Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Partner taking over my mother?

37 replies

Libby18 · 30/03/2018 12:19

My partner is spending more and more time with my 94-year-old mother, who lives alone in her flat and is increasingly in need of care. Though she is very good for age (takes no medications, just hard of hearing and with slight cognitive impairment and memory loss) she is declining and getting frail. I have arranged a carer who comes in three or four times a week for a couple of hours to make sure she eats and look after other things. My partner has taken to doing much of her shopping, phones her regularly, takes her out for walks and to hospital appointments and is even helping her do some baking which she is unable to do unaided. He also insists on taking her with us on weekends away, and pays for a hotel room for her and looks after everything. He often sits all day in her flat with her, watching TV and reading and she is very glad of the company, which I can't give her because I am working, and he is around more often than not even when the carer is there. Of course all of this sounds fantastic and I know I should be very grateful. But I feel terrible because I am increasingly uncomfortable about this. Not because I fear there is any abuse - though he often raises his voice to her, however she does take this in good part and doesn't mind at all ('men are just like that, I take no notice and neither should you,' she says). No, it's more to do with the fact that he is himself a domineering character, and can be very bullying and controlling, also verbally abusive - between being an absolute paragon and the perfect partner. As indeed he is proving himself to be in relation to my mother. He has quarrelled with most of his family and has been thrown out of the house by both his brothers in law, and his father (also 94) lives abroad. He visits him regularly, staying in his own small flat in a care home, and takes control of him and his finances as he always has done. Suffice to say that I have and always have had problems with this side of him (we have been together for 18 years though not lived together until the last few months, when he came to live in my house against my better judgement). My feeling is of gradually having my life taken over and the relationship with my mother is the nail in the coffin - but I don't know whether this is jealousy on my part (both she and he tell me it is). They do get on very well, and the trouble is that I find her highly irritating to be with and have never really had a good relationship with her due to a whole variety of issues in the past. She thinks the sun shines out of his backside and can't imagine why I have trouble with him, and constantly calls on him rather than me to do things for her. He seems to get involved in any kind of decision-making for her, but I feel this is a displacement from organising his own life (he doesn't work and hasn't for 30 years, citing having had to look after his own parents) and a replacement for his own mother who died five years ago. I also get the feeling that he is owed something from it - she has already let him fill her garage with belongings from when he moved out of his parents' house and he has taken over more and more of my own small house with his stuff. Everyone agrees that he is an aggressive character who insists on having his own way and becomes highly volatile when he does not get it. I feel the whole situation and my life is getting increasingly chaotic and out of my own control. I am an only child so there are no other relatives to intervene.
Please help - am I reading the situation wrongly and over-reacting and being an absolute bitch? is this just jealousy and feeling left out? should I leave them to get on with it and be grateful? and if not, what on earth do I do because I cannot devote the time to my mother that she needs or I would go insane! - which I feel I am with both of them anyway. I would be so grateful for advice!

OP posts:
Oddcat · 30/03/2018 12:23

I would be very concerned that he has ulterior motives, maybe call the adult safeguarding team for some advice.

Why are you with him though , he doesn't sound very nice tbh.

AjasLipstick · 30/03/2018 12:24

I am increasingly uncomfortable about this. Not because I fear there is any abuse - though he often raises his voice to her,

THAT

Is all you need to read in this OP.

You need to speak to someone about this urgently. She's very vulnerable and so are you by the sound of it.

KarmaStar · 30/03/2018 12:30

Hi OP
If you're instincts are trying to tell you something isn't right,then go with them.You don't sound as if you want him in your life let alone your home.are you afraid to tell him to leave?if you want to do so,call the police beforehand,say you want your partner to leave but he can be volatile and can they attend to prevent a breach of the peace.
Get him out and change the locks.
Go tell your mum.be honest and ask her to not allow him in,are you wondering if he is after getting her to change her will in his favour of trying for power of attorney?
Life is too short to live with someone who intimidates you.
If your mum is adamant she wants to see him and there is no evidence of any abuse there is little you can do but keep an eye on her and hopefully get on a better foot of understanding with her.
Good luck

Gide · 30/03/2018 12:31

If you kick him out, she’ll take him in, won’t she? I think you need to get rid of him, OP, whilst also removing him from your mum’s life, or he’s going to end up with her house!

user1499333856 · 30/03/2018 12:31

Your instinct is completely right OP. I would say he poses a significant risk to your relationship with your mother, if not to her himself.

You should tread very carefully and reclaim your life.

Cricrichan · 30/03/2018 12:36

Put a nanny cam in her room and that way you'll be able to see if there's any abuse. Also, why are you with him?

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 30/03/2018 12:53

I agree with the above posters. In addition, I would feel uneasy with his stuff being stored at her house. It creates a superficial connection. It also creates an opportunity for theft when he ever does remove his belongings. Move it into a proper storage facility.

nordicflamingo · 30/03/2018 12:56

Why are you with him?

PeaPodPopper · 30/03/2018 13:11

Not because I fear there is any abuse - though he often raises his voice to her, however she does take this in good part and doesn't mind at all
^He raises his voice to a 94 year old frail woman - he shouldn't be raising it to anyone! He's a controlling, domineering bully, and he's found (he thinks) 2 perfect victims.
As other PP's have said I would be very concerned re his motives. Is he thinking there may be something left to him from her if he plays his cards right - a horrible thought and I'm sorry OP for saying it - but these things DO happen.
Contact SS, police, and anyone else possible and voice your concerns LOUDLY. Take action NOW and have him removed from her life.

Suffice to say that I have and always have had problems with this side of him (we have been together for 18 years though not lived together until the last few months, when he came to live in my house against my better judgement). My feeling is of gradually having my life taken over and the relationship with my mother is the nail in the coffin

^ Get him out. Now. the next time he leaves the house have new locks ready to put in the doors, and once you've put all his gear outside , then lock them .
I know that sounds severe, but would he go willingly? I bet not!

Nanny0gg · 30/03/2018 13:15

He helps with her banking?

Really? There are so many red flags I don't know where to begin.

However, before you kick him out (which you must) speak to the police and SS because he is not going to go quietly. And he'll be hard to remove from your mother's place

Fineline2018 · 30/03/2018 13:31

I would be concerned that if you ended it he would go to live with your mother.

How odd it all sounds. Why did he care for his parents? Sounds like an excuse to not work and carry on his bullying ways.

TalkFastThinkSlow · 30/03/2018 13:42

I don't understand why you're with him in the first place, he doesn't sound like a nice person.

I worry that he has ulterior motives, particularly if he now has access to her banking. No one should have access to that, unless they have power of attorney.

OMG, that's a horrible thought. She could give him POA.

I agree that you need to speak to Social Services.

Fishface77 · 30/03/2018 13:46

Fucking hell!
You know somethings wrong.
What are you waiting for?
Till he’s bled her dry???
Get him out of er life and get him out of your home ❤️

CowesTwo · 30/03/2018 13:46

He hasn't worked for THIRTY YEARS??? How has he supported himself in that time?

trojanpony · 30/03/2018 13:48

Red flags everywhere

You are not overreacting and I don’t think you sound jealous.

He raises his voice and shouts at an old lady?????
I’d def be concerned about abuse

If you don’t mind me asking, Why are you even with him???

trojanpony · 30/03/2018 13:51

Also X100 what nanny0gg said
This man will not go quietly.

However, before you kick him out (which you must) speak to the police and SS because he is not going to go quietly. And he'll be hard to remove from your mother's place
Especially with all the possessions he has been “installing”

Libby18 · 30/03/2018 13:56

OMG so much seriously common sense advice here!! Better than years of therapy - really making me think....
Why am I with him? - Precisely because he IS so helpful to my mother - and she loves it - and I can't do it and feel SO bad and guilty that I won't/can't/ don't want to help her because of our difficult relationship. Worried how she (and I) would do without him. And of course - like everything - my relationship with my partner started with high hopes - good times - great sex (he is still attractive, damn it) - he was generous and caring - I still believe he can be and my mum keeps insisting he is!
Thanks so much! All comments very welcome and have helped already.

OP posts:
Galerina · 30/03/2018 14:10

He is ingratiating himself with your mother in order to:

-live rent free.

-convince her to alter her will in his favour.

-empty her bank accounts.

Make an anonymous report to Local Authority Adult Safeguarding Team but if she is in sound mind she can make her will however she likes. If he's stealing then it may be viewed differently and if she is being abused then SS and Police should intervene. A hidden camera is not a bad idea.

If she thinks he can do no wrong then it will be an uphill task for you. He won't take kindly to you investigating so be very very careful x

MinaPaws · 30/03/2018 14:54

Trust your instincts and remove him from her life and yours. Take a week off work to help sort his stuff from hers and box it up, then get him to put it into storage. Sort out Power of Attorney with your mum and any siblings so anything he tries to spend 'on her behalf' must be approved by you first. Go through her recent bank statements with her and check up on any new unusual patterns of spending since he started hanging around.

But really - why are you with him? I don't get it. You describe him in terms of utter contempt. There's no evidence you even like him much.

Libby18 · 30/03/2018 14:56

I do have PoA so thats ok, Have warned her about not telling him about her finances or other matters, trouble is whenever I do that he worms things out of her then she goes and takes him into her confidence and even says that I asked her not to say anything!! It's that old fashioned thing of bowing to the man's advice. And I dont want to paint myself whiter than white here - I also lose my temper with her - which gives him the opportunity to be the 'good guy' and tell me off for being so rude to my mother! Honestly think I'm going crazy...

OP posts:
category12 · 30/03/2018 15:01

He's using her for power over you. What better for an emotional abuser than to use your guilt-laden difficult relationship with her to his advantage.

Iooselipssinkships · 30/03/2018 15:08

He sounds like a snake and I think part of him is doing this so you feel like you can't split up. Which is working. Plus he then has somewhere to go if you do with your Mother by his side.
Maybe he's genuine but it comes across as creepy to me.
As others have suggested report him but don't let on as you've said he can be aggressive. Stay safe.

Cambionome · 30/03/2018 15:15

The thing that jumped out of your post is that - putting your mother to one side for the moment - you don't want to be in a relationship with him. You describe him as domineering, bullying and controlling - he sounds awful, and quite frightening. Get him out of your life asap because the longer you leave it the worse it'll get.

Libby18 · 30/03/2018 18:41

You are all so great for responding. Thanks so much. A lot of this rings so true. Guess it helps to have an outside view. It's all very confusing when you used to genuinely care about someone then another side of them takes over. And I am concerned how mum would manage without him.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 30/03/2018 18:45

And I am concerned how mum would manage without him

You make sure she has enough carers. You investigate day centres. You speak to Age Concern.

You do what you can