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I am so fed up with my marriage. Please offer some suggestions

22 replies

phoingintosummer · 08/06/2018 22:01

DH thinks I am too needy and controlling. I don’t know if I am.

He persuaded me to have more DC than I wanted to have, promising that he would be present and help with the childcare and everything else. It was part of a deal we made. I have a chronic illness which has flare ups, and I knew after I had two DC that I was at my absolute limit, on top of working part time and I told him so. DH begged me, we made the deal, in writing, and I now have 3DC under 3yo.

Then apparently things changed beyond DH’s control since DC3 was born – his business started going under, so he had to spend more time in work, his mother became ill who lives abroad and he has had to travel more, and since DC3 was born he has barely been present at all. I spend a lot of time alone, still working part time, caring for three DC and being ill. I hate life and I feel incredibly depressed.

DH says that his absence is due to his business and finances spiraling out of control and that everything he is doing to save it is in “our best interests as a family.” I believe him about that fact (that things spiraled out of control – I know it’s true) but I don’t know if that justifies the amount of time he has to be away, and on bad days I feel like perhaps I’ve been duped into having an extra DC so he can have the 3DC he always wanted, have someone to bring them up, but not have to be present.

I have become increasingly depressed and anxious. As I am so busy, I don’t get the opportunity to have much of a break or talk to anyone else, so DH is the only person I talk to, mostly instant messaging or sometimes calling in the evening. Because DH sees himself as some saviour of the family finances by going out and grafting, he does give himself breaks - absences on top of absences. "Chill out" time.

He says that I am very needy on the phone and “always complaining.” That it’s very hard for him to be with someone who is "constantly negative." That - deal or no deal – I can’t blame him for things that happened that are out of our control. That I can't blame him for the financial markets which made his business go under just when we had a 3rd DC. I say that I am living a life I did not sign up for. Apparently I have to accept that “life is tough” and sometimes I “just have to accept that things won’t be good all the time, and we all live lives we did not sign up for.”

Occasionally when he is home at a weekend, we will have a friend of mine over for a drink, because he is then around to help with the DC while I talk to my friend. He will then use this for weeks as a reason why I have a social life and how I am "always" socialising and it is not his fault that when I get a break I choose to socialise and "not rest" for my own health. That I don't help myself.

I sometimes try and account for his away time. Saying do you really need to be doing that, or going there? Is it really likely you will pick up business from this or that situation? When I am very ill or the DC and I are ill, I ask him to please come back, and he says all this is controlling of his time and I am not keeping the "big picture" in my head.

I have to be able to trust him to judge that the time he spends away is worthwhile for the family and justifies the toll it takes on my physical health. That hangs in the balance daily for me. Some days I think yes what he is doing is essential and this was a situation out of our control that happened. Other times I feel like I am being taken for a ride. It sounds very over-dramatic, but I feel like he wouldn't care if this killed me.

But I don’t know if the other option – LTB – makes life any better or easier for me. I can't afford childcare on my salary, even if I went full time. I think he would be extremely difficult over money, considering our situation he would think I had made it 100x worse financially if I tried to split, which he would argue was in the DC's worst interests because we’re already struggling as it is. And then there's the fact I would be completely alone with 3DC under 3yo, which is what I never wanted in the first place without a stable marriage and support.

Do you think I am wrong to feel so angry and resentful about it? What are my options?

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 08/06/2018 22:08

God, he sounds awful. And three children under three is difficult for anyone, never mind someone with an absent husband and a health problem. Please, please, make sure you're not persuaded again.

Aria999 · 08/06/2018 22:10

Wow. Massive sympathy. You have every right to be angry and resentful. Sure it sounds like the financial situation is just one of those things but the problem is that he isn't taking seriously your need for support and companionship. If he was apologetic and concerned, and made an effort to be with you whenever work made it possible, that might be different. But calling you needy tries to make you into part of the problem and that's really unfair. You're not needy - you just need some (perfectly reasonable) things from him. Which he agreed to. Don't have much advice sorry but yanbu!

HollowTalk · 08/06/2018 22:11

It wouldn't do any harm to look at your financial options. If you enter your details onto this calculator and enter more details into the child maintenance calculator you'll be in a better position to make a decision.

Personally I wouldn't do any more than 16 hours per week while you have three small children and a health condition.

Once you know what your options are, you'll be in a better position to make a decision.

One thing - if I were you I'd ask your friends to come round when he's not there. You'll have more privacy.

Aria999 · 08/06/2018 22:16

Yes agree look into the financial situation so you know what your options are. Think about what other sources of support you have (any family or friends that could help with childcare for example). Then maybe try talk to him about it. 'Are you happy in this relationship at the moment DH? Because to be honest I'm starting to feel it's not working for me'.

itsbetterthanabox · 08/06/2018 22:26

He has to get a proper job. Obviously the business isn't working so he can look for regular permanent work instead. Then he'll be home more and can do his fair share.

Singlenotsingle · 08/06/2018 22:45

I don't think LTB is going to help, OP. You'd be on your own even more, and probably with financial difficulties as well. You aren't wrong to feel angry and resentful, but I can't see a solution atm. Maybe when the DC are a bit older, it'll be easier. It's always a nightmare when they're tiny because everything revolves around them. Be strong. Good luck.

category12 · 08/06/2018 23:04

Tbh I'd think long-term and make an exit plan - if things improve you won't have to use it, and if they stay the same/get worse, it's all in place. Things like knowing what you're entitled to, the legal and financial position, working on building yourself a support network even if it's mostly virtual, maintaining present friendships and rekindling lapsed ones.

I'd also make sure you have excellent contraception, because the chances are, if this is a power trip and he likes to have you trapped this way, he'll be keen to pressure you into another as soon as they're a bit older and you show any sign of having time to breathe.

springydaff · 09/06/2018 01:51

You say you think he wouldn't care if this situation killed you. I'd listen to that iiwy.

I had a similar instinct about my husband and it turned out I was uncannily accurate. It turned out I was in an abusive marriage. All you say would suggest you may well be in the same position I was.

Do you have access to his bank account/s? Do you know what he earns?

Monty27 · 09/06/2018 01:59

I know he's trying to save the finances but can he stretch to employing a cleaner and some childcare that he is not doing? He can't just absolve himself from contributing to the care of his family. And travelling can't run cheap.
Personally I think he should put you first. Confused

Time40 · 09/06/2018 02:01

Wow, he sounds vile. So sorry, OP. You need to get out of there.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 09/06/2018 03:01

He does sound vile, but you haven’t expressed what you yourself feel about the DC. Other than you didn’t want the last one

Blondebakingmumma · 09/06/2018 05:33

Do you have access to finances? I wonder if the business is doing so badly how he can afford to be taking so many trips away 🤔
You are worried that if you left him you’d have to cope with 3 chn under 3, aren’t you doing that already??

InfiniteSheldon · 09/06/2018 06:06

I'm so sorry but he's abusive. He's manipulated you, he gaslights you and he's probably lying to you. I also think you should get your ducks in a row, see a solicitor and prepare to divorce him. He's not helping now and trust me I've been there it can get worse. He sees the DC as solely your responsibility and sadly that means they are. I found being a single parent so much easier than constantly begging/fighting for help.

annandale · 09/06/2018 06:06

Bloody hell three children under 3??

I would try my very best to take the focus off him and look for support elsewhere since he is incapable of living up to what he signed up for. You do have some friends - could you start seeing them with the children? Even if you don't get a chance to talk much, just the presence of another adult is so bloody healing when the kids are tiny. I'm assuming you have no family support but if you have any family connections at all - cousin, niece? - try to make contact and start to rebuild your network? Could you squeeze in a chance to meet workmates for coffee before work, or have a longer lunchbreak one day? Anything to reduce your isolation?

L0UISA · 09/06/2018 06:12

I agree he sounds vile and suspect that he’s abusive .

You need an exit plan. Get copies of all money information and keep these out of the house. Starting saving some cash back from your weekly shops build your support network . Tell your trusted friends and family .

In the meantime get a cleaner . He will need to afford it as otherwise you will end up ill and he will have to give up his work or pay for childcare . A cleaner is a lot cheaper than that.

Do not give up your own job and on no account get pregnant. Get the implant or other long lasting and reliable method. Don’t tell your H.

bevelino · 09/06/2018 06:17

OP you have your hands full and need support, do you have family nearby or could your parents come and stay to give you a break?

WheelyCote · 09/06/2018 07:06

I think at the crux of this is that you've lost Faith in him

And who could blame ya, sounds really rough OPThanks

AdaArdor · 09/06/2018 08:10

It sounds like such a sad situation, I'm sorry you feel so unsupported. He seems almost grandiose in the way you describe him and the way he describes the business, almost like he's infantilising you, like you couldn't possibly understand his difficulties and you've got nothing to complain about. If nothing else, he's minimising your feelings and that is not what a partner should do.

Would you consider some counselling, either both together or even you on your own? What's not fully clear to me is, do you actually love him? If hypothetically you could get over the resentment, do you like the rest of your relationship? If you could get an apology or acknowledgment out of him? If yes, counselling might be the best first option. If no, I think it sounds like its time to leave. You're already struggling financially, you would do so if you were separated, but at least you wouldn't have to deal with his lack of support which is so toxic.

bluetrampolines · 09/06/2018 08:40

My stbxh was like that. I threw him out in the end. Hed sabotage any attempt for me to be involved in planning and achieving the 'bigger picture'. He was a selfish liar. Im sorry but i reckon your is too. I had 3 under 3 and wasnt working. They are at his right now. I dont like it but i am in my tidy house and have 48 hours to myself. Ive never regretted throwing out my stbxh and his fake future promises.

Paperdoll16 · 09/06/2018 08:53

Messaging in the day and calls in the evenings? That reads like he's never there. Where does he stay?

Labradoodliedoodoo · 09/06/2018 09:00

Does he work away? Sleep away?

Thinkingofausername1 · 09/06/2018 17:41

From a sufferer of a chronic illness, I take my hat of to you for putting up with this idiot of a husband, and having so much other responsibility to deal with too!
He made a promise to you that he hasn't kept, it sounds to me like he wants to control you, because of your illness and keeping you at home with the children is the best way. However, it sounds like you are strong and determined and I think you would feel far happier on your own.

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