Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Am I overreacting?

15 replies

FailingTheBoyfriendExam · 19/05/2018 14:09

This is likely to be long, but I'm interested in objective opinions. I will try to give an unbiased opinion.

First, I will say that I have recently been made aware that I have some of the traits of Aspergers. I have not yet been diagnosed, and it may be that I am not diagnosed with it - but the fact remains that I do have some symptoms. Mostly this affects my social skills, but also means that if I don't want to do something the way I say no 'shuts the conversation down' - and this certainly will be some of the cause of our issues.

G/f and I met almost a year ago. From the start it was pretty volatile but for various reasons it didn't end. It felt to me like she complained about everything, and often seemed to want to argue for the sake of arguing - even over things that most people would just think 'that's a bit annoying', shrug off and carry on. However, I now believe part of that was probably due to her frustration with some aspects of my personality.

Recently (last few months) things have been much better. We do have disagreements but they are much less of an issue and much shorter. The physical side is something we've both always agreed is great, and the emotional side was beginning to catch up. She believes that we should get engaged, or at least move in together. I'm not ready for those things - I'll explain why - but we have been spending almost every evening together at hers as a step towards me moving in at some point.
But......

I have always felt slightly wary, because of her ex. Need not even the most recent ex - although there have been issues with that one too - they split up 3 or 4 years ago. I believe they were together for about 8 years. Not married, no kids together - but both had kids that were about 8 when they meet and hence were like step children.
When we started going out, they saw a lot of each other. Virtually every day. He texted her good night / good morning. She admitted he was still on love with her and wanted her back. She also told me that the night we met, he had been texting her because he'd been driving past her house several times during the evening and since her car wasn't there, asking where she was.

About a month into our relationship, he admitted to her that he'd been hiding the other side of the garden fence while we were outside. He made threats against me and said he would damage my car. Apparently, he also assaulted her - enough that she called the police.
He was taken to court (November) but not found guilty. However she did get a restraining order which she wanted. She hadn't talked to him for a few months before that, and continued to have virtually no contact with him - just the odd message through her daughter.
However, during this time he sent her Christmas presents (hundreds of pounds worth), flowers when she was ill, flowers for valentine's etc. She said she couldn't reject them because they were all sent as if they came from his son, and she didn't want to upset the son....

About 2 months ago, she started having contact with him again, and started playing golf with him. I got increasingly stressed about it and we had a conversation about it around 4 weeks ago. During this, I said that he had to stop behaving as if he were her boyfriend. The presents, flowers etc had to stop. She said she understood. She would tell him that their contact was purely for golf, no more morning / evening texts etc. Purely golf partners. She would only ever meet him in public places.

A couple of weeks ago, I was busy on the Saturday and she was supposed to be playing golf with him. That didn't happen - he ended up at her house (I kind of accept the reason) and stayed for their BBQ. I was only invited over later.

Yesterday was his birthday. I fully expected her to find an excuse not to see me. At the start of the week she said his son was visiting but because the ex was working, she'd be taking the son out for dinner. I pointed out it was a coincidence that it was her ex's birthday. She said she thought that was today, she always gets the dates mixed up and anyway he wasn't going to be there, he was working etc etc.
Last night she called me on the way home - surprise surprise, he got out of work early. So it was him, her, her daughter and his son having a nice birthday meal. And yes, she did buy him a present.

We fell out about it and have pretty much split up unless we decide to try again (which basically means I accept their relationship).

Her view : they are just friends. She doesn't feel anything romantic for him, and she can't control how he feels (although she claims he's moving on now). Plenty of people are friends with ex's. Taking a friend out for dinner for their birthday is normal. Buying a friend a present is normal. Having contact when you brought your kids up together is normal. She would never cheat on me (from a purely physical perspective, I believe this). I am controlling and blackmailing because I'm saying that I don't accept their relationship and will split up with her because of it.
She seems to think that everything is OK as long as she doesn't sleep with him.

My view: Plenty of people are friends with their ex's - but plenty of people's ex's are not obsessed with them, threatened violence to their partner, assaulted them and have restraining orders in place. Wanting to continue being friends after all that makes me question why, and just how important he really is. Plus, agreeing the presents etc should stop and then buying him one is crossing a line. The contact has increased very quickly and I believe it will soon be back to how it was in the beginning.
All of this means I never really trust her - and that means I would be reluctant to make life changes.

Apart from the ex, everything was really getting good. It's an odd situation - we clearly have differences and we have had issues which would cause many people to split up - but we genuinely seem to have solved most of them and it does make me wonder if we really could be very good together. Apart from this one.

So am I overreacting and controlling? Given that I am sure they won't ever sleep together or even be a couple again - am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

OP posts:
FailingTheBoyfriendExam · 19/05/2018 14:10

Oh, for context we're both late 40s.

OP posts:
user1498854363 · 19/05/2018 14:18

Op it doesn’t sound like she is putting you first? Why is she prioritising an ex over her current bf? Any committed partner would be taking your thoughts into account (esp if they are reasonable, which yrs sound).

Why is she having contact with someone who she has a restraining order against? Are they not breaching the order?

Ex’s behaviour is not ok

Get out! This woman is not for you. She wants something different than you do. First years should be fun, laughter, easy times....

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 19/05/2018 14:21

It all sounds a bit too close for comfort to me. She’s obviously conflicted, having had a restraining order and now spending time with him and the kids like they’re family. I understand that it must be hard when you’ve grown close to each other’s children to just cut off contact with them, but she is showing you no respect at all by continuing this overly familiar contact under the guise of being a step mum to his dc.

Honestly if I were you I’d leave and let them get on with it. She’s probably still in love with him too, or at the very least enjoying that he’s in love with her and playing you both.

My DP is still too close to his ex for my liking, but they do have shared DCs together - if he was letting her dictate his life this much when they weren’t even proper coparents I’d have bailed a long time ago.

Do yourself a favour and find someone with some boundaries - I imagine with ASD that is even more important than ever.

FailingTheBoyfriendExam · 19/05/2018 14:23

*user

Yes, technically they are breaching the order. Overall, it's probably not fair to say she prioritises him over me. But her view is : you will not tell me who I can be friends with. (Which is fair enough as a general point).

I think what annoys me most is that when we talked about 4 weeks ago, she did seem to take my concerns into account. But now she has a rather different memory of that conversation and my concerns are simply me being 'controlling'.

OP posts:
category12 · 19/05/2018 14:24

Seems complex between them. You're best leaving them to it.

Thingsdogetbetter · 19/05/2018 14:32

You are not over reacting! This is a bloody mess. Yes, lots of people are friends with exs. But not the one's that have assaulted them. Not the one's that you have to get a restraining order on. Not the one's that still love you and are determined to get you back. Not the one's you can't set boundaries with and end up breaking promises you made to present bf for. Not the one's where you end up hurting present bf by increasing contact with ex and having family birthday dinners with. I mean who chooses a golf partner that has assaulted you?
It's been less that a year and you've already had issues that would have split many other people up? Sounds like mega hard work without even factoring in her codependence with violent, stalking obsessed ex! Her emotional attachment to him is stronger than her attachment to you. She has said her relationship with him is more important then hers with you by choosing him over you. She is saying she is going to see him regardless of whether you split up with her or not. Almost daring you too. She has crossed even line she put in the sand with this guy, I'd be very surprised if the no sex line doesn't get crossed eventually too.

HarmlessChap · 19/05/2018 14:40

Move on, she's not being reasonable it won't end well.

She's enjoying the attention and really its out of order to maintain a friendship with someone who has made threats against their partner.

ByeMF · 19/05/2018 15:08

OP run. Then run a bit more. She is utterly selfish and appears to be relishing in his attention. Don't put up with this nonsense from either of them leave them to their self destructive drama. If neither of them are worried about dragging their respective kids into it, they're not going to worry about you. I am sorry, but she's not being nice and it's not worth it.

Aprilmightbemynewname · 19/05/2018 15:16

Her need to have him continually stroking her ego means she isn't committed to a relationship with you imo.
Walk away, you don't need this drama.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 19/05/2018 15:33

It's not blackmail or controlling to say that what she does affects you and that you will make decisions based on how you feel.

It would be controlling to threaten to leave if she doesn't change but actually don't leave, just threaten in order to try to change her.

I think you should leave. You do not sound as important to her as restraining order guy.

HazelBite · 19/05/2018 16:18

I think the ex (after the restraining order) has wound down his "attentions" towards her, as it wasn't getting him anywhere.
My feeling is he is very slowly, gently wheedling his way back in (softly. softly catchee monkey style) It's not, in my opinion, ever going to stop, she is currently being lulled into a false sense of security, thinks he is appearing okay and things are currently calm on the surface of it and she would rather keep the relationship on a friendly footing for the sake of the dcs involved.

You could (if you choose) play the long game and wait for the ex to slowly ramp it up and start to behave badly or get out now and show her that you will not have the ex calling the tunes in your relationship.
The big question is do you think in the future she is likely to develop romantic feelings towards him or is she adamant that she will always keep the relationship platonic?

FailingTheBoyfriendExam · 19/05/2018 16:28

*Hazelbite:

Yes, that's exactly what I think is happening and I've told her that. Her answer is simply : if he starts behaving badly again I will simply stop having contact with him.

It's worth mentioning that the DCs are pretty much adults now - 20 / 18 so aren't really the cause of anything as such. She does say that he is like a father to her daughter though and hence they 'co-parent'.

I am mostly sure she won't develop romantic feelings for him, but then I don't really understand why she even has a social relationship with him given the history.

OP posts:
Barbaro · 19/05/2018 17:06

She's continuing to be friends with someone who assaulted her fairly recently?

Wall away and leave her to it. She's happy enough doing that, so leave her to her mess and remind her when she comes crawling back to you that she chose him.

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 19/05/2018 17:47

Well at 18/20 they certainly don’t need to be facilitating the dcs’ relationship with the other one anyway. The only reason they are still involved, playing golf etc is because they like each other. The only reason a woman would ‘like’ someone who has assaulted them to the point of getting a restraining order is codependency/some sort of Stockholm syndrome. Without some overwhelming ‘love’ to counter his shitty behaviour she would be keeping well away.

Do yourself a favour here - she’s not that into you. That’s not to say she can’t have male friends, but an ex with such history now being dressed up as a golf buddy, it stinks.

NotTheFordType · 19/05/2018 18:29

Walk away OP, she's mugging you off.

Of course it's not controlling to say to someone, "This is a guy who threatened to hurt me and/or damage my car, and who assaulted you. I'm not happy with you being friendly to him and playing with his golf balls."

New posts on this thread. Refresh page