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Feel ashamed of my family

18 replies

HeartofGlass123 · 27/02/2018 09:50

I’ve nc as I feel dreadful saying this....but I feel so ashamed of my family. It sounds silly to say, but watching the current BBC programme ‘Generation Gifted’ has touched on some very uncomfortable feelings about growing up in an unsupportive and financially challenged home.

I grew up in a fairly toxic environment: parents had frequent arguments that turned violent, and constant money worries.
As the eldest of four, I grew up feeling incredibly anxious about money and felt different and isolated.
We lived in a tiny 2 bed house, at one time with 4 kids in one room. I remember wanting a room/space of my own so much! We weren’t allowed to bring friends home as Mum felt ashamed of the house.
The family arguments and the violence was something that we just didn’t talk about outside the home. Again, too shameful.
Parents were full of a lot of empty talk (though I didn’t realise it at the time): on Sundays, we went for a drive to look at houses/estate agent particular (for houses that we could never realistically afford), or to look at cars (again, that we could never afford). As a child, it all felt so near - but so far.

Going into my teens, the feeling of isolation and difference sharpened. At the age of 14, I became bulimic.
At the beginning, it was a form of ‘control’ - I had no control over external factors, but I could control what I ate. I also threw myself into my academic studies. I wanted something more.

Growing up, I recall feeling tremendously driven to achieve (financially). It really was a case of thinking...if I can do well, I can help all my family to do better too. I just wanted to ‘make something of myself’.

Looking back, I know my parents wanted more financially but their way of living was so chaotic that it could never have happened. There were so many poor decisions, with Lots of situations being left to literally hit a wall before anything was done (if at all).
No encouragement about going to university. (I was the first in my family to do so).

This sense of total insecurity over money and the feeling of lurching from one disaster to the next has never left me.

To cut a long story short - the next few years after leaving home for university were hard, both personally and financially.

I was in a ltr with someone who was violent and although my parents knew broadly what was happening, their attitude was that they didn’t want to get involved.
I was too scared to leave the relationship as I was worried about coping on my own financially. Eventually I did, but I only married my now husband aged 40. He is lovely.

Financially, I’ve done very well for myself, both independently and through marriage.
I love my husband, but it is true to say that his stability - both in financial terms and having a stable loving family - is hugely attractive to me. We now have a beautiful baby and I am so, so thankful.

But I still feel such tremendous feelings of shame about the way I was brought up and the fact that whilst I have moved on, my family feel very different.

My husband’s family are so normal, nice and appreciative. They seem to like me and see that I work hard to create a loving family life for their son.
I feel ‘at home’ with them.

In contrast, my own family is still lurching along. Despite having tried to help them financially, they are still making poor decisions and are resentful of my seeming good luck (and don’t realise the effort that has gone into it). But money aside, it’s the difference in outlook I just don’t understand.
They are quick to take and are open to financial favour but are scathing of me. It hurts.

I’ve never told my husband about the violence or the bulimia while I’m growing up. I’m just too ashamed.

OP posts:
HangingRoundInABofAlorsStance · 27/02/2018 09:57

Can I be one of the first to send you a huge hug and say bloody well done for getting out and being where you are now. Monica Lewinsky said Shame sticks like tar. You yourself have nothing to be ashamed of. You were a child and your upbringing and exposure to violence is on them, not you.

HangingRoundInABofAlorsStance · 27/02/2018 09:59

If you are scared of repeating old patterns please find a therapist to talk it through with. Also, minimal contact with family who are clearly still toxic and stop bailing them out, they're adults.

MrPan · 27/02/2018 10:08

I have this quite a bit with MrsPan. I know a bit of her upbringing and how everything was closed for the rest of the world. No visitors and no friends.
She still feels shame and occasionally expresses it.
But like you she was a child with no power. You aren't responsible for other people's decisions.

She adores my family and they think she is the bee's knees. It's the stability and love we have that she loves. She didn't have that.

Shame should be the result of guilt and you have none of that.

RandomMess · 27/02/2018 10:11

Thankstalk to your DH talk to a therapist you need some help and support.

PippinOrange · 27/02/2018 10:18

Agree with Hanging the shame is theirs, you were a child and had no choice. Meanwhile, now you are an adult please don't give your family any money. They really don't deserve it and it will fulfill the maxim of "throwing good after bad". Perhaps you should tell someone (a good therapist?) about your feelings, it might help.

Maybeicanhelp · 27/02/2018 10:23

OP, I had a similar upbringing. MrPan explains it so eloquently. For many years I compartmentalised my old life. The stability I have with DH and DCs has saved me. Flowers for you.

hellsbellsmelons · 27/02/2018 13:26

Well done OP.
You worked hard and you now have the life you wanted.
But please stop giving your family money.
They don't appreciate it and they don't deserve it.

I think if your DH is as good as you think he is, he might want to hear about your past and how you worked to overcome it all.
It's something you should be very proud of and I think he will be proud of you too.
You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
You've done so much and come so far.
Be proud. Give yourself a good pat on the back for what you have achieved.
And as others have said, maybe find a good therapist to talk all this through with.
It may help you more than you can imagine.

SeaEagleFeather · 27/02/2018 15:47

They are quick to take and are open to financial favour but are scathing of me. It hurts.

Could it be that they are aware at some deep level that you have built a far better life for yourself than they were able to themselves, and possibly feel secretly bad about themselves becuase of that?

I'm not going to say don't give them money, but when/if you do, don't expect it to buy love and their stability. That horse has bolted long ago. If you give to them, don't give more than you can afford and discuss it with your husband first. It probably isn't just money they're after, they've probably got a lot of complex emotions around being given it by you. Don't give huge amounts either; it won't do them any good because it will increase their complicated feelings of being inadequate/ashamed themselves/resentful and they could become more entitled, which will only end in a lot more tears further down the line. Either they will drain you (and your son and husband) dry or you will have to say No to them, which will create a huge backlash.

I too think you've done amazingly. A good therapist you click with might help you a great deal.

something2say · 27/02/2018 15:47

I agree that talking about it reallt openly much more often to sympathetic listeners is the thing to do.

When I worked in the field, I'd see people who would crumble like you are doing, as a result of the safety. Pure and simple. They'd passed out of the peril and are now safe enough to examine what the hell went on....and what it was like living through it.

Just do more of that.

I know plenty of people like your family, clients I've seen mostly. They take no action and then wonder why their world falls about their ears.

I'd say, compassion towards yourself for what you grew up with and how far you've come, plus limits with your family. They pose you a risk and it's alright to say that. You are not above your station in doing so, you are not acting above them, you are stating how it is. Chaos is often created by peop,e and they don't like to hear it.

Huge hugs xxxx

Enuffsenuffsenuff · 27/02/2018 15:52

You sound bloody amazing OP. You've achieved so much with hard work and determination and it sounds like you totally deserve to have a nice life now.

You aren't your past. You deserved better than you got from your family, but their mistakes aren't yours and you should feel SO proud at what you have achieved.

Dissimilitude · 27/02/2018 16:11

I had a similar sense of family shame, particularly around my mother. Took me a long time to overcome it, and to learn that her shame wasn't mine.

What really comes through to me from your post is how sorry you feel for your younger self, and rightly so. I feel similarly when I think back to the child I was - that no child should have to feel that level of insecurity.

You sound genuinely admirable.

mrsBeverleyGoldberg · 27/02/2018 16:16

Read Toxic Parents. What you are describing is the shame felt by an abused child. Lessen your contact with them and get some therapy.
You are stronger than you think to have survived that place and begun to realise what was wrong with your parents.

Bluebelle38 · 27/02/2018 16:49

Many parts of your story echo mine. Grew up in poverty, not violence but mother with mental health issues. In and out of psych wards.

I just want you to mot feel alone with your thoughts. I feel them too. I rarely brought friends home and grew up feeling so inadequate with lie self esteem.

Lots of bad relationships, but finally in a good one with a lovely man.

I've grown to accept the past was what it was. Also, I am my own person and not an extension of my family.

I also recommend Toxic Parents and talking to a counsellor. Our childhoods have such an influence on the people we become. You did well to change your circumstances and you are not a bad person to feel as you do. I understand your pain xx

FizzWizzTizz · 28/02/2018 19:11

I had a similar upbringing. Parents were separated. Poverty, bad money management, chaotic. Had to go to lots of trouble to hide reality from outsiders. If was OK for me as a kid to live it, but not for others to find out. Lots of shame. Extended family who when i got a bit older anc got a reasonable job would be quick to criticise any attempt to take pride in myself - egg making an effort with appearance or doing anything nice. Has taken until my mid 30s to realise how badly it has affected my self esteem. Being told that we weren't like others - they were better than us, really dented my sense of self. Looking back the better people were just ordinary folk - not fancy at all. I've had to distance myself to prevent the toxic behaviour. See family a few times a year but if I get them get too close they see me as fair game for criticism and labelling me as a snob because I work hard, have bought a little house and have found some self esteem and self pride.

Bluebelle38 · 28/02/2018 21:35

You should be proud of yourself fizzwizz x

nursy1 · 28/02/2018 21:56

I have a good friend with a similar background. Alcoholic violent Dad and weak enabling Mum. It galvanised her to do very well for herself as School was the place she preferred.
It didn’t work that way for her siblings though and she was giving them guilt money. After many heart to hearts she decided helping each twice was enough. Once willingly and afterwards ( because everyone deserves a second chance) with a warning there would be no more.
If you have a family of your own OP they are your priority. Unless you are fabulously wealthy you still need to ensure your own family’s future which takes more money than you might think now. I’m sure if you set some kind of “rule” like this you will strike the right balance between helping your family and not being taken advantage of. Personally I wouldn’t be helping your parents at all. They have had their chances.
As others have suggested get some therapy for reconciliation with the past.
You are lucky to have supportive in law family and husband and you are a star for getting to where you are from where you started. I was inspired by my friends story and I’m inspired by yours.

Risen · 28/02/2018 22:22

Wow, this thread has made me quite emotional Sad

Op, you are amazing. And there are so many people like you out there! You should not feel bad through the actions of others who are meant to protect you.

MrsElvis · 28/02/2018 22:32

If you can't talk try writing down a bit like this post... write a letter that you don't need to show DH unless you want to

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