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Was my childhood that abusive & do I bother with dad now?

21 replies

TheClansman · 03/04/2018 22:03

So I'll start with my childhood.
My father was a drunk bully. But I never viewed my childhood as abuse until I met my wife. She told me on a number of occasions that it is.
My father has been a functioning alcoholic ever since I can remember. I have funnily enough he was fine when he was drunk, but a bit of an idiot, but not violent.
When he hadn't been drinking he used to hit & threaten us (brother) regularly. Pin us down & pull our arms behind our backs saying he was going to break them. Threaten us with knives. Strangle us. I was reminded a couple of years ago, by an old school friend, about a time I went into school with bruises on my throat. He'd say things like 'I don't know how someone so stupid can be my child', threaten to put us up for adoption, make obscene comments about my mother to us, and wouldn't let us have black friends or black TV shows and music. He kicked me out because I had a gay friend at school. Came home to find my bags packed. My brother told me dad said he wants you out. This is a fraction of what happened. I always thought abusive parents were the ones that tortured or sexually abused their children. So is this that abusive or is it relatively normal?

Next question: on top of this he had a friend who used to have porn on his computer that he has since told me was with girls of a questionable age. It has also came out a few years ago that my sister was sexually abused by this guy. This all happened while my father was drunk and stoned and left his daughter with this guy. He had affairs on my mother and she ended up sectioned twice because of them. The second time he brought the other woman into our family home and they slept together while they expected me, my brother, and my sister to entertain her two kids. Him and the other woman have since married. He did introduce my step brother to drugs aged 12. He commited suicide while on drugs a few years ago. I must admit I blame my father a lot for this, maybe I shouldn't, but I do.
There were lots of other things that he's done that get to me.
But I keep trying to have a relationship with him, a very strained relationship. It's very one sided. He only normally texts when he's drunk. He lives on the other side of the country now so having no contact won't really be difficult.
The question is do I keep spending my time and effort on a man who does admit he was a rubbish parent, but who hasn't actually changed. By not changing I mean keeps taking drugs and getting drunk and is still very racist?
He doesn't hit me anymore because I started hitting back at 12 and was bigger than him by 15. Evidently he likes to hit people smaller than him.

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TheClansman · 03/04/2018 22:09

Sorry about the poor grammar. Spell checker...

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category12 · 03/04/2018 22:17

Yes, it was really abusive.

No contact would be one way forward - he doesn't deserve a relationship with you.

Have you ever talked to a counsellor or had any support with all this?

Wolfiefan · 03/04/2018 22:21

He hasn't changed.
Stay away. Well away.
I'm sorry. He's a violent bully. You're better off away from him. A happy life well lived is the best revenge.

PoorYorick · 03/04/2018 22:25

People go to prison for less than what your complete shit of a father did to you.

Treaclespongeandcustard · 03/04/2018 22:26

I think you're better off without him too OP. He was (and still is) a terrible father. I don't see how he can offer anything positive to your life. I think that counselling would be a good idea. Hugs for you op, I'm sorry that you experienced that.

picklemepopcorn · 03/04/2018 22:29

It was abusive. He doesn't deserve a relationship with you. He should have been prosecuted for abuse. He still could be, if you wanted that.

TheClansman · 03/04/2018 22:38

Thanks for your replies. It does seem more abusive when I see what happened written down.
I don't want revenge though, that's the sort of thing he'd do. I've changed my surname to my mother's maiden name anyway. I think having grandkids without his name would be enough revenge anyway.
Catagory12 we did have family counselling when I was a kid but my father stopped it because the councillor kept 'blaming' and him.

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Samantha2018 · 03/04/2018 22:51

This definitely was abusive, stay away from him definitely keep any children away

homemadelemondrizzle · 04/04/2018 03:13

I can relate to a lot of the behaviours you described eg knives being used to threaten and being threatened to put us up for adoption BUT for me it was nowhwere near as physical as that an d my DF is quite nice to me now I have moved out (although abusive to my DSis and my DM a lot and I hate witnessing it) I am also very afraid my DF will stop loving me and go back to his old ways with me as well.

Sorry OP, I am not being helpful, am I? Just wanted you to know that I understand some of the confusion and self doubt? I am struggling massively with these at moment?

Flowers
homemadelemondrizzle · 04/04/2018 03:14

I really wish MN had a whole forum for abuse survivors sometimes or maybe a whole thread for those who have suffered less than ideal or abusive parenting. Maybe I should suggest that to the MNHQ?

Angelf1sh · 04/04/2018 05:24

Definitely abusive. I definitely wouldn’t bother with him ever again (—and that would include not pissing on him if he were on fire—).

I did want to add that whilst of course you’re under no obligation to do it, reporting him to the police wouldn’t be revenge, it would be justice.

Angelf1sh · 04/04/2018 05:25

(-I can never get the strike through thing to work-)

Angelf1sh · 04/04/2018 05:25

Still can’t Blush

ShackUp · 04/04/2018 05:47

You poor thing Thanks

Wallywobbles · 04/04/2018 06:31

Thats quite hard core abusé I'm afraid.

Abuse of yourself is difficult to recognize but it's really important to do so for your future I think. Do you have kids? I found that my terms of reference when I had kids were wonky as a result.

Read around the subject a lot. Mumsnet is a good place to start.

Fishface77 · 04/04/2018 06:46

Disgusting piece of shit.
Not worthy to be called dad.
Cut him out.

Charley50 · 04/04/2018 08:15

Yes it was abusive. My dad was similar to yours. I had no qualms about cutting him out when I left home. He's dead now.
My brothers found it more difficult to disengage though. My brother left home at 16/17 after my dad threw him down the stairs but he carried on seeing him occasionally as an adult.
My other dear brother became mentally ill and committed suicide. I also blame my dad for that, as when my brother's friends tried to visit him, our dad would chase them away, shouting at them. Early care is so important with psychosis but my paranoid dad made it so much worse.

Anyway sorry enough about me. If I were you I would have nothing to do with him, and nurture your relationship with your caring wife. Thanks

TheClansman · 04/04/2018 20:36

Thanks everyone. I've got a lot to think about! No kids yet BTW.

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Hissy · 04/04/2018 23:05

homemadelemondrizzle the thread for those of us who have had bad upbringings is in relationships and it’s called “we took you to stately homes”

Deals with neglecting or narcissistic parents/family and beyond

WellThisIsShit · 05/04/2018 00:16

Yes he was very abusive, he was not a nice man, and definitively not a good father. I’m sorry Flowers

What do you actually get out of being in touch with him. What do you get? Positives and also, the negatives? You are allowed to see relationships like that, especially with such horrific abuse. If you get enough positives now, then maybe you’d want to keep in touch. If you get only harm and hurt, with very little positives for you... then it’s ok to just... stop contacting him. It really is.

Bumshkawahwah · 05/04/2018 00:44

That is utterly heartbreaking, OP and most definitely full-on abuse. It’s not too late to look at some kind of therapy...as someone else says, abusive parents skew what you see as normal or wrong.

I’d be blocking your dad and not looking back. Parents are meant to protect and care and guide you. He was cruel and selfish and very, very abusive.

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