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Dealing with bereaved dm

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Cheesefolk · 12/02/2018 23:53

Hello, have nc'ed for this as certain people I know come on here.

Lovely df sadly died last year.
Dm lives 60 miles away. She's in her 70s and has a significant disability, but one which does not cause her pain and which is stable.

She has a relatively active social life (1-2 activities per day) and has a decent amount of hours of social services support in her home.

However, she gets lonely in the evenings - she is an extrovert in the truest sense of the word and she 'needs' people to be with her in a way I don't quite understand, as an introvert myself.

I currently spend two days a week with her (I either go to her or she comes to us) and often dh will spend a separate evening a week with her to provide extra support. Her friend stays over 1-2 weekends per month. And as I said, she has daily activities and socialising, so there is never a day when she is home alone. She also receives bereavement counselling. She has a dog. She speaks to me at least half an hour each weekday evening and phones her friend for half an hour each day.

However, what she has is not enough. She often complains of being lonely and is desperate to live as part of a family. She gets upset when she hears her neighbours, who are a couple, laughing together. Every time I am about to leave her house, she begs me not to go.

This is where I am stuck. I would love to be able to move to her village and be around more. We just can't afford it - it would take another £600 a month we haven't got. Things are already pretty tight for us at the end of the month. Also, we will soon have school ties to our area.

Dm would love to move in with us but we live in a tiny three bed semi with two small kids. There just isn't the room. We don' t have the money to move anywhere larger in our own area. Plus she is a massive hoarder, to the extent I was barely able to fit my pregnancy bump through her bedroom door as there's so much stuff pushing against the door. Her and my dad have always had a tendency to hoard, and while I am no minimalist, I cannot cope with the state she would inevitably make of my house. There is no room for food prep in her house, except the hob (balancing plates), and barely space on the family size table for one person to put down a plate. She is not keen on cleaning, although she is able to clean. I grew up thinking the hoarding was normal and don't want the same for my children.

She could move closer to us without moving in but it would mean leaving a lot behind. Our area is not as nice as hers and services are poorer. She would have a limited social network. Also, she has a council house and our area doesn't have council properties, just HA, so concerns about how that would work. Df counselled her strongly about giving up her tenancy. I think he hoped me, dh and kids would somehow move into their two-bedroom bungalow when he'd gone...!

I really feel stuck here and burdened down with guilt. Obviously I want my mum to be happy but I am in a position where there's not much I can do.

The other thing that is causing me lots of worry is that my eldest starts school in Sept, which will mean I can't come and stay with dm as often. She can still come and stay with us each week but I'm worried as she gets older, this will be a burden she won't be able to cope with. If I could, I would homeschool so we could still go to see dm as frequently but I need to work. I feel like the start of school has doomed us all. Dm hasn't mentioned September yet, but when she realises I won't be there as much, she will not be happy.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? I feel like I'm the only person in the world to live so far from a bereaved dm but this can't be the case. How do people cope? I find the tears really hard to deal with. She has mentioned she sees her life as pointless, though she is not planning to take steps to end it. I feel so sad. I don't want her to be unhappy but I don't know what to do.

Sorry for the long post.

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Sparkles1992 · 13/02/2018 00:51

I lost my nan last month and she felt lonely spending 3 years without my grandad esp of an evening even though we live around the corner, took her out every week for lunch and my sister picked her up every day to play with her great grandkids and my mum visited every single day and spoke to us all in the phone daily. She was happy but still lonely without my grandad, I think when they have lost their partner who they have spent all their days with, they will always feel lonely unless you physically spend 24/7 with her, impossible. It's heart breaking but I don't think there is a solution, they are just heartbroken and missing their husbands it's a cruel world. You sound like you are doing your best Flowers sorry I don't have advice but understood you feeling helpless

WasWildatHeart · 13/02/2018 00:56

Don’t know what the best thing is but think you are already doing way more than many would. My DF has been on his own for three years and we decided from the start not to try fill the huge void my DM left. He’s done very well, building a weekly routine. He does get lonely, especially at weekends but never complains. Healthy at 88y he is a living example of the 5 Ways to Wellbeing. Might be worth looking this up for your mum and helping her identify elements she can build on.

Somerville · 13/02/2018 01:02

You're a great daughter, OP. Flowers

Having experienced the heartbreak and loneliness of being widowed, the evenings are definitely the worst. (And I say that as in introvert.) Caring and selfless family and friends are how I survived, I reckon.
But the hoarding/geographical issues are all legitimate reasons not to move closer or live together.
It might be worth offering her the option of help to move closer to you?
But aside from that, I think the best use of your time would be to see if you can help her to find some ways to fill evenings.
FaceTime/Skype?
Befriending scheme locally, to get visits from someone?
New hobby she can fill some time with?

Also, reach out to any distant relatives/old friends to make sure people phoning her lots. After first year of loss, people start to forget.

Redglitter · 13/02/2018 01:05

It might sound d heartless but she's going to sadly have to get used to being alone. My mum is in a similar situation and finds evenings long but as time has gone on its got easier. You can't & shouldn't adapt your life to suit hers. You can't sustain the level of time you're giving her at the moment. Keep encouraging her to go out & socialise. Unfortunately like many people in her situation her life has changed to something she wouldn't have chosen but she needs to adapt to that too.

Its a horrible situation to be in

Crunched · 13/02/2018 01:05

You could be describing my MIL 10 years ago when FIL died. As Sparkles1992 points out, this situation is pretty inevitable and is a shitty part of growing old.
My MIL still hates long dark evenings and weekends if she hasn’t organised seeing someone. However she now says that for 18 months after being widowed, she was basically suffering PTSD (FIL died suddenly) and was not operating rationally.
If we had uprooted our family life or she had moved, it would have created other issues as it sounds like it would in your case also.
I would continue what you are doing, September is still a while away, and remind her, when relevant, that your DF hoped she would stay in the home they shared.
You sound like a really caring person but sometimes life is difficult.

ohtheholidays · 13/02/2018 01:21

First of your DM is very very lucky to have such a lovely Daughter and Son-In-Law she really is!

We lost my Dmum before my Dad and my Dad was in very bad health already so my Brother moved in with him bless him(he was still married and had grown up children of his own)and we would go round usually once a week and me and my DH would help tidy the house(my Brother is ill and disabled as well)and I would take some homemade meals for them as well.

My parents only lived 20 minutes from us and it was hard enough then finding the time for the extra cleaning and cooking.

It sounds like you really are stuck between a rock and a hard place,is there any other family around?Another sibling or Sister/Brother/SIL/BIL of your Mum's that could help out at all or it might be along shot but does your Mum have any widowed friends that she's very close to?If she has maybe something like a home swap,your Mum stays with them for a couple of nights a week and then they stay with your Mum for a couple of nights a week,it would mean sorting out the hoarding though which I know it's easy.

I hope you find a soloution and please try not to feel guilty(not easy I know)you and your DH really are doing alot more than lots of other people would do. Flowers

Sprinklestar · 13/02/2018 01:30

You sound like a lovely person, OP. But your own nuclear family needs to take priority now. You really can’t homeschool your DC in order to spend time with your DM, however much she might want this. That’s just not fair on anyone. Your DM could move closer to you if she wanted to but if she doesn’t, she can’t expect your life to revolve around her. As a PP said, sadly this is inevitable. One partner is usually left behind. It’s important that you’re not expected to fill the void your DF’s death has created for her. No one can do this. You are doing a great job.

Cricrichan · 13/02/2018 10:16

You are an angel and doing lots already. But it shouldn't be at the cost of your own family. She's got a full life and you see her and that's just the way it is . Unless she can persuade another widow to move in with her but with her hoarding and low ckeanibg standards that's going to be difficult.

user1493413286 · 13/02/2018 11:06

Wow you do an awful lot particularly with a young family! Your DM has a very full life social life compared to other people and I’m sorry to sound harsh but she needs to readjust to how her life is now.
When my mother was widowed I lived a similar distance away and hated saying goodbye at the end of a visit but my mum didn’t want us to be calling constantly etc as she knew she had to get used to how things were. It’s very hard but unfortunately that is how life is.

Yogagirl123 · 13/02/2018 11:24

So sorry you have lost your DF, OP. Flowers

It must tug on your heart strings very much. Many elderly people experience loneliness to some degree. I agree with PP’s you need to put your families needs first.

It sounds like your mum is not coping, do you think perhaps a move into sheltered housing may benefit her? Smaller home, easier to keep clean and look after. More company as most complex’s have a communal lounge so there’s an opportunity to make friend etc.

If she wants to stay in her home could SS help or friends etc to clear it to make her environment better.

It’s a lot to take on OP when you are managing your own grief and a young family. Good luck and I hope things improve soon for you and your DM.

Snowydaysarehere · 13/02/2018 11:29

Speak to the local fire brigade about the hoarding, my exfil goes around elderly housing and speaks to them about fire safety. Her home may not be safe as it is - one less thing for you to worry about if she had a clear out. Speak to the council about befriending schemes maybe.

ZaZathecat · 13/02/2018 11:48

I was also going to suggest sheltered housing for your DM, if she's willing to move. As a pp said, there is usually a communal lounge, and often organised activities too. And as most of the residents would be in a similar position some may also welcome company in the evening.
I would suggest calling the local authority housing dept to see what's available and how to go about it

And by the way, as others have said, your are already going above and beyond so don't beat yourself up or turn your own life upside down to try to solve your dm's problem. Compared to 1000s she has a fabulous social life.

InTheB3d · 13/02/2018 14:01

Sorry for your loss. It takes time and each person grieves differently. Your DM is very lucky that you live close and that she already has friends and groups that she attends. Instead of visiting so often can you phone instead. Can you find a new hobby that she can do in the evening s ?. You need to have your own family life too, so you need to start sending a clear message. Giving up work and home schooling are major decisions !. You are already doing a great deal, but it is probably not sustainable over a long time. Suggest read the section 'elderly parents'

Cheesefolk · 13/02/2018 20:56

Thanks everyone, really appreciate your kindness and advice.

Unfortunately I'm an only child, which doesn't make things easier. The pressure is all on me and dh!

Dm has a retired brother and sister in law who live nearby but they are pretty useless and offered zero support/visits the entire four years df was ill. They ring but no offer of going round for a cuppa or anything - they're just completely self-absorbed.
Dm does have hobbies she can do in the evening such as knitting and reading, but it just doesn't seem to be enough for her.
Amazingly she does have a tolerant enough friend who will stay over now and then amidst the mess!

I am concerned about the fire risk. Dh and I have previously done massive clear outs for her and df but stuff just keeps coming back and it's worse than ever at the moment. The problem is it's all 'useful' stuff, mainly clothes (not stockpiling empty cereal packets or something) so she just argues that she will use it all at some point, and that the house is to blame for being too small. I am surprised really that her social services support people haven't said more to her but I'm not sure they've seen the bedrooms, which are the worst. It feeks like it's beyond my power to sort out, but it does make her miserable, she's always losing things.

There are pieces of furniture which could be got rid of and decorating/gardening that needs doing but she just doesn't trust/want to pay for others to sort these things, even though she could afford it - she'd rather wait for dh and I to sort it as we're family. Family means so much to her, and whilst it obviously means something to me, there's just not enough of dh and I to go round, especially at a distance.

Just had home movies on and one unexpectedly popped up of df's birthday 😢

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Cheesefolk · 13/02/2018 21:19

Thanks for the sheltered housing suggestions also. I wonder what would happen re the hoarding in such a situation!

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