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Shutting down conversations with a difficult colleague

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Antst · 07/05/2018 21:40

I would appreciate advice on how to shut down conversation at work with someone who is likely to blow up without contacting management.

I have been supporting a severely depressed younger colleague. The depression seems to be under control, but his personality has changed. We used to have a great friendship, but he started blowing up at me for what (to me) seem to be trivial reasons. For example, I asked him if he could let me know when he can't make an appointment (instead of letting me wait around for hours several times in a row).

At first I gave him a pass because he doesn't have much experience of a social interaction. But I've recently realized that we are now in a pattern where he blows up, then freezes me out for days - weeks, then approaches me and talks like everything is normal. However, he has a resentment of previous situations that is coming out as nastier and nastier blow-ups. I'm sick of it. I'm also worried that I'm letting myself be treated this way because my father was violent and very unpleasant and I've always lectured myself to avoid people like that.

Last week, there was the worst blow-up of all. Part of what he said was that if I ever talked to him again, he would report me. That shocked some sense into me. I think he would do it and he'd say anything (I now realize that he has done it about other people who I perviously thought wronged him). I have worked very hard for my career and can't be in this situation anymore.

I asked once before how to deal with this here and someone had great adviceleave it to the managers. However, one of the managerssomeone in a position to know everyone--has taken him under her wing and I don't feel at all comfortable about approaching her. In fact, she has been quite unprofessional, hinting that I must have inappropriate intentions towards him (I don't at all and he is gay).

Today, my friend came into the office and started chatting. I ignored him and felt immature and ridiculous, but didn't know what else to do to break the pattern. The last thing he said to me during the blow-up was that I should never speak to him again. I doubt he remembers saying that and if reminded, he'd blow up again. I know that there's a chance he will blow up no matter what I say, but is there something low-key that I can say that would be less likely to lead to problems? What about "look, I think we said what we had to say already; let's just stick to communicating through a counselor if anything else needs to be said." We don't need to communicate about our work. I feel silly about asking, but if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.

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mumonashoestring · 07/05/2018 21:43

Tbh it sounds to me like he's worked out that you're not going to shout back or report him and he's using you as a punchbag. It's completely unacceptable behaviour and you should speak to your manager about the impact it's having on you. Do you have a HR department?

IrenetheQuaint · 07/05/2018 21:49

It sounds like you need to develop some boundaries asap. Why were you waiting around for him for hours?

I wouldn't ignore him - that sounds potentially unprofessional. Can you just respond politely and avoid engaging further? What would happen if you tried that approach?

Disquieted1 · 07/05/2018 21:51

I used to work with someone like this and dreaded going into work because I never knew what emotional state he would be in. He was very unprofessional and couldn't leave his problems at home. Of course management did nothing: he had informed them of his depression and they were afraid to act.

I had no answers and ended up asking for a transfer to another department. I shouldn't have had to dread going into work because of this guy's tantrums but had no support.
Can you ask to be put on a different shift pattern or something?

greendale17 · 07/05/2018 21:54

You need to report his behaviour now before he gets in there first

Antst · 07/05/2018 22:06

Irene, I agree with you about boundaries. At the time, he had just started feeling a bit better after his depressive episode. That's why I previously hadn't said anything when he hadn't shown up for something and why I felt it was OK to say something from that point on.

As for responding back politely, he keeps pushing it. Today, I did respond back after he repeated himself. Then he kept talking as though everything was normal. I do think that something needs to be done or said or there will be yet another meltdown pattern.

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Antst · 07/05/2018 22:10

Disquieted1, your situation sounds very similar to mine!

mumonashoestring, that's good advice. Our HR department is the woman I mentioned who is his number one fan. My boss just retired, but will be around. I'll officially have a different boss, but won't interact with him much and don't know him well. I think I'll take your advice and talk to my retired boss. At least I know he'll support me.

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Jonbb · 07/05/2018 22:13

Sorry x, I'm on a tight deadline, can we talk later.
Sorry x, I've go a splitting headache, can't talk now.
Sorry x, I've got awful period pains can we talk another time.
Sorry x, I'm desperate for the loo, can we talk later and get up and go to the loo.
Sorry x, I'm having a bad day, can we talk another day.
My partner and I have an arrangement if I need rescuing, I text and he calls. That works too.
And keep repeating.

HollowTalk · 07/05/2018 23:06

You need to get in fast and report this. He could do an incredible amount of damage, otherwise.

NotTheFordType · 07/05/2018 23:14

Hope you don't work at Brighton Uni.

www.theargus.co.uk/news/15628270.University_worker_accused_of_murdering_boss/

Inappropriate conversations need to be shut down swiftly and firmly, without the usual fudging that women have been taught. (Oh I'd love to talk but my boyfriend wouldn't like it! Oh we could definitely date but the company we work for forbids relationships between employees !)

"I don't want to date you. We are not suited" covers every possible angle.

nittynotty · 07/05/2018 23:24

hmm ... he sounds unhinged.

I would be careful.

He doesn't sound depressed to me, he sounds manipulative and 'psycho'. I might be wrong. But its interesting he's got his Manager to think he's the bees knees Hmm. He's got you where he wants you ...

You've got three options:

  1. be polite/professional. possibly would work v short term. but I think these things can escalate v quickly unless you become 100% conciliatory doormat. Perhaps you could do that as a short-term strategy. I doubt it would work long term (still you could use that time to get a new job or a transfer).
  1. take it to management. fight your corner. but now its gone this far, quite stressful for you.
  1. look for a new job. the new management sound awful too so is there even a future there.

Sorry you are experiencing this OP, its really shit when you have these nasty little shit-stirrers and psychos at work Flowers.

nittynotty · 07/05/2018 23:39

and ... it occurs to me these kind of people always seem to find the sensitive, sympathetic types to vent their power games/spleen on. speaking from my experience perhaps, I don't know if thats yours.

thefourgp · 08/05/2018 00:52

Keep a diary of it all. Write down your conversations/interactions. Be polite but speak with him as little as possible. Jonbb had the right idea above. Just say ‘excuse me but I have to get this report completed’ etc and don’t get dragged into any more of his sad tales of woe or self created drama. If it goes to HR or he complains about you it’s best to have this. Do not tell anyone else you work with including him that you are keeping a diary about his behaviour. I’m having to do this re my ex-DH.

Antst · 08/05/2018 06:41

Thanks everyone. I'll use use Jonbb's suggestions and will keep a diary.

nittynotty, yes, I am quite worried about what he might do. He doesn't seem to have limits. Don't get me wrong; I'm not afraid that he'll get violent, but I do agree that he's very manipulative and this could easily escalate even further.

He has been quite socially isolated and although I believe 100% that he has problems with depression, I think he also knows that he can use that as a social lubricant to get people sympathetic and on his side when he is having problems with others.

As I mentioned, the manager he is friends basically accused me of being a dirty old lady! She is dating someone thirty years younger (younger than my friend). That's none of my business, of course--she can do what she likes. But I do get the impression from clear comments she has made that she may be interested in my friend and that she sees me as competition. That said, something my friend said during the last blow-up made me realize that he has probably helped to give her this impression. This realization of how manipulative and damaging he can be is why I've written in here. I know I have to be extremely careful here.

I have been 100% conciliatory until now and it hasn't worked. Yes, you're right--I'm a bit of a do-gooder. My job involves frequent moving and there are high rates of depression so I have always felt like people need to be helped. I will not be getting so involved in future though!

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IRefuseToAgree · 08/05/2018 08:28

He sounds awful. It sounds like you have been a bit motherly towards him. I'd just step right back and be more professional.

bonnyshide · 08/05/2018 09:04

Step right back, be only professional.

No conversations about anything if a personal nature, only discuss work.

It strikes me that you keep referring to him as your 'friend' and also that you seem to know a lot of personal information about your colleagues. The comment about your manager seeing you as competition is particularly worrying.

I think the professional line has been crossed here, you need to stop seeing these people as friends, you all seem to have unusual relationships for the work place.

Also, you need to keep a diary and record of every single incident (when he is late for an appointment, loses his temper, makes threats etc.)

It seems he is a loose cannon and is 'gearing up' to report you and get you into trouble, he sounds pretty toxic.

Antst · 08/05/2018 11:13

bonnyshide, I agree with you.

It is the kind of profession and workplace where people tend to have more personal interaction than in many workplaces. The hours are long and there are many trips and other work situations that involve living together.

That said, I'm used to a US working culture where (I think) the lines between work and personal life tend to be more rigid. Because of this and because of having seen the consequences of other people's situations, I've always been careful to be very professional. I thought very hard before becoming this guy's support--I did ask myself what might happen if something went wrong, but obviously not hard enough. I do think I've been silly and naive and it's just an awful stress. Thanks everyone again.

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