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Staying together for the kids

22 replies

needsomeguidanceplease · 24/03/2018 12:44

Does it ever work? If neither party are happy but the home environment is stable for DCs?

I have to make this choice and I'm scared of getting it wrong. DC are the most important thing, if they are happy then that is good enough.

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userxx · 24/03/2018 12:48

Please don't stay together for the kids, they will be so much happier with happy parents living apart. Is there any way to salvage your marriage?

Aprilmightmemynewname · 24/03/2018 12:52

Research I read says dc are more damaged when they realise their childhood was a lie. If you aren't in a happy loving relationship why lie?

needsomeguidanceplease · 24/03/2018 13:45

I'm not sure there is any way to salvage it. There's problems on both sides but the trust is destroyed for me.

He keeps telling me he's leaving and makes a big song and dance but always comes back and carries on like nothing has happened. It's like he doesn't want to be the one that ends it because thst would make him the bad guy.

I'm too tired for all of this. I've not felt this low in years.

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Jeeve5 · 24/03/2018 13:46

I did this for almost ten years.
If I’d known then, what I do now, I would never have considered this course of action.
By your post I assume that your relationship isn’t great??
Which will only likely deteriorate further over time. I’m fully divorced now, have a good relationship with all my 3 children and am unbelievably happy.......
As above posts, try to explore ways to improve your relationship and once you feel that it not possible, sadly look to end it and build the next chapter of your life....
Wishing you the very best!!!

Jeeve5 · 24/03/2018 13:49

Sorry- cross post
I’d get your ‘ducks in a row’....
And plan for your new life.

Lalimerente · 24/03/2018 14:05

I am doing it now. There was a time when I tried to leave but dcs got so distressed at the new family dynamics that it really disrupted their ability to concentrate at school

It was one of these weird set ups where we were still sharing a house but not a bedroom and it was just not sustainable. I also think that dp kept on saying to dcs that o was going mad and made them feel insecure. He threatened to have me sectioned it was a mess

I had no support from anyone so I relented and got things back to normal for the sake of the kids and they are back on track.

It is a lonely existence and I don t really recommend it. I just keep my mouth shut most of the time and don t engage. May be a clean break with someone moving out and neat separation is preferable to the mess I landed myself into...

Good luck with whatever you are trying to do however op Flowers

Huntinginthedark · 24/03/2018 14:06

I think only you can know.
You can tell someone till your blue in the face that it’s the wrong thing to do. But you’ve got to come to the realisation on your own.
Problem is, when you’re in a family dynamic the day to day is just that. But if there is underlying unhappiness it will seep out

No one wants to be the bad guy, but that’s just immature and pretty horrible to you. What is he trying to do, be such an arsehole that you just give in and leave.

You only have one life.

Keepithidden · 24/03/2018 14:30

If neither party are happy then a split would seem best. I am staying for the kids, my wife is happy I'm not, but I'm not jeopardising my relationship with DCs for anything, it is true that it is selfish, but I'd rather see them everyday than be a EOW parent. When they are older I'll happily explain my reasons and I hope they will understand. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

grannycab · 24/03/2018 15:03

Don't stay for the kids. My parents did that. It was not a good way to live.

Huntinginthedark · 24/03/2018 16:08

I think sadly men like @Keepithidden end up only having eow. But that’s changing a lot now, so it’s much more likely you would get 50/50
My parents stayed in a miserable marriage and even when they did divorce they fucked it up because they resented each other so much by the end
Both had affairs. Both “stayed for us” and boy didn’t we know it.
Neither my brother or I have ever had a successful relationship

Keepithidden · 24/03/2018 16:16

Not just men Huntinginthedark, any relationship where one partner is SAH, therefore more the primary parent. 50/50 only works if two suitable households are affordable.

Huntinginthedark · 24/03/2018 16:22

I agree it’s not just men. But I do think that men sometimes get the bum end of the deal in these situations. Which is why I am not surprised so many choose to stay and be unhappy.

Keepithidden · 24/03/2018 16:25

True, that's society I guess. One situation where the patriarchy doesn't necessarily work in my favour!

Huntinginthedark · 24/03/2018 16:36

sorry @Keepithidden
That’s a pretty shit situation for you. Are you sure your wife is happy? I’m only asking because it’s highly likely she might feel like you.
But in any case I hope it works out for you one way or another

SendintheArdwolves · 24/03/2018 16:40

It depends - are you suggesting a theoretical "happy co parenting" relationship where there is acknowledgement on both sides that the romantic part of the relationship is over but both adults are happy to cohabit? If so, that is possible - both parties still like and respect each other, are friends but not lovers. They can have a private life separate from their ex spouse and everyone knows (including the children) and is happy with that.

But it sounds like you are (both?) unhappy, the relationship has broken down, but you are suggesting grimly maintaining the pretence of a marriage because you misguidedly think you can somehow successfully deceive your children "for their own good"?

That won't work. Even if it was worth making yourself miserable for the next few decades, it just isn't possible to successfully pretend to your children. You frequently hear from adults who grew up in that environment, and THEY ALL KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. You might find the one in a million person who says "my parents didn't love each other and my mum was desperately unhappy all my childhood. I never noticed, and it had no impact on me. Looking back, I'm really glad she stayed". But I'd be surprised.

If I'm honest, "staying for the children" is usually code for "I'm scared to leave so I'll pretend I'm being noble and sacrificing my own happiness for my kids".

Keepithidden · 24/03/2018 16:53

Thanks Hunting, she says she is. Communication is rubbish though outside of everyday logistics and parenting.

Interesting post Sendintheardwolves, how about if your view of marriage isn't necessarily romance etc. More of a partnership to raise children, a financial and emotional relationship that can be friendly, rather than intimate?

I'm not looking to deceive DCs at all, and I'm quite happy to tell them that marriages are different between different folks, at least in an age appropriate manner.

You're right about being scared though.

MummyCuddlesSolveEverything · 24/03/2018 16:55

Never a good idea. My parents did this and it was awful. Me and my sister were both happy and relieved when my mum finally left my dad when we were in our early 20s and both wished they'd split about 15years earlier.

Huntinginthedark · 24/03/2018 16:59

Lots of people are happy toodling along being co-parents and that’s all. And the world outside is scary.
Some people don’t care that much about feeling a lot of romantic love. It’s all horses for courses
But don’t invalidate your own feelings

NerrSnerr · 24/03/2018 17:06

My parents did this and it was shit. It's bloody obvious when your parents don't love each other like everyone else's. You'll think you'll be hiding the bad feeling but you won't be. Children pick up on more than you think.

needsomeguidanceplease · 24/03/2018 20:01

Thank you for all the responses, it's interesting to hear other people's opinions and experiences.

I posted earlier because we were having a talk today, we have decided that the relationship isn't going any further. I'm gutted for my DC and I hope it is the right decision.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to do now, I feel numb.

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Keepithidden · 24/03/2018 21:06

Good luck OP, you'll get lots of support here on MN I'm sure, sorry I can't offer any advice.

Lifeaback · 24/03/2018 21:22

My parents got divorced when I was 19 and had recently moved out for uni. The relationship which your parents have when you're growing up is the one which you perceive as normal, so for me I grew up thinking that a loveless marriage was a normal one. When they got divorced it shook my world up much more than it would have when I was a child- within a year of moving out of home, my 'home' was on the market and my family unit was no longer, so I was stuck in this horrible limbo where my uni halls didn't feel like proper home and then my proper home was gone.

If my parents had of divorced when I was a child, some stability would have remained as I would still have a family, it just would have had a new format. Children are so much more resilient and adaptable than adults, and there's a lot more support available for children going through parental divorces then there is for adults. On top of that, if my parents had have divorced when I was a child, they still would have been young enough to find other people. Whereas by the time they divorced they were both in their 50s and were so far stuck in their ways (married for 25 years) that they didn't know how to get back into dating and it was really tough for me watching my mum age, become ill and ultimately die on her own.

Their reason for not divorcing sooner was that me and my brother were their priority and they didn't want it to affect us with school or exams etc. But they ended up affecting us both on a much deeper level- you might think that your children don't notice there's anything wrong, but they pick up on a lot more than you give credit for. I spent years wondering why my mum and dad weren't like my friends, why they didn't sleep in the same bed or kiss eachother on the cheek when one came home from work or go out for meals without the kids. Not to mention the countless family holidays that they spent not talking to eachother and only talking to me and my brother. Their marriage was not spiteful or hateful or bitter, there was just no love their and no matter how hard they tried to hide it me and my brother were very aware of this.

You are absolutley doing the right thing for your children by splitting up. It may be difficult in the beginning, but life will carry on and your family will adapt and I can garuntee it will be much better in the long run. What matters now is how you handle the split- you need to do your best to handle it with no animosity or arguments over custody etc in front of the children, no whispering in their ears or making them pick sides. Remain civil and as friendly as possible, make Christmas/birthday/parents evening arrangements as easy as possible- if there are no problems like abuse or cheating etc and it's possible for you to remain friends and attend these things together, the divorce will be much easier for the whole family.

I'm sorry for how long this was- just wanted to give my take on things as 'staying together for the kids' is a subject I feel very strongly about. Good luck OP I know it is a difficult time but you will get through it Flowers

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