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Row with friend

31 replies

DangerEgg · 29/03/2018 12:57

This is long but requires a it of background,

Met up with very good friend late January as she has been having some problems with her DD1 so I said let's meet up for a catch up and you can tell me what is happening. Her DD1 was struggles at school academically and she is trying to get some individual support or a diagnosis. My friend who has a very academic backgound has a difficult relationship with her daughter which she acknowledges. She gets very impatient with both her DDs and has a hard time bonding with eldest who is 9.

Our DDs have been friends since they were babies, we met at a class. They are less close now but will play together, chat when out etc. Her DD1, is more outgoing and sociable, my DD1 is quite shy. We both have younger DDs who get on very well.

We spend A LOT of time talking about her DD1, and her behaviour, and her problems at school. It can consume the whole evening.

The conversation turned to a meal we had at Christmas. We were at a pub restaurant. The behaviour of her two DDs and my younger DD was very poor, making too much noise, disturbing other diners and I had to remonstrate with them on a few occasions. My friend and her partner just looked embarrassed and muttering to each other about how humiliating their children were and each telling the other to deal with it or shouting at them. My partner wasn't doing too much to help either.

My DD1 was sat at a table drawing, she hates noise and confrontation and the more they were misbehaving, the more she didn't want to get involved. Her DD1 was going up to her saying random things like do you like various pop stars etc then running off. DD1 was responding but they weren't getting on like they do usually. However, by the end of the meal they were all getting on well, behaving better and were out in the garden running around.

At our night out, talking about how her daughter struggles at school, and how she feels about herself, she said that after that Christmas meal, her DDI told her that my DD1 'full of herself' and 'too big for her own boots' and that my DD1 made her DD1 feel stupid.

I said, (not unkindly but I was not happy) I don't think you need to have told me that, as in what relevance does that one outing have with regards to the wider issue of her daughters problems. I said I don't want to hear what your DD1 is saying about my DD1, especially unkind things, they are supposed to be friends, (though reading this back, they aren't really) I said she wasn't making her feel stupid, she was just minding her own business, and keeping out of trouble , I then said, what do you want me to do with that information when we see eachother?

Well upon me saying this, my friend exploded at me, I have never seen such fury from her. 'How do think I me and DH feel with her behaviour, we have to deal with her every day, is that all you can say, how can you be so insensitive to say that, its all about you, do you know what I go through, how every day is hard with my daughter. She stormed off to the toilets crying. I sat there dumbfounded. She came back and said she didn't think we could be friends if that was the way I felt and if that was all the support I could give her. I was quite stunned at this, as we have always been mutually supportive .

So me being the peacekeeper, I hate rows of any kind, apologised for upsetting her calmed her down, and tried to make the peace and we left on good terms. We met again a few days later with families and nothing was raised about this row.

In addition to this, she told me some very personal information about a friend of hers who I have met a few times twice which she most definitely should not have told me (she has also told her husband) and now now I am wondering whether I am ever able to confide in her again.

I haven't seen her since, we have texted general hi etc. We often don't get to meet up until the holidays so nothing unusual there.

She wants to meet up soon. The whole event has been playing round in my mind. Was I so wrong to say what I did? She made me feel like the worst friend in the world.

OP posts:
PNgirl · 30/03/2018 18:07

I think she's poking and prodding around at other people, trying to blame their behaviour for what she sees as her daughter's shortcomings. One time at primary school, a girl told her mum I was bullying her (she was a bully herself, so thought it would be funny). Said mum came and screamed at me. When she was reprimanded she told the Head that her daughter was badly behaved because of girls like me making her feel inferior! We weren't even in the same class and had barely met.

PNgirl · 30/03/2018 18:09

So, what I'm saying is that unfortunately you and your DD were the "target" this time. It's up to you if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt that it won't happen again.

Isetan · 01/04/2018 13:48

The ‘fury’ has exposed an unbalanced relationship dynamic that you weren’t happy with but appear to have accepted. This is an opportunity to see if that balance can redressed but first, you do need to understand your contribution. There’s no ‘of course’ about you choosing the role of peacekeeper, it’s this joint expectation that affords your friend the understanding that her bullying, self absorbed and manipulative behaviour will be tolerated.

Op your boundaries are poor and your relationship dynamic is partly based on your ‘friend’ exploiting that. It’s not uncommon for people with your friends temperament to seek out people to dominate with your temperament. Your ‘friends’ character and behaviour which is probably at the root of the unsatisfactory relationship with her daughter and just like with your relationship, she’s quick to point the finger than look in the mirror.

Personally, I would suggest you step back and think about what you get from the relationship because at present it does sound one sided.

DangerEgg · 04/04/2018 00:25

Some more ideas for me to reflect on. Much of it rings true for for both of us, you lot are very perceptive!

I have reflected a lot and now feel embarrassed, as though I almost humiliated myself in my attempts to soothe my friend's wrath as I wanted to keep the friendship. I assumed if she was that mad, I had behaved that bad. But I hadn't had, I? I had every right to say I didn't want to hear what her daughter had said, whether she liked it or not. It wasn't friendship ending.

@Isetan, what you have said is revelatory and not the first time I have had friendships with an unbalanced dynamic you will no doubt be surprised to hear.

In her and our defence, we have been good friends, confiding, listening, advising. However, I can't see that in the future as I have no idea what she tells people when friends confide in her. Her husband told her she shouldn't have told me about her friend. Which tells me she told two people - me and him - her friend's intimate secrets. She suggested dinner with them but I can't sit there with DP wondering what she has told him. Blush.

How to move on? I need to address this but am dreading it as I hate confrontation (childhood full of rows). Sad

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lattewith3shotsplease · 04/04/2018 00:40

OP.
Your friend is possibly jealous of your DD's good behaviour, and your amazing parenting skills.

Never trust anyone who talks gossips about their friends,as they'll do exactly the same to you.

SeaEagleFeather · 04/04/2018 07:40

How to move on?

It depends how bad the row was. As it was friendship ending fury, I think quietly disengage. She doesn't handle even the slightest challenge well, so you probably can't clear the air with her. So I'd slowly become busier and less able to meet up.

If on the other hand the row was forgiveable then give it some time and see if the friendship can heal. But I agree with isetan, it sounds like the dynamics were unbalanced and you're better off with someone more able to genuinely give-and-take

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