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Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 12:23

I'm struggling and I'm not sure if it's my fault, or because my marriage isn't great. DH and I have two DCs, 3 and 6. He is ex military and has found the transition to civilian life hard. It's been far harder for him to find a job he wanted, and spent about two years looking/ doing unpaid things that didn't lead to anything. For the past year he has had a job, with a 90 minute commute.

I supported us financially, with a new baby and toddler, during a move, during job searches etc. It was hard. I'd also had miscarriages and family bereavements between my DC.

Our plan was to work three days each. I am a professional, and trained for years. Because DH took a full time job at a considerable distance from here, I have done most of the childcare, home, dog etc. I work two days a week and am studying for a higher qualification on the other three days. My studying is meant to be a full time course, but my DH's salary is not enough for us to live on. If I was able to work more, I would earn a lot more than him, but I feel stuck. He tells me I cannot earn what he does, but I could easily, I just cannot while I am a housewife and student and main childcarer. It is hard to save when my earnings go on childcare. He tells me he doesn't spend any money on himself and I believe him. I think he is continuing in his job out of stubbornness, and a sense of pride.

He was not entirely clear about his earnings and had planned to support us. He also told me the job allowed flexible working, but that was wishful thinking on his part. He asked for it and was turned down. Whenever I have worked, I have paid for childcare. Even when he was at home looking for work, he told me he was 'not the childcare' and I feel bitter and resentful.

When he was job searching, he had an emotional affair by email and Skype with a woman he had studied with. He went briefly to therapy afterwards, at my insistence, and also had a good going porn habit, that upset me. That has all stopped. Our sex life is non-existent. He refused to have sex when I was pregnant, and it has never really recovered. I don't know if I love him any more. Mostly I feel trapped in a miserable situation. Everything I am trying to do gets squeezed into tiny windows of opportunity. I am exhausted.

He is exhausted too, commuting and applying for other jobs. He has not been shortlisted for any jobs in three years. Last year the children's Summer holidays were really hard. I can't type any more of this, it just makes me cry. I wonder if I am depressed and this is my fault? When I try to talk, he says I am making dramas. When I say I want to split up and that I have had enough, he says he is not going anywhere and that I will hurt the children.

We live somewhere quite isolated, as he had a job plan that required him to live here, but that didn't work out. I love our home and the children have a lovely school and friends, but I am lonely. We rarely go out. All my joy has gone. There are so many things I would like to do with my life and I feel so trapped.

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Adora10 · 22/05/2018 12:30

Does not sound like your fault at all, in fact you have been the strong one carrying him for a long time.

He sounds neither supportive or trustworthy, sorry but I'd not be 100% convinced the porn and the messaging other woman has stopped, men who do this rarely just stop.

He can't stop you forging a new life for yourself OP, the kids will be fine and happier if you are happier.

Just doesn't sound like he's much invested in actually having a relationship with you that involves being a team, being equal partners, doing nice things together, having goals together, it sounds very much like he does what he wants and you're the one holding all the plates in the air.

You only get one life OP.

GunpowderAndLead · 22/05/2018 12:38

You paid for childcare although he was at home at some points. That is crazy and unreasonable on his part.

Would life not be simplistic without him in the mix?

GunpowderAndLead · 22/05/2018 12:38

*easier

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 12:42

Yes, it would be easier. I've told him this and he treats me as if I am out of my mind. I feel as if he does what he wants and I hold everything else together. Thanks for helping me see that my sense of this not being a partnership is not just me.

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ravenmum · 22/05/2018 12:45

When I try to talk, he says I am making dramas. When I say I want to split up and that I have had enough, he says he is not going anywhere and that I will hurt the children.
He's saying that because he doesn't want you to go, but if you want to go, that's your choice, not his. Children get hurt by having an unpleasant home life, not just by divorce. Whatever happens, whether you leave or stay, they are not going to be living the life.

To make this kind of decision, you don't have to collect "bad points" until you have a certain number. You can simply want a good life.

MarieG10 · 22/05/2018 12:46

I think his failure to get a job he wants or aspired to is having a major effect on him, and as time goes by his CV will be increasingly unattractive except for basic roles. You don't mention (understandably) what his job is but is there any prospect for advancement?

None of this excuses his behaviour.

You do sound really down, although it doesn't sound like you marriage is at a complete end...but if it is then discuss it with him frankly and be honest

RainySeptember · 22/05/2018 12:58

It sounds as if you have done everything you can to accommodate him and, even with all of that support, he has still failed. The failure in itself would be forgivable I think, were it not for the fact that he is making you suffer unnecessarily.

You are already working full time (between paid employment and studying), and doing everything at home too. Why not start planning a future without him in it? You can call a halt at any time if you change your mind or he steps up.

In the meantime, as I see it, you can't afford to study full time, so your 2days working/3days studying must continue out of necessity until you complete your studies. After that, you will be able to work full time, earn more than him and have even more choices available to you.

For now, he can't do much more than work full time, and the long commute must make housework/childcare quite difficult during the week. Do you study from home? IME he will see those days as 'days off' so you need to set him straight. But he can do more at the weekends, and contribute to childcare costs, and look for jobs nearer to home. If he did all that though, would it be enough?

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 13:21

Thanks all. To answer the questions: his job was meant to be a 'stepping stone', but he is close to retirement age and I am sure that, together with relative inexperience in this field, is counting against him. He has not been put forward for any promotions, nor shortlisted for any similar/ senior roles close to home. He has looked for all kinds of jobs nearer to home, with just endless rejections, which is tough. He applies for jobs most weeks, has looked for consulting work, even looked abroad etc and that takes a lot of time.

He spends a lot of time with the children (and me) at the weekends, but he is not very efficient and incredibly forgetful/ absent minded (he has always been like this), so I end up cast in the role of reminder/ nag, which I don't like. Weekends feel very pressured.

I'm not able to give full time hours to my course, but I am on the full-time pathway and on track to finish this Summer. He thinks he has been a massive support because on some weekends he has taken the children to the park for several hours, but the laundry, his shirts, bedlinen, kit bags etc all are left to me. If a child is sick, it is the default that I will be at home, unless I make a huge fuss, and then he makes me feel terribly guilty about how he is missing his job and wasting his leave.

Rainy I thought it would be enough, but I feel so battered about by it all. The goalposts keep moving. Last September I said we needed to plan early for this Summer, and I ask every month how we will manage the Summer holidays (I am working and have a 20,000 word project to write for my course). He says, 'oh, by March I will have a plan,' or 'by May we will have sorted it out' and then when the time rolls round, he just looks sheepish.

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Adora10 · 22/05/2018 13:25

If a child is sick, it is the default that I will be at home, unless I make a huge fuss, and then he makes me feel terribly guilty about how he is missing his job and wasting his leave.

The more you write, the more shit he sounds; I would seriously consider getting a better life for yourself; he does not sound remotely interested in treating you as an equal. It's all about him and what he gets, he seems to have zero interest in making you happy, are you sure this man has your back OP because he is not sounding much use.

Cawfee · 22/05/2018 13:28

The thing that stood out for me is him saying “I’m not the childcare” well, yes mate, actually you are. They aren’t just yours OP. They are his responsibility too and if he wasn’t working then you “team up” and he does the kids to save the family the huge cost of childcare. I think joint marriage counselling is worth a try because right now he’s doing what he wants in a pseudo single bloke kind of way. You’ve done it all. Time for him to pony up. Are you happy living where you are? If not, move. Don’t take no for an answer. Time for you to get what you want now

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 13:46

I'm happy living here while the DC are at school, because it's a lovely school and a great community for them. Once they reach secondary age, I am less sure. It's far from all the people I am close to.

I'm not sure of the practicalities. I see a lawyer and then what? He refuses to go anywhere, and I don't want to leave the DC with him. Thanks for any advice.

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Typeractive · 22/05/2018 13:57

I think it's time you started planning for a future without him. What you have isn't a partnership and he appears to care very little for your happiness.

How about finishing your studies, going full time and then asking him to leave? If he refuses, you can get an occupation order.

And stop ironing his shirts!

Melliegrantfirstlady · 22/05/2018 14:03

Contact an armed forces charity. They can help with housing/moving costs/practical assistance.

Anything really

Your husband sounds miserable and seems very critical of you.

Does he help you financially?

There is funding for ex personnel to re-train

Move back near your family

If he doesn’t like it he can live in the sticks

Cawfee · 22/05/2018 14:09

See the lawyer and they will give you what your options are if he refuses to move.

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 14:12

He was retrained by forces before he left and cannot get a job in that field. They say keep applying for jobs.

He doesn't meet criteria for other help from them. He was assessed for therapy and turned down as he doesn't have a diagnosable condition, just 'adjustments disorder'. Sorry to sound negative, but I feel I've explored so many avenues.

I've asked him to leave and he is quite boorish and says I'm destroying everything, he won't let me do that, he won't go anywhere. What's an occupation order please?

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Adora10 · 22/05/2018 14:13

Again, it's all about him; what he wants and you have to go along with it regardless! Ridiculous OP, go get informed about your rights if you did separate, he can't force you to stay with him.

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 14:14

He's said that nobody could make him move out. From what I've read online that seems true.

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Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 14:15

He can't force me to stay with him, but if he won't leave and I don't want to leave the DC, what can I do? I honestly can't see how I can resolve it.

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Typeractive · 22/05/2018 14:16

You don't have to get his agreement to leave the relationship, OP.

You are not responsible for his happiness: he is. Your only responsibilities are to yourself and the DC.

Melliegrantfirstlady · 22/05/2018 14:20

You can contact the royal British legion?

There are so many great armed forces charities that will help you with this. From the first steps and see you through to the last steps.

You need to look for accommodation for a start i your chosen area

Is your house rented or owned. If owned is there much equity in it?

What happened to his pension payment lump sum?

Adora10 · 22/05/2018 14:21

You can resolve it if you want to; you are married therefore you go get information about how to go for a divorce; if you own your property, it gets sold and you split any profit.

Where is your family, can they not help you?

Just because he says no doesn't mean you have to go along with it, not saying it's going to be easy because it won't be but surely it would temporary until you were set up yourself somewhere; kids adapt, they can change schools if need be; it's either that or expect more of the same OP, it's your life, you are not here to service his.

Alicatz66 · 22/05/2018 17:27

Can I ask if there is a large age gap between you and your husband ? X

RainySeptember · 22/05/2018 17:50

Op, you're not the first person trying to divorce a spouse who won't move out.

It's not easy because it will involve living under the same roof whilst separated, but it can be done and your first step is to see a solicitor. I can't tell you how much happier I felt after getting legal advice. There is a solution, and a solicitor will talk you through it.

The most likely is that the house will have to be sold to release enough equity for you both to put down a deposit somewhere. You may be allowed a few years in the house as your dc are young but that will depend on whether your dh can house himself without it being sold; the courts won't see him homeless.

Once you're working full time, earning a decent salary, with half of the equity at least, you'd be able to buy or rent somewhere by yourself wouldn't you?

Wildestflower · 22/05/2018 18:37

Yes, I'd be ok financially on my own in the long run. Thanks for all the advice.

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Maelstrop · 22/05/2018 22:05

Please talk to a solicitor about an occupation order. Seriously, do you want to be with him for the next 20 years?

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