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Do I owe it to him?

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Ksyusha · 12/02/2018 01:01

Good day everyone! Looking for some unbiased opinions so would appreciate any thoughts...
I have separated from my husband about 4 months ago. We got married young and quickly (have been dating for only about 5 months), stayed married for a long time (would have been 19 years tomorrow) and have 3 children (17, 15 and 7).
As any couple who stayed together long enough we had the good, the bad and the ugly... We have lived through kids infancy, immigration, his affairs (two that I know about), issues with extended family, difficult financial times etc.
He is a difficult person. Not abusive, not controlling, not lazy but quite arrogant, tactless, not respecting of others (including his own mother), not the greatest dad and with mild issues with alcohol. I was an easy wife, reasonable, easy going and not demanding, although we have had sex problems since our first child was born. My biggest mistake was keeping my dissatisfaction and unhappiness to myself, not discussing it with him (or anybody else for that matter). Over the years, we have become very distant and isolated, barely any conversation beyond kids/plans for the day, minimal physical contact, no cuddling/kissing, rare and not really satisfying sex. Only once (about 7 years ago) we had an honest conversation about our relationships and I was very clear saying that there is barely anything left to save and fight for. Back then he asked for another chance and we agreed to wait for 6 months and see how things are going. Time passed by but we never talked about it again. I was always too reserved and quiet and he was always perfectly fine with it.
The separation was my initiative. I have realized long time ago that I do not love or respect my husband but had no guts to leave. Last summer something clicked and I finally admitted to myself that I am not happy and if I don’t do something I will never be happy again, so I made the decision, talked to my husband and left two weeks later. He was asking me to stay and work on the relationships but I did not want to and was not willing to make an effort and force myself.
Now that some time has passed and my new life is somewhat settled I started to second guess if I had to try to work on things and get our family back.
If I’m honest, I do not think I miss him at all. I miss the idea of having a loving husband and stable relationship, feel sad because “live happily ever after” dream has not happened but that’s about it. Nothing has drastically changed in my life, I used to feel lonely and I still do. Talked to older kids today and they seem to have the same feeling-nothing really changed, dad has never really played a big role in their lives and it is still the case, they just do not see him every day. Youngest child seem to be the most affected by the separation but he seems to be coping fine, no huge issues with him so far.
Now I’m trying to decide if I owe my husband to try all over again?
On one hand, I do not feel like I need it and not even sure I want it, but on the other hand, we share long history together, I made the decision unilaterally and called it quits without trying... Without going to the counseling, without much talking and discussions, without making an effort to reinstate good relationships (aside from trying to pull through all these years, hoping that it’s just a phase and everything would pass).
I understand that the decision is mine to make, but I would be really interested to know what other people think about trying all over again not because the feelings are still there but because I feel that I owe him this as a last favor...
Thank you and I’m sorry for the long post Smile

OP posts:
Ksyusha · 12/02/2018 03:49

BoomBoomsCousin- No, I do not want to be in a relationship where I am loved but do not love back. But maybe if I know that I am truly loved, my feelings can grow and eventually I will love him?
“Kids front” was meh. He has invited older kids for dinner several times (6-7probably) and takes the yongest for a day on a weekend (sat evening to sun evening). In addition to that, he sees the youngest for a couple of hours every evening. Kid goes to his place after school every day as my MIL lives with my ex and can keep an eye on the kid while I’m at work. As I said, he is not the most involved dad so at this point older kids are not really interested in spending more time with him.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 12/02/2018 03:54

Although I found one for fun a few months after the separation :o

Good for you!

Ksyusha · 12/02/2018 04:12

Italiangreyhound- My biggest mistake was keeping my dissatisfaction and unhappiness to myself, not discussing it with him (or anybody else for that matter). -What exactly jumps out?
I think that I do not feel extremely happy because the situation is still sad, and it’s a bit scary to be a single mom of 3 especially considering that I have never been alone and never lived alone. Well, I’m not truly alone but I’m the only adult in the house :)
Realization that I do not want to stay single forever and understanding that I do not know if I can find love and built trusting and close relationships with someone else do not really add much happiness either :)
I do not think I truly want to get back together with him. But I also do not know if I am doing the right thing just tossing out 20 years of my life.

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Ksyusha · 12/02/2018 04:18

princesssparkle1 - Look forward not back yes, I do owe that to me.
As for the kids - two oldest are girls, they are definitely getting a life lesson here... I just want it to be the correct one. Thank you!

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BoomBoomsCousin · 12/02/2018 04:53

So the evidence is that his idea of demonstrating his love is a bit “meh”? He doesn’t have much of a relationship with them and he doesn’t do much to now to build one?

What about his idea of demonstrating this love he says he has for you? Maybe there is stuff he’s done or said that you haven’t mentioned here. Has he given you any indication that if you went back life with him would actually be different?

If you did decide to give him a chance it seems like it would be more reasonable to do it from a position of being separated and him wooing you back, rather than you uprooting your life again to make him comfortable before you know it is actually what you want. But unless there is stuff you haven’t mentioned here it seems like a bit of a lost cause.

Angelf1sh · 12/02/2018 05:53

No.

Nellia · 12/02/2018 06:18

Have you ssked yourself what you oee you.
5 years from now what your life could look like as a single woman who does not have to stay home with the kids now but can do and go where she wants. Does that look better to you than life as his wife.
If so pursue that goal if not what goal will you be following with him doesore of the same without the kids in between look good to you?

princesssparkle1 · 12/02/2018 06:19

- two oldest are girls, they are definitely getting a life lesson here

So ..... if they were in the same situation, what would you want for them? What do you want to do so that they can see how life can work.

Claydermansgirl · 12/02/2018 07:49

You say you want to give him a chance to show he loves you but if he hasnt done that in 19 years there is no chance he will ever do it. Can you remember how you felt at your worst? Could you even bear that again?

Springtrolls · 12/02/2018 07:54

He’s had far too many chances from you. You owe him nothing.

EllaHen · 12/02/2018 08:20

Your op is full of sadness and dissatisfaction. Please don't go back to that.

Twenty years of him showing you that you are unimportant. Why, exactly, do you think you owe him? He's an arrogant sod alright.

Bluntness100 · 12/02/2018 08:25

I think you've already given it a shot. For Far too long, you've already forgiven two affairs. There is no real love between you. Don't fall for thr sunken costs fallacy, you will not be chucking away thr last twenty years, you'll be chucking away the next twenty.

SandyY2K · 12/02/2018 08:26

he still loves me a lot and that he can’t see him with another woman

Unless he's having an affair.

Italiangreyhound · 12/02/2018 09:56

"What exactly jumps out?" I think the fact you were not actively agitating for change. Maybe if you had things would have been different so maybe things could be different now. However, I am not blaming you! It doesn't sound like you do love him very much, and I don't blame you at all.

So you think if you were more demanding/upfront he could change?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 12/02/2018 11:59

You say you want to give him a chance to show he loves you

Well, he's had plenty of time to do that and he's shagged around behind your back. Sorry to be so blunt but I think you're just having a wobble. You've already done the toughest bit which is to leave.

You don't owe him anything.

You do owe yourself some kindness and a happy life with your DC.

I think giving it another try would be the worst decision possible at this point, it will reinforce that he is able to continue behaving as he did before and that you will accept it.

Stay strong OP, you can do so much better than him. Been single is better than settling for a cheater! Should your daughters how strong you can be and how much respect you have for yourself.

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