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Is he stalling on getting married or just does not want to ever get married...?

105 replies

MissesEG · 01/06/2018 21:27

Right, okay.
Been with OH for three years and relationship has it’s ups and downs. I have Borderline Personality Disorder which can create some of the ‘downs’ for us.
Basically, very early on in relationship we moved in together, and I brought along my 8 yo DS who partner got along famously with.
There were many emotional talks about how wonderful we are as a family and how he can’t wait to give me his last name, have babies of our own etc.
Three years down the line and we’ve had a dreadful conversation whereby I pretty much said I’m ready to try for our first child and he totally shot me down. Not even ‘I’m not ready yet.’ Just flat out ‘no way. Never.’ I’m 34 almost 35 and he is 32.
His ex of 12 years left because she had to trick him into a proposal and he told her for twelve years he didn’t ever want kids. Thinking she could change his mind, she waited until eventually she fell out of love with him. (And in love with someone else!)

Now... the baby thing I wasn’t totally sold on myself anyway. It might’ve been nice, but I have my son. I’m grateful I got to have one child.

But...I’ve inherited some money, about £75000. I offered to pay off our mortgage and obviously have a percentage share of the house in my name. Partner agreed. Now, as we’re about ready to sign forms etc I mentioned the fact I’ve bought a £5500 porch for his house and maybe that should be included in the legal deeds etc. He says ‘it’s not very nice is it, having to say what amounts were putting in, and what percentages etc.’ I said well the other option, a more romantic option maybe, I mentioned about getting married. That way everythings down the middle forever.
OH got annoyed and presumes I’m only saying this because I want 50% which hurt my feelings so much. His parents had an awful divorce and he makes comments about how getting married is all for a woman’s benefit.
It might be that my mental health is not great at the moment but I really worry that at 35 I’m accepting a relationship without marriage and kids. We spoke about both these issues very early on and were both on the fence about a baby, but both said of course we’d love to marry each other. He even said things like ‘you’re going to look amazing in a wedding dress,’ ‘we know we’re going to get married one day, might as well make it soon!’ That was two years ago!
Am I being a fool for thinking he still might propose one day. He always says ‘I’ve never said I Definately DONT want to get married.’ But I remind him at one stage in our early days he was broody and discussing baby names! And now that’s a definite no.

OP posts:
WhatsGoingOnEh · 03/06/2018 23:18

Have you looked into getting a mortgage for a flat for you and your son? Using your £75k as a deposit?

I'm pleased your DP has been honest with you about his commitment terror. Some men strung women along for DECADES.

Now you can make plans for you and your son. Please believe your DP about this; he's never going to marry you.

Cricrichan · 04/06/2018 02:14

You'll be able to get help towards your childcare costs if you work more days. You pay your way completely so don't feel bad that you're not contributing! He earns a lot more than you so should have been the one to fund his father's van and as it's his house, the porch should have been paid by him. Keep all the receipts because you'll be able to claim that back and may have a stake in the property if you've been paying the mortgage.

Gemini69 · 07/06/2018 09:04

Are you ok OP

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 07/06/2018 16:30

He is using you.

You are subsidizing his life just as much, if not more, as he is subsidizing your life. You should be paying a percentage reflecting the ratio comparing your respective incomes. That would be considerably different, wouldn’t it? The present setup is clearly in his favor.

He is using your niceness against you.
Sure it’s nice to help someone with transportation problems, so nice. You were manipulated into giving a gift. That was not your problem. Just because you can solve a problem doesn’t mean you should jump in and do so. That was using you.

He is very nice to your son. That is easy. That is probably costing him very very little. Is he paying sports fees? Equipment? Music lessons/instruments? Shoes?
He is casting an emotional net over your son to ensnare you. His connection with your son is a manipulation to use you. That is powerful leverage in his favor. You need to be dispationate about being able to ignore that. You are the adult making very grownup decisions that affect your son. Your son’s opinions are not mature enough to be relevant. Head over heart here.

You made a mistake in paying for the porch. It is a financial mistake to improve someone elses’s property. You have no way to get that value back. None. So it was a gift. Very generous.

But with a child, you can not afford to make these large outlays of money. Perhaps you thought your partner would be impressed with your commitment to the relationship by investing in his house. Perhaps you thought that gift would influence his perspective and result in a more meaningful commitment from him. That was a manipulation on your part, however unintended. And it did not work. Gifts are tricky. He is playing you for a fool.

Your inheritance is at stake here. I imagine once he relieves you of that, you won’t see him for dust. That is why he is careful to not marry. You are just his cash cow for now...good enough for now girl with extra perks.

No. You have got to learn to say “No”. Practice it. Out loud. No No No No No
Rehearsals every hour on the hour.

The advice from other posters is fantastic. I agree that you need to leave the relationship. He is pulling you down for his advantage.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 07/06/2018 16:49

To answer your original question, yes he is stalling. His previous girlfriend waited 12 years...learn from her experience. It is not anything about that was her and this is you...it is all about him.

He is leading you on with the references, implications, hints. It is future faking. Don’t fall for it. You are right to be looking at his actions, not superficial, lip service, words.

You need to set a serious goal of becoming financially independent. If you can do that with in the relationship, then great. But if not you need to move on. He has made it abundantly clear that he does not have your back.

MissyEmRain · 08/06/2018 09:59

I’m not okay at all. My mental health is very precarious and I’m in counselling for that at the moment.
I thought his man was The One and I don’t want to accept that he’s not. I’m finding this all very emotionally difficult. And to be honest, he finds my son hard work too (he is quite demanding but he is 8!). I don’t think he has my back when it comes to being a step parent either!! He tries really hard but as soon as my DS has a nightmare for example like he did last night, OH rants at me about how he’s too old to have nightmares etc and causes me so much stress. I don’t feel we’re on the same team At All!
You’re right about the fact I tried to buy the van and porch as ways of showing how committed I want to be, and that was really foolish. I’m giving him 100% if my wages every month despite him saying I needed to drop my days at work so I could be home more to look after DS, as mums need to be at home... I have the child benefit and child maintenance from my ex to live off every month.
I was so grateful to find someone who wasn’t abusive that I think I have sugar coated this relationship and made it something in my head that it isn’t

TatianaLarina · 08/06/2018 10:13

Why on earth would you be giving him 100% of your wages?

That’s at the very least taking advantage and potentially financial abuse.

The great news is that you have this inheritance to enable you to get away from this man, put down a deposit and use your wages to pay your own mortgage, rather than someone else’s.

MissyEmRain · 08/06/2018 10:24

I guess when I moved in I felt guilty that he was ‘taking on,’ me and my DS and as I only worked three days a week then, I wanted to contribute half of the mortgage and bills. (Altho he did say tbf I would need to pay 2/3rds of the overall costs of the home as me and my son cost so much)
Since I’ve gone down to two days a week, as we live far from my family so I can’t ask for childcare help three days a week, my wages have gone down but the mortgage and bills are still the same. But My OH encourage me to give up a day at work so I can be home for my DS and cook and clean... :-(
This is so awful. I feel like I’m being moulded into a stepford wife and that’s really not me, but my confidence is so low I don’t know what to do.
He moans that the house Isn’t clean enough despite fact I’ve been home all day, and gives me jobs to do like the garden, cleaning his cars etc to pay my way.
Writing all this out is making me very worried about what kind of relationship I have got involved in

Aussiebean · 08/06/2018 10:45

You have got involved in a relationship you can get out of.

I think you have got yourself an abusive partner there. Taking your full wages. Dictating to you how much to work. What you do with your money. Not a good role model for your son. Doesn’t treat him well (I am early 40s and had a couple of nightmares within the last month. Too old indeed. Arse!)

TatianaLarina · 08/06/2018 10:48

You do know what to do, you need to get out because he simply using/abusing you and that is not good for your mental health. You’re very vulnerable and I think you need support getting away from him.

Would moving nearer your family be an option?

MissyEmRain · 08/06/2018 10:59

I don’t have much family, mum, dad and sister. I don’t speak to my mum, but I am fairly close to my dad and sister.
I am quite a loner to be honest and lost a lot of friends when I was with my violent ex

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/06/2018 11:06

him saying I needed to drop my days at work so I could be home more to look after DS, as mums need to be at home

OMG Missy my jaw actually dropped when I read that. The financial stuff is bad enough (he's fleecing you! Please protect that money for you and your son), he won't commit to marrying you, he is setting the scene nicely for a lifetime of emotional abuse by controlling you and make you stay in your place (i.e. chained to the kitchen sink) - the house is 'never clean enough' - I'll bet he doesn't bother with his share of housework.

Please start making plans to leave - I'm sure your mental health will improve dramatically when it's you and your son together somewhere by yourselves, not being controlled by this man and his family of money grabbers.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/06/2018 11:07

Please reach out to your Dad and Sister.

Thespringsthething · 08/06/2018 11:30

You might feel a mess, but you sound very grounded and sensible to me, I think you know the truth but are finding it emotionally hard, which anyone would after having set up home with someone. He sounds awful, telling you not to work so much and taking your money whilst not wanting to get married or really do anything to secure the situation for everyone.

You aren't a team, and that may be contributing to your poorer mental health as well, as it's very destabilizing.

I wish you all the best with sorting this out, the advice on this thread has been excellent.

MissyEmRain · 08/06/2018 11:35

Thank you everyone who has taken the time to post on this thread, I feel absolutely dreadful and haven’t been out of bed today Since I got back from the school run as I cannot stop crying.
I know what I need to do and have emailed estate agents today

TatianaLarina · 08/06/2018 14:13

I’m sorry to hear that, but you know actually I think it’s a step forward to acknowledge that you’ve got yourself into something unhealthy. I understand it’s painful, but it’s a first step to towards getting out.

ShatnersWig · 08/06/2018 14:29

You are in an abusive relationship with a total fucking wanker. You absolutely must get out of it as soon as you can. If need be use some of your inheritance to rent somewhere while you sort things out and where you want to actually go and what you want to do. But get out now.

MistressDeeCee · 08/06/2018 14:36

He doesn't want you for the long-term. & you are trying to buy him with your money.

You are both wrong and you'd be minded to put yourself and most importantly your child before a man when it comes to securing your future

Gemini69 · 08/06/2018 16:19

MissyEmRain

Flowers Flowers

Flaminglingos · 09/06/2018 09:13

You are in sn emotional and financial abusive relationship with a coercive controller. Look into coercive controll, your current situation fits the bill. Get out as soon as you can and don't discuss your plans with him. He could get violent once he realises the cash cow is drying up & he could try to get you pregnant to tie you to him. Be very careful.

coercive control

Teenytinyvoice · 09/06/2018 09:38

You mention previous abusive relationships, have you ever done the Women’s Aid freedom programme? It’s often recommended for women who’s past relationships affect their view of their current ones.

You are accepting all kinds of unfair things in this relationship because your past makes you vulnerable. I can tell that you are a smart lady, and you have been duped into thinking this is all ok, and it’s not.

surereadyforchange · 09/06/2018 10:04

I really feel for you, the scales are falling from your eyes now and you are seeing what this man is really about. Although it really hurts to let go of what you thought the relationship could be, it's a good thing that you are seeing it for what it is now before you get in any deeper.
I have a son of a very similar age, and I was on benefits when i met my abusive ex. I know you must be feeling low about this to put it lightly, but try to remember that gutsy feeling you had when you were a feisty single mum. You can do this.
Your son may miss him at first but long term he will be so much better off and have a much healthier view of relationships.
You have been given that money- see it as a sign, your new start. For you and DS.
Don't wait. This man has literally shown you that you won't get what you need from him.
Get out now before he bleeds this money from you and make a better life for yourself and DS. There is life after abusive relationships trust me. You can do this. I say this as someone who had no family help, no money, was utterly blinded and desperate and got out, with the support of MN. I now have a new world after begging for scraps from a horrid man who couldn't stand to see me do well.
Please use that money to secure your future. You deserve it and so does DS.
Little steps. Xx

AsleepAllDay · 10/06/2018 17:33

I want to chime in with someone who has BPD and has struggled with a lack of treatment & many imploding relationships in life as a result:

Please please set a plan in motion to leave. Impulsivity and reckless spending can be a symptom/part of the disease & the sooner your money is tied away and not available to him, the easier it will be

You have been given the ticket to the next stage of your life. I know you will be feeling intense feelings that cycle from everything under the sun - doubt about your choices, worry about the future, wanting to be happy, feeling like a failure because your relationship is ending

But let me reassure you that this is not the end of the line for you. You will love again. You are worthy of more than this man gives you. You deserve independence & freedom to make your own choices and not have an emotionally stunted cockgoblin dictating the terms of your life

Do you have a therapist, counsellor? are you in treatment or on medication? Even talking about this with your GP can get the ball rolling. If you have family, please call them - even if you're not close. They will help you and it's okay to ask for help

You will mourn the relationship and what feels like the end of dreams you had for the future. That's okay. Breakups happen. You sound like you have had a lot going on in your life.

Your child and your family need you and they will be there for you as you rebuild. This man is sucking you dry & will not stop. He will never be happy. He will never make you happy. It feels far away now but contentment, peace and love are within your reach

Good luck OP

WheelyCote · 10/06/2018 17:48

Own place OP.

Think about taking a step back....give yourself some breathing room.

Don't invest in his house.....not yet anyway. When he can sell his place and you both buy a house together then maybe put your 75000 in

supersop60 · 10/06/2018 17:48

no no no no. Use the money to buy your own house. This man is wasting your time and will waste your money too, by the sound of it.