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Am I in the wrong for withdrawing sex from DP ?

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betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 22:17

Hello !

Had a bit of an disagreement with DP and now his not talking to me.

I’m 24, DP is 25 going onto 26 and we have a DS who is 8.

Two years ago, I left DP as the relationship wasn’t working out, the arguments were constant and weren’t good, it was affecting DS and I thought we need to break this off and have a break. I moved out, and now DS and I live with my sister temporarily.

For the past year or so, DS relationship with his dad (DP) has been inconsistent, he said it’s because his working, but I feel it’s just an excuse, he hasn’t been seeing DS regularly or not at all ! There was a period where we didn’t hear from him or see him for the past 6 months and recently, where we didn’t hear from him for 3 months (he said it’s because his working and he didn’t like the way I would be talking to him over the phone Confused).

During that period anyway, DS dad (DP) moved houses, and now lives about an hour and a half (or more !) away. When we did hear from DS dad occasionally, he would ask me to bring DS over, I would say “No” because “1). Everytime, he asks to bring DS over, it always results in him wanting Sex, when I don’t give him sex, he gets upset” and “2). Because of number 1’s reason, he can pick up DS from my sisters house”. I don’t know if I’m being unfair but as a result, he comes with an excuse (“ I have no travel money to travel all the way to you guys”), gets upset and doesn’t pick up DS.

Today, DS dad (DP) calls me and we discuss things, he asks for things to go back to they way they were, move in with him and I had a feeling that the true intention of the phone call was for us (me) to go to his house and have sex. Anyway, we are conversing, I tell him that “I need to build my trust with him again, I want him to see DS regularly/ ok fine your working but see him regularly every two weeks”.

The conversation moves on from discussing about holidays and I’m thinking, maybe all of us going on holiday may resolve things, we can talk more in depth about our relationship and so forth. DS dad (DP) gets excited, is looking at sites to book hotels, go to places etc and then he says “Oh, I need to tell my job what days I need to book off for this holiday of ours, why don’t you and DS, come over to mine and we can discuss things”. I immediantly said “No” as I know us visiting his house will just result in sex. I told DS dad “ Look, I don’t think it’s a good idea, you know what’s going to happen, I’m not on any type of contraception (had the coil removed) and don’t want to risk getting pregnant since I will be starting my Masters in the new academic term”.

DS dad whinges and tells me “Why ? Nothing is going to happen, we would just be discussing holidays and if we do end up having sex, I have condoms”. I again said “No, I don’t want to risk it, we can arrange holidays in our own time, we don’t have to be together”. He then replies Why are you being like this ? Why can’t you just relax and come to my house”. I told him “To be honest, I don’t trust you, I want you to be committed to us, I want you to see DS regularly, we didn’t hear from you for 6 months and recently 3 months gone, I don’t want to be made a fool, I didn’t know what you were up to, you could even had a girl friend at a time that I didn’t know about”.

He then gets upset and tells me “Ok, just forget the holiday, I’m not bothered anymore”. We are still conversing on the phone but the tone changes as his clearly upset.

We haven’t had sex in a long while, but am I being unreasonable in my demands ? I just felt a bit guilty.

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Wolfiefan · 28/04/2018 22:55

You've split up due to constant arguments?
Shagging won't solve that.
I'm guessing you continued to sleep together after splitting and he now thinks he can get it whenever he likes?

PookieDo · 28/04/2018 22:56

The whole sex thing is clouding the issue and your judgement I think that it is completely NOT any of the issues you have described at all, because this is much more of a mess than just the sex. Do you not feel like you are going round and round in circles with this man and this subject meanwhile nothing ever changes... and according to him it appears to all be your fault because of the sex?

betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 22:56

But if he does show more commitment to his son, then you will have sex with him?

If he shows more commitment, We would work things out, think about the future, move back in with him, and all what comes within a relationship.

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TemptressofWaikiki · 28/04/2018 22:56

Wow! My brain hurts reading this!

betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 22:58

Pookie Your right, he makes it about sex, which makes me feel it’s the main issue.

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PookieDo · 28/04/2018 22:58

But he’s had 2 years to give you commitment and he hasn’t. What makes you think he will ever change?
He is distracting you with the sex. Then he doesn’t have to answer any of these big questions you have

I promise you if you went on holiday with him he would say anything you want to hear, have sex with you then come home and go back to his easy going care free life. The one he has without you

PookieDo · 28/04/2018 23:01

Sex is not the main issue
Sex is just something he wants. You want something completely different to what he wants, you want a family.
By keep making it about the sex he’s just blaming you for it not working out and it’s obviously easy for him to guilt you into believing it. While you are stuck in this power struggle about the sex, your little boy is in the middle of this. If that isn’t enough to make him treat you right then 24 hour a day sex wouldn’t either

AJPTaylor · 28/04/2018 23:01

Im sure you are an intelligent woman. This is all messed up though.
Do you want to reconcile for any reason other than your son?

Idontdowindows · 28/04/2018 23:01

Nah, he just thinks you're easy sex on tap and he's banking that you want him to have a relationship with his son, so you'll be a mug, bring the boy over and then he can pester you for sex again.

Lostforagoodname · 28/04/2018 23:04

How much damage do you think this is going to do to your child

Bekabeech · 28/04/2018 23:05

If you are not together then why would you have sex with him?

His relationship with his son should be totally separate from his nonrelationship with you.

You don't have to have sex with anyone you don't want to. Maybe you need counselling to get that straight in your mind.

He can either see his son alone or in a public place or supervised by someone other than you. And as he moved away he should be doing the travelling.

If you want sex I'd recommend almost anyone over him. But get your head sorted before any serious relationships.

SimonBridges · 28/04/2018 23:07

Is he your partner or not? Do you want a relationship with him?
If you have an 8 year old together then I’m guessing you got together when you were very young and therefore haven’t had the chance to have a serious relationship with anyone else. This is not normal. No man should ever demand sex. Ever.

He seems to want to have his cake and eat it.

MMmomDD · 28/04/2018 23:10

OP - you are so, so young and have your whole life before you.
You have a plan, and about to study...

This man is in your past. There is NO future family with him, NO moving back in, NO resolving anything you haven’t resolved in the two years since you split.

He got a house an 1.5 from you and his son. He WANTED to have the distance and move on.
And having occasional sex with you doesn’t change anything.

OP - just listen to the many women here - most of us are much older than you and have lived and seen so many things.
You don’t have a partner. You have a pathetic Ex.

Live your life!

ReanimatedSGB · 28/04/2018 23:12

You're 24. You got pregnant by this useless man at 16. You've barely had a chance to work out who you are and what you want. Have you anyone around you to talk to, or to get support and kindness from?
You do not have to let this man stick his dick in you. He's horrible. The fact that you are scared of going to his house because you don't want him to stick his dick in you, but know that he will do so if he chooses to, is horrible. He has no right to have sex on you against your wishes.

You need to cut him off and cut him out of your life as much as possible, but you are going to need help and support to do this, because he's clearly convinced you that he owns you. And it sounds like no one else in your life ever told you that you don't have to put up with this sort of shitty treatment. Maybe Women's Aid could help or at least steer you in the right direction.

betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 23:12

Lost I agree. I don’t want to confuse DS. I told him this, I told him that this isn’t fair on him. I don’t know why I got sucked into the holiday business. I also told him when he moved 2 hours away, that he wasn’t thinking about DS.

I think I just need to move on.

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SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/04/2018 23:12

This man is not in any sense your DP.

PringlesPirate · 28/04/2018 23:12

Why do you still call him your partner?

You left him two years ago. He went off the radar for about 9 months.

You need to start setting some boundaries. He’s shown you time and again that he cannot commit to you or your ds.

Your ds is your number one. Make exP pay maintenance and stop allowing him to dictate so much of your life and start putting permanent things in place. For your DS’s well-being as well as yours.

Fromage · 28/04/2018 23:13

Your son's father sometimes doesn't contact you or his son for months at a time, he's moved an hour and a half away, and only contacts you to whinge for sex. When you say you won't bring your son to his house, because you will end up having sex with him, he then doesn't bother to see his son. You can't work out if you're being unfair in refusing to take your son to his father's (which you don't want to do because of the sex-whingeing/you will give in and have sex) and you feel a bit guilty that your son's father gets upset when you refuse to have sex with him.

  1. He has no interest in his son, he is a shit dad, your son is better off with no dad than a role model who treats women as fuck toys.
  2. You can't afford to be in a relationship with such a failure of a human being when you have children. Even if you have had a child with the failure of a human. Children need good role models.
  3. The phrase we use for when someone is repeatedly asking for sex despite the other party saying no is "sexual harrassment." This is what this man is doing.
  4. He has no interest in a relationship with you, he just wants to fuck you. And he thinks that bleating and sulking is going to make you give in - not turn you on, he's oblivious to that concept, he just sees you as the Deliveroo of vaginas. You lucky big thing.
betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 23:16

Reani Your right, he has been like this since we were very. Demanding sex 24/7 , it’s been going on for years, if I ever refused, he would put up a strop. I guess he hasn’t change. At the time, I thought this was normal.

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Wolfiefan · 28/04/2018 23:18

Nope. Not normal. Controlling and abusive.
And so unattractive. Sulking for sex? Such an utter turn off.

Fromage · 28/04/2018 23:19

He is not normal. He is a sad pathetic failure of a man who doesn't care about his child. He will not change.

You and your son both deserve better.

Let him strop.

Nanny0gg · 28/04/2018 23:19

I think I just need to move on.

Indeed you do.

PrizeOik · 28/04/2018 23:19

This is a really silly situation op.

You had a baby with a guy who didn't want a baby. You split and he doesn't see the child.

If you bring the child to see him, he whinges for you to let him have sex with you.

He is your ex DP, your son's deadbeat dad. Don't drag the poor child to see a man who doesn't want him. Stop going to see your ex and if you do see him, stop entertaining sex chat. "Please don't speak like that to me, you are my ex and I am not interested in your sexually" rinse and repeat.

He's not your partner. He's an ex who would like a fuck from you. Please find your dignity and start protecting your son from this dynamic.

Coastalcommand · 28/04/2018 23:20

What’s your relationship with him?

betterputsomesuncscreenon · 28/04/2018 23:22

Prize Sad Your right. He doesn’t want DS, all I want is for his dad to have a good relationship with DS. I feel guilty that I’m obstructing their relationship because I refuse to take DS over to his, because of the reasons mentioned in my post.

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