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Don't know where to start

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hattyyellow123 · 02/03/2018 17:25

Not sure where to start or even if this should be on relationships, money or divorce.

DH and I have been married for 15 years. There are a lot of strengths to our relationship. But we are stuck in a limbo land. About 12 years ago we made the decision to move out of London (where I'm born and bred) to rural Northern England (where he's born and bred). We went via Australia on a working visa so we've been here about 10 years.

DH's career is fairly niche. If you're based in London you can be busy in his job, although your rents will be high. He works hard, but his industry costs are also stupidly high - insurance, professional fees etc. My career is also mainly London based but I've worked freelance for years now.

Our situation is not sustainable financially. Not at all. We've taken out endless loans, remortgaged twice. DH talks about getting a different career (he works the equivalent of 3 days a week and does pull his weight house/childcare wise) but nothing ever seems to happen. Where we live, so rurally, is an area of limited employment. It's not easy mid life here to find a career which earns enough.

When we're busy we're busy, but there are gaps between contracts/late payments/unexpected bills which knock us financially. We cannot now make up the amount of extra debt we have - but can't work out a loan solution as we cannot predict our income from month to month.

I've looked for full time work, but would mean me trying to live in London all week which I'm reluctant to do as I would hardly see our kids. We live in an area where the majority of women aren't working and the majority of men do, very traditional attitudes.

Our children are very settled at school - they're at very good local state schools where they're doing well and happy. We own a house, although we live in a cloud of credit and overdrafts, hitting our limits each month. Our costs are low as we can - we don't eat much meat, we never go out for meals or drinks, holidays are very limited, hand me downs are the order of the day.

I'm unbelievablyl frustrated with our situation. I feel like I'm constantly searching/networking/trying to find new work/new leads/ some kind of more steady employment. DH will take several months to identify one lead, then decide it's not a goer. In the meantime we have wasted another few months. I think he's drowning in the situation - he doesn't' know what else to do. Moving back to London would be too expensive - we can't afford it now we've been out so long.

We live very rurally - we're not even in a village. For any of us to get anywhere we have to get into the car and drive, to get milk is 12 minute drive. We can walk down one lane and that's it. We can't afford to move into a village or town here though as we don't have enough money and we owe family money.

DHs family have lived here for generations. He is very attached to the place. I could happily never see this area of the country again. Every weekend I want to scream endlessly into the rural abyss of nothingness. I want to walk and see something interesting, not just trees and farmer land which I can't access. I've never driven so much and walked so little, as dragging cold children out on cold walks loses its appeal after a while.

I do love him, I see a lot of strengths in him, but I feel his head is so firmly stuck in the sand that it's all on my shoulders. I'm tempted to actually turn down the bits of work we rely on to keep just about in our credit and overdraft limits - just so that we crash enough to wake him up. And I know that's ludicrous because we have children and they need to feel stable and settled.

It's absolute limbo and I don't know what to do. How do you go about changing career mid life, especially for someone who takes so long to even decide whether to have a cup of coffee or tea? Do I resign myself to keeping the rest of my family here and end up working long hours away? I'm not even sure with my accommodation somewhere else that that would work financially.

Where can you live in the UK that's dirt cheap? Is it even possible. How did we get in this mess? Like many people we kept thinking - just one more contract, things will get better- something will change. But all he says is "yes something has to change" he does NOTHING about it. It's affecting us, its affecting the children (although we try endlessly to be as calm as possible, to still have fun as a family and for them to try and enjoy their childhood). And I feel like it's all on me, I'm the only one who can change this because i'm the only one who's going to get into gear and eventually find something - while he continues living in the sort of rural place he grew up in, just without the fixed 9-5 job that his dad had.

We talked earlier today, I got cross with him, he offered nothing beyond bland statements. Everything I suggest he finds a problem with. I know nothing is perfect, but this is dreadful. My mum loaned us money last autumn and despite working my fingers off we haven't made enough money to even start to pay her back. Every time i speak to her I don't have an answer for her.

I want to say that I'm fully aware things could be much much worse, in so many ways we are lucky. But I just need some help if you've got this far. I can't see the wood for the trees.

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ArgosTheDog · 02/03/2018 17:38

Could you not afford to move to the suburbs or cheaper outskirts of a city or large town...basically anywhere where your husband would have more work?

ArgosTheDog · 02/03/2018 17:39

Why is your DH so dead set against moving?

MyBrilliantDisguise · 02/03/2018 17:42

There's absolutely no point in staying where you are.

I don't understand your jobs though. I know you don't want to reveal too much, but do you both work from home?

Willswife · 02/03/2018 17:45

Do you have equity in your home?

If so, without a doubt I would sell up and move to an area where you will be able to support yourself.

Your husband may not choose this but you cannot afford to live where you do, it's as simple as that.

Cricrichan · 02/03/2018 17:49

I live near Sheffield and there are plenty of jobs and houses are fairly cheap. You can also get to other major cities quite quickly.

hattyyellow123 · 02/03/2018 17:52

I work from home. I hate it. I can’t afford to move to a job where i can be around other people as my income is double his. We live where we do because its cheap, to move into a village or town costs more.

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hattyyellow123 · 02/03/2018 17:56

Its getting him to find another career which is so hard. I spend time looking for him too but he needs to make the contacts and network, he won’t even join linkedin. I found someone he might be able to shadow and said he should join and he’s done nothing about it. How long does it take to just join something like that, it’s not hard. Its like pulling teeth. So we have equity in house but no point moving until its not justreliant on the same dual income self employed crappiness.

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toooldtocare · 02/03/2018 17:57

I don't know I can be much help but I didn't want to read and run.

Do you know the level of your indebtedness? Have you looked at Martin's money saving website, they have a forum about Debt management there are some really inspirational people, and some wise ones who may be able to find a few more pounds to be saved.

You can either accept DH is going to be useless with help or find a way to get him engaged. The latter I imagine will be harder but is there something that would hit home, bankruptcy, his family knowing, you upping sticks without him?

I am imagining you have a few options to think about and do the pros and cons with your DH (or without) for each of them.
Moving somewhere cheaper - is that possible? (From homes under the hammer -Stoke-on-Trent seems cheap)
Selling up, clearing your debts and renting in another area.
Taking on more work (easier in a bigger area) - eg supermarket evening work, bar work
Developing a slightly more diversified portfolio of skills to take on more self-employed work
Do you have room for a lodger?

If you're a Mum you'll be good at problem solving, planning and organising can you think about using those skills and applying them to this situation. You may have to disregard the husband..

buckingfrolicks · 02/03/2018 17:57

You're going round in circles.

Write a list of your options, from stay, to LTB. Don't reject any ideas no matter how mad.
Then for each option write a list of what's good and bad about it. Then give the option a score out off say 15

Do it for all options. Look at the highest scorer and feel How does that sit emotionally?

theredjellybean · 02/03/2018 18:07

I worked away in London during the week and commuted home (like many men did) when my dds were around 10-15.
I did wfh Monday, and Friday so was onky away two nights three days.
There arw loads of Mon to Friday lets in London so not that expensive to stay there, if your self employed you can claim travel against tax.
You might have to do it.
Also yiy need to restructure all your debts so you know who or what to pay down first.
And I think your husband sounds either depressed or just a lazy twat... Either way this is up to you to sort out. I would stop discussing it with him.. He ain't going to help, accept that and crack on making a plan to get out of this.
I know it's so hard to shoulder the burden and I know he should be doing it too but face facts he ain't gonna do anything pro active.
I'd be sorting this out to suit you and your children and his emotional attachment to the rural location counts for little. That's bottom of the priorities list...

theredjellybean · 02/03/2018 18:10

BTW my dexh was good at learned helplessness too, and wouldn't move from dull countryside.. So when I couldn't stand it I git job in London. I did not organise anything at home.. Left him to it... And we all survived... In fact he thrived as the more active parent.. And I got to have city buzz

hattyyellow123 · 02/03/2018 18:39

This is all so useful thank you. Have cornered him into a meeting about it tonight. I would worry about the kids interaction with me away, he’s not keen on encouraging them to do anything outside the house. We spend half the winter weekend tryig to get them off computer as they can’t get anywhere without a lift. I think he is depressed yes, in a functioning way. Scared of messing up in a new career. But i think i’m depressed too from the constant stress and so much isolation. Our closest friends still all in the south

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theredjellybean · 04/03/2018 10:41

Hope talk went well... I had same mildly depressed, or just lazy dexh... But I just booked all kids activities.. Riding lessons, rugby, drama club etc, wrote them on calendar and said breezily ' you need to organise how they get to these as I am away next week'... When I got back,often kids hadn't been to stuff and moaned at me.. My answer ' don't moan at me, it's daddy's responsibility to take you... Moan at him'... They did... And over time he upped his game immeasurably... He turned into super parent... I did not nag, intervene or offer to help... Just like a man wouldn't if he worked away all week!!!
It took about 3 months max to get to that point.
Don't think for one minute your dh is not capable... He is, but he won't do it if you do it for him

hattyyellow123 · 15/03/2018 14:36

Thanks jellybean and sorry for long gap in replying - things have got even worse and have been firefighting bills etc..i've noticed a difference in him over the last decade since I've worked more and more hours - his housework contribution has increased! you're right he could get there!

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NotTheFordType · 15/03/2018 17:06

From a purely practical point of view, it sounds like you need to go back to working FT in London. Yes it will suck being away from your kids, but not as much as losing the roof over your heads.

Your other option is to leave him, force a house sale, take the equity and move you and the kids back down south, and again work FT.

yetmorecrap · 15/03/2018 20:44

Are you confident of getting significantly more work in London, enough to make up say £650 a month room in a house ? The other option is a job in London where they let you do Monday and Friday at home , so 3 nights stay using say air B and B, will cost around same though overall. You have to think sideways OP, if you have equity, you can sell up , get rid of some debt if not all and rent much closer to London. Most places are not cheap that are commutable but if you aren't paying a mortgage, have much less debt and both of you can get better paid work and more of it, this may well all balance it. It's a bit pointless having a low expense life but low income too that you aren't even enjoying. You may as well aim at higher income and a bit more expense (although if you have no debt there may not be much in it) you don't have to live in London but if commuting is involved it can often make sense to live within zones unless rent is so reasonable it's worth train fares. The fist port of thought though in my opinion is will you get the work!!!

yetmorecrap · 15/03/2018 20:45

If he refuses to move then I think it's back to the working away option if you can get more work and it made financial sense.

Bananamanfan · 15/03/2018 20:52

Can you downsize and free up some equity? Can you move to where your children's school is and get 9-5 office jobs , not related to your careers?

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