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Exclusion, or Insecurity?

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faithinonesself · 13/04/2018 19:14

I have been with my partner for 2+ years now.

He moved to the area we now live in about 3 years ago. He previously had a relationship with a woman who at the time had a teenage daughter with whom he got on really well with (surrogate dad, type of thing).

The relationship with the mother of the daughter ended about 9-10 years ago, but they were together for about 4-5 years. They all stayed in touch and everything was very amicable from what I understand.

When we first got together, he used to mention that the ex partners daughter had messaged him and was asking when he might be popping down to their neck of the woods.

I actually thought that this was very healthy and encouraged him to keep the lines of communication open and try and set a date to catch up with her (she's now 24/25 years old with a baby of her own).

Eventually he agrees and travels to see her.

Around the time (us having been together for over a year) I did ask if she was aware that he had a new partner and he said "yes of course she knows about us".

I had assumed that his ex partner would be there when he visited, being as she was local to her daughter.

Upon his return (300 mile round trip) I asked the obvious - "how did it go, how was the baby, did you manage to catch up with ex?"

He said that ex was not there and proceeded to show me photos that he had taken during his visit. Okay - so I assumed my assumption was wrong.

The following day, he gets a call from his mother (other end of the country) and during this call she obviously asks how some one is, his reply was "yeah, she's okay, so far as I know".

Following the call, I asked who she had been enquiring about? His answer was "you". Quite clearly a lie! I think I was shocked that his mother quite clearly knew that his ex would have been present, but he declined to tell me and then blatantly lied .

1 week later I asked again and he still maintained the same answer, a week after he said " no it was about my ex, but I thought I had told you she had been (was going to be)there".

I was quite disappointed, as at no point had I given him any reason to think that I would be unhappy about contact with his ex. I asked if there was a reason for the lying and all I got was "I don't know". I asked if the daughter and ex know about me and was told "yes".

If so why lie?

Forward 1 year and the daughter of ex is suggesting that he visit again and he is doing the same 'avoidance technique' as before! He is telling me about it, but saying "Oh, I can't be arsed".

I have asked again, if they know I exist- to which he say "yes" but for the past 2 years, any Christmas cards that have come do not include me.

As an aside, I was a little bit hurt that I didn't get an invite to meet them first time, as in my eyes, if they are still important to him and still in his life, then is that not what he should have/should suggest?

Mole hill, or Mountain?

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couchparsnip · 13/04/2018 20:50

He is acting a bit strangely - covèring up and then changing the story. You need to talk to him and ask what's going on really.

OrangeCrush19 · 14/04/2018 01:52

I’m confused. If his mum asked how someone was (you think this someone was his ex?) and he said “yeah, she's okay, so far as I know" - surely ‘as far as I know’ means he didn’t see her?

Mustang27 · 14/04/2018 03:10

Insecurity I'd say from reading your op.

His behaviour is odd but he clearly doesn't want to see ex or her daughter really so just leave it alone and if he comes to you about the visit ask if there is a reason you couldn't join him this time.

Tbf if I was in your shoes I'd not care to meet them unless he was actively in their life.

Robin233 · 14/04/2018 03:44

Do not encourage this.
The past is the past.
Focus on developing joint friends.
300 miles round trip

No wonder he can't be botherd
Encourage that -

RainyApril · 14/04/2018 05:16

Do not encourage this. The past is the past.

That's a bit harsh. This woman was his stepdaughter for five years, and they've managed to maintain an amicable relationship for ten years since then.

The 'as far as I know' comment suggests that he didn't meet ex doesn't it, although he will have got news of her from his stepdaughter.

If he only visits once a year, at sd's request, I fail to see a problem really. I think it's nice that their relationship endures. Is his cba attitude about telling you what he thinks you want to hear?

niceupthedance · 14/04/2018 07:39

Molehill.
I don't think she was there.
He's saying he can't be arsed to visit again.
I wouldn't address a card to friends' partners if I had not met them.

Isetan · 14/04/2018 10:07

What a pathetic excuse for an adult he is. If he doesn't want to see them why doesn't he just say so and if he does, why the bloody performance?

Whatever the reasons behind his evasiveness and lies, his general shadiness isn't a positive endorsement of good character.

RainyApril · 14/04/2018 10:15

Don't you think the general shadiness might be because he feels disapproval or insecurity from op?

His actions, the continued contact for a decade, the long round trip, suggest he wants to maintain the contact.

Personally I can understand how someone might be trying hard to keep everyone happy.

faithinonesself · 14/04/2018 10:29

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts.

Just to clear up a few points- when he was speaking to his mum on the phone, she had clearly asked after someone, when I asked who it was, he said it was me, which is why I knew it was a lie, as I was sat in the same room. If it had been the ex’s daughter, he wouldn’t have said “so far as I know”. That was when I first asked if the ex had been present at the visit.

I would not have batted an eyelid if he had been up front and said she was going to be there, it was the lying that bothered me, which then made me question whether they knew I existed.

He has since had several other invites to visit- a party, going to a gig e.t.c but has refused them all making excuses as to why he can’t go.

I don’t encourage him anymore, as if it is a relationship that he wants to have, then it’s for him to maintain.

I think I was a bit hurt that during all of these invites, none where ever extended to me as well.

He has met virtually all of my friends- I thought that was what you did when in a relationship.

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Robin233 · 14/04/2018 15:43

You are right. You do meet each other's friends.
Someone once said they were just friend and when asked why they couldn't meet , were told they wouldn't get on.
Huge red flag.

ThirdTimeUnlucky · 16/04/2018 09:23

Tbh, I'm not sure I would like this situation at all. It's all a bit messy. Not including me on invitations and cards would be a huge red flag. If he's open and honest about being with you then I'd take it as an insult.
Also, the girl is an adult now. It's not like she grew up thinking he was her father. The fact that he feels a bit reluctant to visit maybe reflects he'd rather draw a line under it but feels pressured by this woman to maintain some contact?
I don't like giving ultimatums but in this instance, I would say fair enough if he wants to maintain contact BUT any future contact should include you. If she can't accept that then say he has to make a choice. If she values him that much then surely she will accept that he has someone else in his life, who is willing to accept her in your life. I really don't think the ex is a problem. Saying as far as I know doesn't sound like he saw her or if he did, they didn't really converse.

faithinonesself · 16/04/2018 12:16

Just to be clear. The ex partner was there and was always going to be there, he just decided not to share that.

It was a week after he came back that, he confirmed she was there.

It still doesn’t bother me that she was, but the fact that he lied (on several occasions) did bother me.

Ironically enough the step-daughter (not actual, but you know what I mean) has been in contact again to invite him to another party soon, as their birthdays are a day after each other.

His response was that “I didn’t use you as an excuse not to go” but said that “work were planning a surprise”.

So, once again, I am made to feel as though I am invisible Hmm.

I will leave him to it, but if at any point he does decide to go see her again, then I will suggest that I go too- then we will see what happens.

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faithinonesself · 22/04/2018 13:21

Sorry to resurrect this so soon, but at the beginning of the week he raised the issue again abut his step daughter asking him to go and visit. The request for the visit was for the May Bank Holiday weekend.

I didn't add anything to the conversation (intentionally) as I wanted to see what he was planning. His actual words were "God she can be a right pain! I don't want to go and visit because it's boring as f**k!".

Suddenly today he tells me that he is going down the week before to see her - so next Saturday.

I haven't said anything yet, as I am still not sure how to approach this, or whether I just let it go?

My gut is screaming at me to say to him, does the invite extend to me? But I know it doesn't as surely he would have said? Or maybe it's because he would feel too awkward at me being there as well?

As to whether his ex-partner is going to be there, I have no idea, but would assume that she will be.

Before anyone says that he is "allowed to have friends that don't include me" I totally agree!

What is upsetting me is the fact that he is not making any moves to include me or make me feel acknowledged by them. They clearly are still important to him, or he wouldn't travel a 300 mile round trip to see them.

Grrrr to feeling like this.

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Storm4star · 22/04/2018 13:43

I would probably just say “i’ll come along with you, it’ll be company for you on the trip and i’d really like to meet your stepdaughter” and see what he says.

faithinonesself · 22/04/2018 14:17

storm I'm not sure that I can do that, as I would feel like a 'spare part' Sad.

If he actually does find her boring (and I think that was said for my benefit Hmm) , then you think he would appreciate having someone else there to add to the conversation!

In an odd way, he almost has me feeling sorry for her, as if he thinks that little of her to call her boring, then why put the effort in?

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Storm4star · 22/04/2018 14:33

I think if this is just a once a year thing, and your relationship is fine in all other aspects, then I would probably just let the whole thing go. There clearly is nothing between him and this ex and it’s stupid he lied, but sometimes people do tell stupid lies. Maybe he feels some weird awkwardness about a past and present partner meeting. Maybe he doesn’t want to be particularly involved in their lives and is worried that you may become friends. I honestly don’t know. But if everything else is good between you I’d probably just arrange a nice day out for myself on that day and leave him to it!

faithinonesself · 23/04/2018 13:07

Well we had the conversation last night about how I felt a little Hmm about not being included -yet again to go and meet his Stepdaughter.

I asked if he would have an issue with me coming a long, to which he said no not at all, to which I asked well how come you didn’t actually ask me?

His answer was that he’s now not sure if he’s going, as he was waiting on her to confirm if this weekend was any good.

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