miserable. He agreed.

So then we had the run-up to departure for this trip he was going on with my brother - and his GF who's managed to get 3 weeks off. There have been multiple times where we've got together and I have bitten my toungue, kept my temper, been the grown up, ignored the obvious attraction between them. My brother is completely oblivious.

I have asked my H outright how he's going to manage his feelings for this girl in this difficult situation of being on a hiking trip with her and my brother. He said he doesn't have any feelings for her and has said he'll feel a bit of a spare part because obviously they're a couple and he'll be left out. He said he could see I was anxious about this trip and feeling insecure, so he'd cancel it.

I told him not to - because it was all arranged. I also thought he would have to face the fact that the whole thing is ridiculous - that he can't carry on this flirty relationship with a girl half his age, who's in a relationship with his brother in law (who he's very fond of incidentally). Also I knew I'd be branded the jealous, insecure wife in his mind and he'd use this against me.
So on friday we all met up at my dad's house again. During which time, my dad went on and on about how wonderful my brother's girlfriend is and how she fits in so well to this family etc etc. Everyone loves her. I used to, but not anymore.

So my H is now off hiking with them. He just sent me a whatsapp photo of the 2 of them together. In this picture, she's in the middle, standing slightly apart from my brother but she and my H have their arms touching from should to wrist.

I feel physically sick. I can't tell any of my friends or family about this situation - because how can i? I feel so troubled. I hate my H at this moment for the fact that his behaviour has made me feel so trapped and that he has hi-jacked my family and my happiness.

I'm pretty sure that he has had affairs in the past, he never admitted it and I could never prove it. But to get into this situation which is so explosive for not just our marriage, but my entire family is just horrendous.

I'm not stupid and I know him well, so I know that I am right about this. I can tell me their body language and the way they're always next to each other at every opportunity. Now there's nothing I can do but sit here and wait to see what happens and think about what I'm going to do.
And I really don't know what I'm going to do.
Anyway, I had to get this off my chest which is why I'm typing it here, because there's no-one else to share this with.
It might be the straw that breaks the camels back and leads to splitting. When I look back at our marriage, I can see all the times when my H has behaved really badly and selfishly. Looking into the future, there's no reason to think that it will change. My DS is 13. He'd be devastated if we split. He'd be even more devastated if he knew the reason, as he adores my brother's GF too.

I've never felt so heart sick in my life. I couldn't go to work today because I feel frankly, mentally unstable like I'm about to crack up.

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MyKingdomForBrie · 11/06/2018 15:47

She sounds like a bit of a sociopath. Your H is a selfish deluded arsehole who is putting his pathetic ego before his wife and child.

Do you ever do anything a bit sneaky - check his phone/emails etc?

PrizeOik · 11/06/2018 15:53

Op, I am not trying to be mean to you I'm simply trying to get you to see that you DO have control in this situation. You do not need to be this much of a victim. You feel anxious and sick because you seem to believe you have zero control. Again - you need counselling. It's not normal to urge your husband to holiday with a woman he wants to have sex with.

If you want to get a handle on your current feelings, here's what may work:

Imagine the absolute worst thing that could result from the current situation.

Be very factual about it. List the events that could occur.

Then imagine in detail how you would cope with them. E.g., I'd lose my house (massively unlikely but hey ho)... I guess I'd have to be housed by the council. And as you imagine each possible outcome - notice that you'd survive them all.

Once you realize that no matter what happens, you will survive it - you may feel your anxiety calming down.

eggncress · 11/06/2018 15:53

Sorry, OP... what a horrible situation to be in. You need to let your poor brother know... it’s nothing to do with jealousy, it’s just the right thing to do.
And you know what you need to do also if you no longer trust him and he doesn’t respect you.

raggybaggy · 11/06/2018 15:53

No, I don't have access to any of that.

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AsleepAllDay · 11/06/2018 15:55

@raggybaggy this must be so hard for you. FWIW your decisions so far make sense from one perspective, calling your husband out and involving your family will be a big step

In this case I think he has already done too much damage to be allowed to carry on. You owe it to yourself and DS to leave on your own terms.

He is so disrespectful to you and I honestly think you have the patience of a saint to not have belted him one! I know I would be tempted

Nubian22 · 11/06/2018 16:00

Hi raggy,

I’m sorry you are experiencing this!

I agree with asleep, you need to find your anger. I’ve been in a similar position to you. I found it helped me to write down all the bad things he had done and I re-read it.

I would recommend you give him a shock when he gets home. If you can get your hair restyled in other words go and pamper yourself and go and meet some friends and force yourself to say ‘up yours’ I’m going to have fun!

You have to get ‘you’ back.

Good luck

starsuniteonceagain · 11/06/2018 16:03

Why would you want to save a marriage where there is no trust. If it's not this girl it will be somebody else. You will drive yourself crazy always wondering what he's doing or who he is talking to. Your going to make yourself more unhappy.
It's YOUR family, not hers! Approach one of your parents and explain your concerns. Don't suffer in silence!

Huskylover1 · 11/06/2018 16:08

Oh blimey, reading that was just dreadful, I really feel for you, I have been in the EXACT same position with my first Husband. Many times in fact. Never got any proof of anything, but you just know. He tried it on with all of my friends. Just GRIM.

You need to leave this man. It won't get any better. You will turn yourself inside out, trying to find evidence or, dismiss his behaviour as your over-reacting, even when it's staring you in the face.

My advice to you, having been in your shoes, would be to leave him. I know it's easier said than done. Of course it is. But look how unhappy this is making you. It took me 4 years before I just seemed to wake up one day, and realise that I couldn't carry on. I had warned my H many times about his drunken behaviour with women, and he just didn't listen, or maybe thought I wasn't strong enough to leave.

Your son will be fine. My kids survived, pretty unscathed. They are both now at Uni and doing great.

I am now married to a lovely man, who would never behave in such a sleezy way. And it's wonderful.

You CAN confide in your family. Tell them the truth. In fact, now (when your H and brother and his gf are away), is the IDEAL time to talk to them. If you think that no-one else noticed your H's hand on the GF bum on New Years, you will be wrong. They just won't have known what to say.

You don't need any more proof of anything to leave him. The relationship isn't making you feel happy, loved and secure. That's a great reason to Exit stage left. It's making you so ill, that you are skipping work (which I get), but my point is, your H isn't enhancing your life, he's actually making you ill.

If you haven't checked his phone / e-mail / FB messenger etc, I would certainly do that (just for added momentum). I'd bet anything, that if your H and the GF didn't have each others mobile numbers before this little trip, that they will have them on return, so I'd be looking at his phone after he gets back.

Use this time when he's away, to look at the finances. How would the money look if you split? What could you afford to buy/rent on your own? Copy his wage slips (in case he lies to CMS about income).

You need to take control. And fast.

No doubt your H will minimise his behaviour. You can just say that his behaviour makes you feel uncomfortable, and not the centre of his world. You need more.

Flowers
Huskylover1 · 11/06/2018 16:12

No, I don't have access to any of that

What? Are you saying that he is secretive with his devices? If so, I'm sorry, but that is a HUGE indication that he has something to hide.

Ask to borrow his phone, as yours has been mislaid. His response will tell you everything.

Gemini69 · 11/06/2018 16:12

I agree with everyone .... I'd be letting my younger Brother know that my nearly 50 year old knob end of a Husband is infatuated with his very young GF... fast Flowers

raggybaggy · 11/06/2018 16:12

Thank you all for all your advice. It has helped me a lot today. I feel like I'm ending the day in a better state than I started it. You've all given me a lot to think about and a lot of kindness - which has really made me feel a lot less alone. xx

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MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 11/06/2018 16:12

I think the bit that stuck out the most for me was that you had a conversation on how he'd manage his feelings for her on this trip.

That's not a conversation anyone should have with a dedicated loving partner sweetheart. I can't express that enough.

Then with knowledge of forethought he still poses in a picture with body contact with this woman, knowing you'll see it. How much disrespect is he (and her) showing you there?

I know you are doing what you are doing to stop this creating divides in your family, but would your parents be happy to know that you are in this much misery and angst? You are their daughter, not the girlfriend of one of their children. Put yourself first. What do you want?

And yes he's instigating deceit in his actions, even though she's playing up to it. I think they are both as bad as each other really. She's manipulating a situation where she is assuming you won't kick up a fuss to upset everyone and sees herself as the golden girl. And your husband...well he's just a dog really isn't he?

So sorry this situation is just horrible.

AsleepAllDay · 11/06/2018 16:26

So glad that posting has helped @raggybaggy - pop by whenever

Lots of luck with talking to your family & gearing up for your next steps! Please be kind to yourself in this time & try to stay on track with eating, sleeping & doing everything you can to be there for your son

Thanks
Putbiglighton · 13/06/2018 11:48

Just wanted to say, I'm thinking of you and hope you're OK. I have been in this situation with my ex husband and I know how it feels. Sending you hugs and support xx

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