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How do you tell DM that she's no longer 'up to' looking after DCs alone?

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RapunzelsRealMom · 04/03/2018 15:03

Oh, this is a long one! Thanks in advance for reading. I don't want to drip feed.

I love my DM very much. In some ways, we are friends more than mum and daughter. However, she can occasionally demonstrate difficult behaviours: she can be manipulative, controlling, interfering, gets terribly 'hurt feelings' when she's not happy about something, etc. A lot of her happiness is centred around me and my DCs: she gets very down when she hasn't seen us for a week or so, is quite entitled in terms of visits.

Also relevant info is that she's always been young for her age, she's fit and healthy (always exercised, good diet, little alcoholic, etc). She's now mid-70s. For info, she is happily married to DSF and has a wide circle of friends, so not lonely.

She has been through a very difficult time recently as, in the summer, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She has had chemo, now beginning radiotherapy and is clear, thank goodness.

Her cancer treatment has taken a lot out of her. She's beginning to look and act older than she was. It also seems to have affected her mentally; she's not as 'on the ball' as she was, sometimes she doesn't seem to hear or understand new info, doesn't always follow conversations. I don't have concerns about dementia: I'm sure it's not that, she's just a bit 'flaky' (or flakier than she was 😁). An example of her not being 'on the ball' (there are numerous): at her house this morning, she made coffees and set the just-boiled kettle down at the edge of the worktop, just as DD(5) was reaching up to the worktop. I bounded across the kitchen to move the kettle to the back of the worktop and checked her reaction - there was none! She didn't seem to notice.

Before her illness, she helped me once or twice per week with childcare. I really appreciated her help, although we didn't need it, as such. Latterly, I wasn't always entirely happy as she insisted on driving the children to her house (she will never look after them at our home) or to various locations, taking them out for lunch, shopping, etc.

Her driving had begun to concern us, slightly at first. In fact, around the time of her diagnosis, DH and I discussed stopping her driving them around any more (she'd had an accident that didn't cause injury but, from the way she describes it, was completely her fault but she doesn't accept that at all). This caused me massive stress as I knew it would be a huge fight and she'd take it as a terrible insult.

So, understandably, she hasn't been helping us with childcare since her diagnosis and that's been fine. We see her for visits, around once per week, although she obviously doesn't see the kids as much as she did.

She's now hinting, very heavily about things going back to 'normal', wanting to take the kids shopping or to the cinema, etc. This would involve her collecting them in the car, driving there and them dropping them off at home. Due to the kettle incident (and others), I'm not confident of leaving them solely in her care at all, even without the car.

No matter how we say it, this will hurt her terribly. I will be 'ridiculous', 'unreasonable', 'cruel', etc. She classes my DCs as hers, as I am 'hers' and they are an extension of me.

How do we say it in a way that hurts her as little as possible and doesn't cause a huge family fall-out?

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sirlee66 · 04/03/2018 15:12

As horrible as it will be for you to tell your mum.. you have to safeguard your children. If there is a risk, you have to ensure they are safe so carry on exactly what you are doing, OP.

Perhaps making other suggestions when she asks to take DC out? 'No, but you can come here' 'No, but we will meet you at xxx' etc... Stay strong on this and after a while it will become normal.

Yr8Sport · 04/03/2018 16:49

Have you discussed this with DSF?

Aquamarine1029 · 04/03/2018 16:52

Your childrens' safety MUST come first. Your instincts are telling you your mother is not up to the task of properly watching them. Please listen. Her feelings may be hurt, but she'll survive. Don't allow her emotional manipulation to coerce you into making a bad decision.

SleightOfMind · 04/03/2018 16:58

Don’t wait for an incident, take a deep breath, sit her down at a calm time and tell her what you’ve told us.
Then, very swiftly move on to how you will visit more often and do more things together with specific examples. Be clear and no nonsense about it.
It might be upsetting for her but the less clear and firm you are now, the more distressing the whole thing will become.

Lollipop30 · 04/03/2018 17:01

Placemarking so I can come back and read properly.
In the same position with MIL but so far have managed to avoid the conversation

spinn · 04/03/2018 17:13

In the similar position.

Do you have any siblings who can support this?

I've started making my kids sound really hard work to her so when I say no they can't come out, I've already sewed the seed that they are in challenging phases (tbf, they are in challenging phases!!).
She offered to help out and take them for a full day in a few weeks and for the first time I did say, no they will be too much for you at the moment - what about if they go to siblings and you go over and help. It kind of went down ok....not sure she actually listened!

I also find she wants to help, so having things she can do to help stops her offering things I want to say no to - does that make sense? Taking them to the cinema and you meet them there, walking them somewhere, shops that's sort of thing really works for us

Nevth · 04/03/2018 17:27

Oh @RapunzelsRealMom, that sounds really difficult. Flowers

I agree with others that you need to make sure your own kids are safe. Can you say something about how when they are getting older, you'd like them to get more independent, but that they will always love a visit from their grandmother? How old are your kids other than DD5?

My dad is completely unfit to drive, yet keeps buying cars with more and more horsepower. I now refuse to get in a car with him (he won't let me or my mum drive, as women are unable to be in charge of motorised vehicles, apparently Hmm ). It was a difficult conversation but I was not about to endanger myself or my DP just to avoid confrontation.

Missingstreetlife · 04/03/2018 18:49

Radiotherapy and chemo make you feel very tired and ill. It can take many months to get over these effects, and it's difficult emotionally. She is being unrealistic to think things will be back to normal so soon. Perhaps she's trying to take her mind off what has happened. Reassure her but be firm.

MatildaTheCat · 04/03/2018 19:07

‘Mum, we love seeing you and the dc love to have you around but right now we don’t feel you are up to taking the dc out alone. You’ve been through a lot and it’s taken it out of you more than you realise. Let us look after you.’

Don’t engage in argument just repeat and offer alternative suggestions. She can still have one to one time with them at your home with an adult around. Perhaps she could have a special role in helping them with reading or another specific project.

SecretTerf · 04/03/2018 19:09

@nevth

If your dad really is unfit to drive he's putting everyone els around him at risk, whether or not you and your kids get in the car with him. Have you thought of reporting him to the DVLA? They won't tell him who reported him, and if there's a medical issue that's making him unsafe to drive, or if he's just too elderly and frail, they'll contact his GP for a report.

live.email-dvla.service.gov.uk/w2c/en_gb/decisions/drivers%20medical

It's not easy - I've had to do it myself with an elderly relative - but I decided I couldn't live with myself if my relative hurt or killed someone on the road.

Nevth · 04/03/2018 19:15

Hi @SecretTerf, I completely agree with you. Unfortunately my parents have moved to another country where there is no authority in the same way as the DVLA (in terms of reporting). Sorry I forgot to mention this in my original post. I have sent a letter to the local authority (as my mum refused to do so) but essentially he is not old enough to have to retake the test, which is required in this particular country when you turn 80.

It's so difficult - and to be honest, I think we should all have to retake our tests every 10 years or so. I'm sure that would reduce the number of accidents.

SecretTerf · 04/03/2018 19:17

Oh I see, not a lot more you can do the

RapunzelsRealMom · 04/03/2018 19:18

Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate you taking the time.

No, I have no siblings to help shoulder this and no, I haven't spoken to DSF (he is wonderful but adores DM and will say nothing against her views).

I agree about her treatment and the length of time her recovery is likely to take, however, she is constantly telling me how great she feels, how fantastic it is that she feels amazing, etc. She's protesting too much, you know?

Making the kids sound like hard work is a no-go. As she's 'superwoman' and can 'breeze through cancer', then kids will be no bother. She adores them and will say or do anything to have them. I don't mean to sound flippant about her illness and recovery. It has been hell for all of us, and I'm so relieved that she is clear - I do love her very much - but these are the sort of things she says (and it's very obvious from how she looks and how she behaves that it's not really true).

Matilda thanks. I'll practice saying that.

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